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CurryFlavoured · 12-04-2017 09:22AM

McCarthy, McCaffrey, Scully, COS, Cooper, Lowndes. Some selection of half backs. Philly basically plays like a half back too, I think someone mentioned moving him out and putting COS in the full back line. Think we miss Rory O'Carroll a little bit but then again any team would, thought he was a fantastic defender. Our best man marker by a good way.

DDC1990 · 12-04-2017 09:26AM

Ted111 wrote:

Was that down to fitness/work rate alone or is it a tactical/player positioning issue?

I think Kerry winning the breaking ball was a desire and hunger thing. Look at what happened in the closing few minutes when the chips were down. Dublin started to win the 50/50's (all except one which Gavin Crowley won to set up Sheahan's score). The ball was heading over the sideline on 3 occasions but a Kerry player broke their bollox to keep the ball in play. We were hungrier on the day.

Those 50/50's might go another way come championship.

Ken Tucky · 12-04-2017 10:53AM

DDC1990 wrote: »

I think Kerry winning the breaking ball was a desire and hunger thing. Look at what happened in the closing few minutes when the chips were down. Dublin started to win the 50/50's (all except one which Gavin Crowley won to set up Sheahan's score). The ball was heading over the sideline on 3 occasions but a Kerry player broke their bollox to keep the ball in play. We were hungrier on the day.

Those 50/50's might go another way come championship.

To be honest i taught that was a stonewall free to Dublin from where i was in the ground. I am open to correction because i haven't seen it again. We were one point down at that stage and instead of attacking, Kerry were getting another score!

By the way, it matters little as Kerry were the better team and deserved winners.

copacetic · 12-04-2017 05:53PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Bastick is a huge loss. Much under-rated but did an awful lot of the trench work. Dublin are chasing games now when throwing in MDM. Need another option there beside Fenton as a starter. Reddin is good, but more a half forward perhaps than a mullocker in the centre.

Bastick was warming up pre game, can't think of how he would ever get on if not on Saturday. Reddin adds that scoring threat, and looks like he can improve, certainly was a rough enough afternoon and a bit unfair on him sending him to the wolves like that.

DoctaDee · 12-04-2017 06:06PM

copacetic wrote: »

Bastick was warming up pre game, can't think of how he would ever get on if not on Saturday. Reddin adds that scoring threat, and looks like he can improve, certainly was a rough enough afternoon and a bit unfair on him sending him to the wolves like that.

I'm led to believe that Reddin got the "it's now or never" chat from Dublin management at the start of the season - it was probably in that context that he was dropped in the deepend Sunday.

Stoner · 13-04-2017 12:33AM

DoctaDee wrote:

I'm led to believe that Reddin got the "it's now or never" chat from Dublin management at the start of the season - it was probably in that context that he was dropped in the deepend Sunday.

Sounds about right.

Stoner · 14-04-2017 09:46AM

CurryFlavoured wrote:

McCarthy, McCaffrey, Scully, COS, Cooper, Lowndes. Some selection of half backs. Philly basically plays like a half back too, I think someone mentioned moving him out and putting COS in the full back line. Think we miss Rory O'Carroll a little bit but then again any team would, thought he was a fantastic defender. Our best man marker by a good way.

TBH I've never been impressed with McMahon (or Cooper) when played in the half-back line.

Imo they are both tidy corner backs. I'd also argue that Scully is not a half-back either and he is a natural half-forward with very good attacking instincts with work to do on the defensive side.

The options at half-back for me are

O'Sullivan
McCaffery
McCarthy
Lowndes
Small

With good work done getting small ready last year and EL lining up this year.

Kilkenny ( does it very well but at a cost to the team)
Reddin (a developing option utility player)

Overall I'm not gone on turning forwards into defenders. Possibly because it's talking a bite or the bite from the forward line. I suspect Scully might have been played at HB as some sort of development plan

Slattsy · 14-04-2017 10:10AM

I've said it before, but I genuinely think Jack could make up into a very decent half forward.

Has Cian played regularly for club at Midfield?

corny · 14-04-2017 10:12AM

McMahon has been average as a defender for a while now. AOS roasted him last year in the drawn game and he hasn't been able to get close to any of the men he's been marking in the league.

He brings a huge amount to the table as all rounder but a touch tight corner back he isn't (Cooper is Stoner).

The roving up field has its drawbacks imo.

CurryFlavoured · 14-04-2017 11:01AM

corny wrote: »

McMahon has been average as a defender for a while now. AOS roasted him last year in the drawn game and he hasn't been able to get close to any of the men he's been marking in the league.

He brings a huge amount to the table as all rounder but a touch tight corner back he isn't (Cooper is Stoner).

The roving up field has its drawbacks imo.

He's not a traditional corner back who will pin down the marksman imo. Not an O'Se, Higgins, McGee etc. He is exactly like you said an all rounder, but in your fullback line I think you need ideally 2 men who's primary job and best quality is to man-mark a forward. Mick Fitz is that, Rory O'Carroll was certainly that. I don't think Philly is that and I don't think Cooper is that either tbh.

gormdubhgorm · 14-04-2017 12:37PM

Stoner wrote: »

Overall I'm not gone on turning forwards into defenders. Possibly because it's talking a bite or the bite from the forward line.

It didn't work out too badly with Paul Curran!

MayoAreMagic · 14-04-2017 12:47PM

corny wrote: »

McMahon has been average as a defender for a while now. AOS roasted him last year in the drawn game and he hasn't been able to get close to any of the men he's been marking in the league.

He brings a huge amount to the table as all rounder but a touch tight corner back he isn't (Cooper is Stoner).

The roving up field has its drawbacks imo.

Id agree, he is going up the field a bit too regularly. It is becoming predictable, plus he isn't playing well enough to be complicating his role like that. Also, there is a bit of ego going on too - they don't need him kicking points up there. It has the hallmarks of something that could catch you out on the big day, and Kerry in particular, look for those things a lot.

MayoAreMuck · 14-04-2017 12:53PM

As said by a few, I'd rather Philly concentrated on defending. He seems more focused on getting a score a game at present, not saying he should not venture forward but not so much, we have a half back line that can do that in spades. Our half forward line need to focus on the defending side of their game to, look at Keegan's goal last year.

Stoner · 14-04-2017 01:38PM

gormdubhgorm wrote:

It didn't work out too badly with Paul Curran!

Don't mention Mickey Linden

!!!!

Stoner · 14-04-2017 01:47PM

Anyone going to make the under 21 game , it's not working out for me unfortunately.

Donegal would be clear favourites with such a splatter of seniors on the team.
Midfield again will be a struggle. A win would be fantastic it can be unpredictable at that level

Stoner · 14-04-2017 02:00PM

CurryFlavoured wrote:

He's not a traditional corner back who will pin down the marksman imo. Not an O'Se, Higgins, McGee etc. He is exactly like you said an all rounder, but in your fullback line I think you need ideally 2 men who's primary job and best quality is to man-mark a forward. Mick Fitz is that, Rory O'Carroll was certainly that. I don't think Philly is that and I don't think Cooper is that either tbh.

True Cooper gets out infront of his man and does a decent job on the likes of James O'D and a very good job on Brian Hurley types.

I thought Daly was particularly sluggish last week one on one vs McCarthy you'd hope that the rusty stuff will go as serious training kicks in.

David Byrne added going forward to his game last year and I'd prefer it if he didn't too.

ProudDUB · 14-04-2017 03:12PM

So Fenton has only average ball handling skills and Philly's ego is now a problem? Isn't it great that we have these Mayo bucks sharing such insightful, razor sharp analysis on our players ? :rolleyes:

MayoAreMagic · 14-04-2017 03:41PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

So Fenton has only average ball handling skills and Philly's ego is now a problem? Isn't it great that we have these Mayo bucks sharing such insightful, razor sharp analysis on our players ? :rolleyes:

Not ball handling skills no.
Re McMahon, well any defender who seems more interested on going up to kick a point in every game, even if they aren't playing well in their primary role, probably falls into that bracket. I don't see why where people are from really makes a difference on that front. It's a bit sad that any time a bit of analysis breaks out, this sort of thing comes to the fore.

gormdubhgorm · 14-04-2017 04:15PM

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Not ball handling skills no.
Re McMahon, well any defender who seems more interested on going up to kick a point in every game, even if they aren't playing well in their primary role, probably falls into that bracket..

Philly was even tried in the forwards at one stage a few years back think it was O'Byrne cup?

It did not work out and experiment was quietly shelved.

I think the logic is that Philly likes running on the ball from deep.

Personally I think he is a good weapon to have as he more often then not pops up with a sore or two.

It is up to the other players to cover the gap philly leaves when he is bombing up the pitch.

It is especially effective against packed defensive set ups as he will get loads of ball that way.

gormdubhgorm · 14-04-2017 04:17PM

ProudDUB wrote: »

So Fenton has only average ball handling skills and Philly's ego is now a problem? Isn't it great that we have these Mayo bucks sharing such insightful, razor sharp analysis on our players ? :rolleyes:

Let's be honest they would struggle to make the Mayo panel :rolleyes:

ProudDUB · 14-04-2017 04:52PM

gormdubhgorm wrote: »

Let's be honest they would struggle to make the Mayo panel :rolleyes:

Yep. Be lucky to even make the extended training panel, if you ask me.

Stoner · 14-04-2017 05:03PM

he's not from Mayo anyway.

Donal55 · 14-04-2017 05:05PM

Stoner wrote: »

he's not from Mayo anyway.

Who? Philly or MayoAreMagic

Stoner · 14-04-2017 05:06PM

Not so sure about Philly he has the Savage bit covered anyway

Prop Joe · 14-04-2017 08:48PM

Philly McMahon is one of the top defenders in the game,He would make a very good No.6 imo

EICVD · 14-04-2017 11:07PM

Stoner wrote: »

Anyone going to make the under 21 game , it's not working out for me unfortunately.

Donegal would be clear favourites with such a splatter of seniors on the team.
Midfield again will be a struggle. A win would be fantastic it can be unpredictable at that level

I'll be going myself. It'll be nice to enjoy a game for once when we're not expected to win.

Stoner · 14-04-2017 11:13PM

EICVD wrote:

I'll be going myself. It'll be nice to enjoy a game for once when we're not expected to win.

Just read the team unchanged since the last day.
It's possible

EICVD · 14-04-2017 11:25PM

Stoner wrote: »

Just read the team unchanged since the last day.
It's possible

3rd game for Donegal in 11 days (4th in 2 weeks for a few of them) quietly confident we might catch them on fitness.

Stoner · 15-04-2017 03:55PM

EICVD wrote:

3rd game for Donegal in 11 days (4th in 2 weeks for a few of them) quietly confident we might catch them on fitness.

Good call. Great result Howard had a great game

Bonniedog · 15-04-2017 04:06PM

Good performance. In fairness, Donegal were struggling stamina wise but good tactics from Farrell et al to exploit that. That was by far their best game so far and confidence will be high facing, most likely, the Kingdom in the final.

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