Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

14-04-2017 12:21PM

s.welstead wrote: »

13.8kWh/100km in this weather so probably looking at 15-16kWh in wet/winter months. Not bad but definitely will be shy of the hopeful 200-250km ranges in cooler months.

I got 15.3 Kwh/100 Kms over 207 Kms which matches closely the EPA results. Which would suggest more like 180 Kms to "empty"

A more efficient car absolutely but not really a 200 Km car in real life non hypermiling driving certainly not in the colder months. Perhaps in warmer weather.

But, the Ioniq charges so fast that it's not a huge deal as I said in my review of the Ioniq that you could cover 300 kms with maybe a 30 min fast charge, perhaps you might have to limit your speed a bit but it could be done a lot easier than in a 24 Kwh Leaf that's for sure.

Based on my experience the Ioniq is about 2-2.5 kwh/100 Kms more efficient than the Leaf.

I had averaged 16.1 Kwh/100 kms in the Ioniq at the turn off for work because of the poorer weather conditions, which I would have seen around 19 Kwh/100 Kms in the Leaf. I'm an experienced EV driver, wasn't going mad and wasn't crawling, 110 Kph most of 61 Kms to the turn off for work. That's not bad at all and by the time I finished the 207 Km drive had averaged 15.3 Kwh/100 kms mainly due to dryer roads and slower speeds, mainly C and D routes through Wicklow from Wicklow Town Through Baltinglass.

Taking the older non national routes is a good idea to boost range, the difference at 80-90 Kph is amazing. I find the older national routes to be a lot more pleasurable to drive when I'm not in a rush and I'm not going through towns at peak times, hitting school traffic etc.

14-04-2017 12:23PM

Would you take a 60 Kwh EV or an 30 Kwh Ev that could charge in 10 mins ?

Would you take the faster charging EV for more fast charging even if it were for a very short time ?

I'd rather a 60 Kwh Ev that could charge in 10 mins !

DrPhilG · 14-04-2017 12:28PM

I would prefer a higher range and longer charge times than less range and faster charging.

A 10 minute charge time isn't any use to you if a charger is broken, ICEd or has a queue.

Mope · 14-04-2017 12:33PM

As above. I'd rather have longer range even by 50km or so and then charge safely home or have a chance to reach other CP which is not ICEd

punisher5112 · 14-04-2017 12:35PM

DrPhilG wrote: »

I would prefer a higher range and longer charge times than less range and faster charging.

A 10 minute charge time isn't any use to you if a charger is broken, ICEd or has a queue.

Very easy fix. Start putting in EV stations and start getting away from fuel stations.

I couldn't believe it when I saw they put in a Texaco at new town mount Kennedy and the space it has taken.

Why can't we look over seas at how they are really changing and become greener at the same time.

14-04-2017 01:06PM

Well you see we're over a year behind the charger roll out due to the ESB not getting a decision as to whether they can have complete control over the network or not. That's over a year with no new chargers installed which puts us significantly behind.

Garages are not going to install chargers due to the expense and if they did you'd pay a high price to use them, which in itself isn't a huge deal unless you needed to use them daily as your only means of charging but there is no money to be made in it though there isn't a lot to be made from petrol or diesel either and the shop makes most of the income.

The other issue is power availability.

We're going to need 100 Kw + pretty soon, and if you had 6 chargers as you might 6 fuel pumps that's 600 Kw worth of juice which is significant.

I think we're going to need future charger sites built very close to high Kva networks and have more of these high power sources available.

liamog · 14-04-2017 01:07PM

It's true about the city driving, here's todays commute from Ongar to Docklands.

grogi · 14-04-2017 01:20PM

liamog wrote: »

It's true about the city driving, here's todays commute from Ongar to Docklands.

Those figures are absolutely fantastic...

14-04-2017 01:27PM

Good except for city driving you don't need 200 Km + range lol.

Unless of course you're only means of charging are public charge points.

Gumbo · 14-04-2017 01:50PM

That's fantastic.
If I'm honest I thought my Leaf would have been more efficient in the city.
I currently 99.9% city driving and I average 18kw/100km.

I had it down to 17 on a Dublin-Cavan trip.
Now I don't fly around the place but I don't drive it like miss daisy either.

unkel · 14-04-2017 03:15PM

It's very simple. Ioniq is a 200km motorway (100km/h) or 300km city / mixed driving car. Less obviously on the handful of cold days we have in winter. But even Nyland got nearly 200km out of it in the middle of winter in Norway (-7C). I do have regen at 2 though, I get the impression that makes the car very efficient. 3 is too aggressive for me and 2 is too aggressive on motorways, so then I switch it to 1 (for those unfamiliar, it goes from 0 to 3 with 0 being no regen at all)

Have the car charging on my home charger for the first time, just to check that it's working. At full fat daytime rate. Was 90% charged already so it's gonna cost me €0.40 :eek:

Had to park the car less than 10cm from the wall of the house to fit the charger. Won't be doing that again until I get my 15m cable.

kceire wrote: »

I currently 99.9% city driving and I average 18kw/100km.

City driving with a normal foot will see a single figure average per 100km in the Ioniq. In South Korea on the motorways (without regen) at a low average speed they got a bit over 7kWh/100 km which is unbelievable without regen!

Mope · 14-04-2017 03:21PM

I actually have Regen always on 3 and simply do not release foot fully if I see traffic slowing down. Even if you release accelerator half way or 2/3-way, regen already kicks in. That is - you do not need to release accelerator fully for regeneration to start.

Regen is very good, I rarely use brakes on this car. Only to fully stop or when it's something I could not have planned.

liamog · 14-04-2017 03:28PM

We drive with regen zero. Pulse and glide is great for city driving.

Gumbo · 14-04-2017 03:30PM

unkel wrote: »

It's very simple. Ioniq is a 200km motorway (100km/h) or 300km city / mixed driving car. Less obviously on the handful of cold days we have in winter. But even Nyland got nearly 200km out of it in the middle of winter in Norway (-7C). I do have regen at 2 though, I get the impression that makes the car very efficient. 3 is too aggressive for me and 2 is too aggressive on motorways, so then I switch it to 1 (for those unfamiliar, it goes from 0 to 3 with 0 being no regen at all)

Have the car charging on my home charger for the first time, just to check that it's working. At full fat daytime rate. Was 90% charged already so it's gonna cost me â‚¬0.40 :eek:

Had to park the car less than 10cm from the wall of the house to fit the charger. Won't be doing that again until I get my 15m cable.

City driving with a normal foot will see a single figure average per 100km in the Ioniq. In South Korea on the motorways (without regen) at a low average speed they got a bit over 7kWh/100 km which is unbelievable without regen!

Yeah I suppose I just have to realize that Leaf tech is 7 years old and while it changed the game, the game has moved on.

Hopefully by the time I'm upgrading there will be significant improvements available.

Soarer · 15-04-2017 08:58AM

So I know there are at least 2 new owners on here (Unkel, Mope).
How are ye getting on?
I know the point and squirtability of the EV probably has ye driving a bit more uneconomically than ye normally would, but what sort of "real world" range are ye getting? Are ye comfortably over the 200km per charge range?
Any weird rattle/squeaks/niggles?
Glad ye took the plunge?

I've only had my Leaf for 6 days, and even though I got into it as cheap as possible, the comfort/drive/effortlessness of it all has me wondering if I'll trade up to a new EV and double/treble my current range!

Fiery mutant · 15-04-2017 12:04PM

Soarer wrote: »

So I know there are at least 2 new owners on here (Unkel, Mope).
How are ye getting on?
I know the point and squirtability of the EV probably has ye driving a bit more uneconomically than ye normally would, but what sort of "real world" range are ye getting? Are ye comfortably over the 200km per charge range?
Any weird rattle/squeaks/niggles?
Glad ye took the plunge?

I've only had my Leaf for 6 days, and even though I got into it as cheap as possible, the comfort/drive/effortlessness of it all has me wondering if I'll trade up to a new EV and double/treble my current range!

At the minute I'm getting about 220km with mine. I've done about 9200km, and over that time averaged 13.6kwh/100km. The only issues has been the grinding brakes, which a recall was issued for.

Everything else has been great, it's been a revelation and I can't see myself going back to an ICE.

15-04-2017 01:32PM

This thread is too long anyway and it's of no real use to anyone any more.

Mope · 15-04-2017 04:18PM

Not entirely sure how to tell my range. Just topped it up to 94prcnt at FCP. Range shown 201km when started. My wife is driving the car the weekend. Avg still around 13.6kWh.
Loving every bit of the car so far.

Mope · 15-04-2017 10:35PM

I think I have just discovered one thing which might be an issue along the line. Question for other IONIQ users: your door handles are not becoming finger print magnets? Especially back ones? I see clear marks where hands are put. The material seems to attract them.

The car is serving us already, got some stuff transported, 6x25kg bags of gravel, shovel in one go and a garden box from Lidl which fit perfectly between driver and passenger in the cabin creating interesting barrier between wife and husband

Could someone answer me re difference in charging points marked on Hyundai satnav? Some are brown, some are blue. I have selected to show 3 types of chsrgers in the menus.

I'm also not 100prcnt sure how Power Button operates as sometimes I'm not getting same results after pushing the button. If I want to just drive after sitting in the car-depress brake, power button, D and of u go. But other scenarios are a bit of mystery, need more observation.
Example: parked outside my house to get wireless and play with menus, after some time a message showed up saying please use these menus whyle ignition is On, well I pressed Power Button and continued playing through menus, but again same message showed up leaving me doubting if I know what is what. Manual time? Or, IONIQ drivers meet anyone? ðŸ‘

liamog · 15-04-2017 10:47PM

If you press the button with the brake depressed the car is fully on.
Press the button once without the brake and the 12v system is on, entertainment etc...
Press the button a second time without the brake and the car is on but won't drive unless you press it a third time with the brake depressed.

unkel · 15-04-2017 10:52PM

I did come across a software issue today that others (not on boards) have mentioned: the EV drive mode saved settings are lost and it diverts to default settings (like aircon normal and default level 1 regen braking). Not a huge issue and I guess it will be fixed in a software update

Do you get the FCP in your satnav? No, not the one in Tallaght

Had the car on the active cruise today for the first time in bad start / stop traffic on the M11 and it works great.

Also had the car loaded up several times last week with rubbish for the dump / big Ikea shop / other furniture and the car can take a good load. Hey, it's a hatch back! Did yo know that the luggage cover fits into the space under the boot? I've taken the big plastic tray out from under there myself and I store Type 2 cable / granny cable / tyre fix kit under there now.

Mope · 15-04-2017 11:07PM

liamog wrote: »

If you press the button with the brake depressed the car is fully on.
Press the button once without the brake and the 12v system is on, entertainment etc...
Press the button a second time without the brake and the car is on but won't drive unless you press it a third time with the brake depressed.

OK, that would mean if I want "ignition on" that's Second Power press without Brake depressed. Correct?

I left my Granny cable home, together with the case and will probably follow your advise with space under the cover unkel.

I am not sure yet what I am getting in my Sat Nav, but I do get Charging stations. Need to explore more.

Has anyone used Airport Chargers? Need to go to pickup my folks 00:25 AM from T1, I saw that Chargers are in T2 short term, is that correct? That means I still need to pay 3 EUR for 20 min of parking?

stesaurus · 15-04-2017 11:12PM

There's a fast charger outside the airport over at the McDonald's. If you pick them up at the drop off area for T2 then you'll be going past it after you exit the airport.
Other chargers in the car park are slow chargers so just like Tallaght

There's another fcp a few mins away in Cloghran also

Mope · 15-04-2017 11:19PM

Thanks man, handy location with McDonald. Cup of tea or an ice cream and you good to go :-)

Re those 5 AC points in car park... Has anyone used them?

Type-2 AC Socket 3.7kW (x5, ALL Available)
24 hour access
Level 1, Area B 23-28
Please contact the host premises (+353 1 8144828) for availability information.
Lat/Long: 53.427300,-6.239500

Mope · 16-04-2017 12:14AM

Charging at FCP in Airport McDonald. 51.5kW incoming, nice.
I had 73prcnt anyways, but need to pick up people so why not.

16-04-2017 02:11AM

Where's the FCB "In" the Airport ?

unkel · 16-04-2017 02:53AM

8 days, 800km. Spent about €0.40 on electricity so far in total

Ordered a 15m cable from Phil though, so once I have that, I guess I will charge at home too. My local FCP is just so, convenient! I pass there or stop there nearly every day of the week anyway.

Very happy with the car. It's a large family size hatchback from Korea, front wheel drive. It's a budget car. Nothing to write home about. Except that it drives rather well because of the low center of gravity and the fact it has all of its torque from start. And the best thing of course is that it isn't a cancer causing diesel.

Gumbo · 16-04-2017 09:12AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Where's the FCB "In" the Airport ?

FCP in the garage on the left before you exit the airport.

Mope · 16-04-2017 09:56AM

It is on Topaz premises. For me to charge there I have to turn around against traffic because of charge cable being too short to reach left side of the car. It is positioned similar to on street charging. One of 3 bays is not for EV.

Calahonda52 · 16-04-2017 11:32AM

Mope wrote: »

It is on Topaz premises. For me to charge there I have to turn around against traffic because of charge cable being too short to reach left side of the car. It is positioned similar to on street charging. One of 3 bays is not for EV.

53.428675, -6.234599
Its // parking on right as you drive in, first bay is normal parking, next two are marked for EV.

ICED quite often by the limo type cars waiting for clients and regularly during the day by an employee of the DAA who drives a Leaf and is often plugged in there for 2 or 3 hours

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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