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March for Science, Dublin, 22/04

  • 19-04-2017 02:38PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭


    News report with more details here: it starts 2PM at the Grand Canal Square.
    I'm tempted to go along with a sign that says "DOUN WIV SHKOOL" or "I Have No Idea What I'm Doing Here". :pac:

    That report makes it sound a bit like it's about Climate Change in particular, which it's not - though they are connected, of course. Anyone else up for this?

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Most of my colleagues, academics, are planning to go to the one where I live.. not sure I'll go myself, not quite certain what it can achieve. Would I take a job in the US in environmental science at the moment though? No, heard nothing good from there since Trump took over, lots of uncertainty and negativity over funding and research directions


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 281 ✭✭skankkuvhima


    It this another march just for slagging of Trump again?


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    I probably should be, but I have to confess I'm pretty ignorant as to the aims of the march

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    The global scientific community has come together to agree that on 22 April, the same as Earth Day, there will be a March for Science to protest against potential threats from US president Donald Trump.
    Sounds less like a march for science than a march against Trump

    I might go.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    biko wrote: »
    Sounds less like a march for science than a march against Trump.

    You can turn it into an antiTrump march if you like, but way to undermine it's purpose!

    Many a good idea these days gets hijacked by the usual loons and people are then too afraid to challenge them. The Washington march for science cause quite a bit of controversy after is descended into intersectional political infighting about how lacking in diversity or failing to address LGBTQ issues the march.

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/apr/10/bill-nyes-march-for-science-role-helps-stir-politi/

    Zuleyka Zevallos, a sociologist and adjunct research fellow with Swinburne University in Melbourne, Australia, chronicled the march’s heated back-and-forth over diversity, which included four rewritten diversity statements as organizers reacted to criticism from both sides.


    In a Jan. 28 tweet, the March for Science posted a tweet saying “colonization, racism, immigration, native rights, sexism, ableism, queer-, trans-, intersex-phobia, & econ justice are scientific issues,†but later removed it, Ms. Zevallos reported.


    Among those who criticized the post was Harvard professor Steven Pinker, who accused organizers of compromising its goals with “anti-science PC/identity politics/hard-left rhetoric.â€
    “The constant flip-flops on its diversity stance suggest that, at best, the organizers are undecided or lack the skills on how to manage inclusion issues,†Ms. Zevallos said in a March 14 post on Latino Rebels. “At worst, it gives the unfortunate impression that they have a wavering commitment to diversity, one which bends to the shifts of public pressure.â€
    At the heart of the debate is that organizers are conflating science, which is a method, with a host of public policy issues, said Mr. Smith.
    “The problem now is that many who claim to be about science are really about social policy and ideology,†he said, “which are not the same things at all.â€


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    biko wrote: »
    Sounds less like a march for science than a march against Trump
    Maybe Trump and those he's appointed, as well as the Congress that approved the appointments. Such as the new chief of the Environmental Protection gency, Scott Pruitt, who doesn't believe CO₂ levels contribute to global warming.

    It's not just about global warming - we're talking about an apparent anti-science attitude that favours certain big industries such as oil and coal, regardless of what he actually believes, and there are many such others in the new administration.

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    I can see how US scientists may be affected by a change in the government administration.
    So what are scientists in Ireland marching for? Support with their US peers in case Trump turn out to defund them?

    If this gets hijacked by climate lobby then you will split this down along those lines and tbh you will risk to make science political.

    This is one person's reasons
    https://sciencemarchie.wordpress.com/2017/04/13/why-i-am-marching-caitriona-buggle/
    So what is at stake if the current political trend of condemning science and scientific evidence continues?
    To prevent this from ever happening we must all unite to support and celebrate science as a focal point within our societies and cultures.
    In my humble opinion there is zero threat against science in Europe.
    The threat against science in America is from the Christian loonies so for me it would be better with a March for Science and Reason against religion.

    This is my I may go, to show my support with science over religious nuts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Oh, I hope the identity politics / social justice crowd don't muscle in on this march. It's supposed to be about science, innit?

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    biko wrote: »
    The threat against science in America is from the Christian loonies so for me it would be better with a March for Science and Reason against religion.

    This is my I may go, to show my support with science over religious nuts.

    So why March in Europe where quite often religion and science go hand in hand.


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    biko wrote: »
    I can see how US scientists may be affected by a change in the government administration.
    So what are scientists in Ireland marching for? Support with their US peers in case Trump turn out to defund them?

    If this gets hijacked by climate lobby then you will split this down along those lines and tbh you will risk to make science political.

    This is one person's reasons
    https://sciencemarchie.wordpress.com/2017/04/13/why-i-am-marching-caitriona-buggle/

    In my humble opinion there is zero threat against science in Europe.
    The threat against science in America is from the Christian loonies so for me it would be better with a March for Science and Reason against religion.

    This is my I may go, to show my support with science over religious nuts.

    The science community is based on internationalism though, and the US is at the moment probably the best and biggest country in the world for science, any changes that affect that will have a knock-on effect on the rest of the community


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    My colleagues and I are marching to represent the Eugenics Society of Ireland.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Wonder which part of the march Antifa will attack?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    Laboratory technicians can stay on campus.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,626 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Your Face wrote: »
    My colleagues and I are marching to represent the Eugenics Society of Ireland.

    Your presence will no doubt provide a fine argument for eugenics


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,423 ✭✭✭✭Outlaw Pete


    I'll be there.... just getting my banner ready.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,275 ✭✭✭Your Face


    Your presence will no doubt provide a fine argument for eugenics

    Whoosh


  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Your presence will no doubt provide a fine argument for eugenics

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  • Posts: 2,032 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    OP is a middle class tw*t

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,942 ✭✭✭topper75


    biko wrote: »
    Sounds less like a march for science than a march against Trump

    I might go.


    Trump has been known to change his mind when people marched against him.

    Well.

    Once.

    In some crusty crank's wild dream.

    But hey.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    cisk wrote: »
    OP is a middle class tw*t
    Middle class is a bad thing? From that lot it sounds like a badge of honour that shows me their ignorance of history and economics. Let me Google "class dynamics" and see what I can dredge up ... :rolleyes:

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 558 ✭✭✭Biggest lickspittle on boardz


    In a Jan. 28 tweet, the March for Science posted a tweet saying colonization, racism, immigration, native rights, sexism, ableism, queer-, trans-, intersex-phobia, & econ justice are scientific issues, but later removed it, Ms. Zevallos reported.


    So in other words.......complete and utter bollocks from the social justice warriors pretending to care about science. God help us if this is the standard of scientists for the future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    OK, I Googled "class dynamics", and didn't actually find anything terribly offensive to me ... but neither did I find anything to make me give a hoot about "class dynamics" today, since we're talking about Science, and Science doesn't give a hoot about your class. It's a bit like Reality in that respect. There are far greater problems facing the people of the world than your identity politics. :o

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,711 ✭✭✭stimpson


    I'll be there.... just getting my banner ready.


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    I'll counter with this one:

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    bnt wrote: »
    News report with more details here: it starts 2PM at the Grand Canal Square.
    I'm tempted to go along with a sign that says "DOUN WIV SHKOOL" or "I Have No Idea What I'm Doing Here". :pac:

    That report makes it sound a bit like it's about Climate Change in particular, which it's not - though they are connected, of course. Anyone else up for this?

    Yes. I will be there with my "Wenger Out" placard.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    if there is a march to keep SJW's out of science Ill be there, its too late for some but there is still hope before its too late, I thought I'd heard it all but decolonising science takes the biscuit :confused:

    A belief in gender identity involves a level of faith as there is nothing tangible to prove its existence which, as something divorced from the physical body, is similar to the idea of a soul. - Colette Colfer



  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 99,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    Is there any peer reviewed research to show they are effective ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Is there any peer reviewed research to show they are effective ?
    You have to run the experiment first, y'know ...

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,245 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    This piece on the RTÉ website is pretty good. This is not about Trump specifically: he's only the latest reflection of a long-running anti-science agenda, and not just in the USA. It's not just about nuns getting control of a state-funded maternity hospital. It's not just about climate change denial in the face of tangible evidence.

    In my view it's about the wilful ignorance of the real world in favour of financial gain (against which politics and religion are mere tools). Look at the world and you see the impact of stupidity in everything that's going wrong - war famine, pestilence, we're doing it to ourselves because we can't see past our own selfish, short-term interests. It's about the pressing global need for everyone to be smarter about everything. :cool:

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,570 ✭✭✭Ulysses Gaze


    silverharp wrote: »
    if there is a march to keep SJW's out of science Ill be there, its too late for some but there is still hope before its too late, I thought I'd heard it all but decolonising science takes the biscuit :confused:


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