Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Master mariner · 09-04-2017 02:15PM

The media says he was refused asylum in Sweden,so he took revenge!!

Danzy · 09-04-2017 02:16PM

Nazi skin heads and Antifa are just 2 sides of the same coin.

Arseh0les who want a ideological veneer to act up and control others.

Help!!!! · 09-04-2017 02:16PM

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That is a really odd thing for you to think: every country curtails immigration. I do not think every country is racist.

I can not believe that you just said "coloured people" in 2017.

What do you call them?

Danzy · 09-04-2017 02:18PM

Master mariner wrote: »

The media says he was refused asylum in Sweden,so he took revenge!!

That is how they'll spin it alright, he was forced in to it by the threat of deportation.

Not his fault but ours, many will think that but it it less and less each time.

Master mariner · 09-04-2017 02:20PM

Well he was also an IS supporter,and also a very nice man according to his family,friends and neighbours,so i wonder what triggered this?

Call Me Jimmy · 09-04-2017 02:26PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Now being reported that the scumbag was a failed asylum-seeker who was due to be deported
https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/851026058136743937

He probably only did it because he wasn't accepted. I think it's the fault of Sweden for not allowing him to flourish

Help!!!! · 09-04-2017 02:28PM

The left are always going on about climate change & how its happening now & that we should be looking after future generations but they cant see the rise of Islam around the world ( Islam being the fastest growing religion )
Did anyone in Luton 30 years ago think they would have 30 mosques in there town? We in Ireland only have to look to the UK/France & Sweden to see our downfall if we're not careful.

09-04-2017 02:29PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

What do you call them?

Probably "people of colour", though that may have changed again, of course.

It's hard to keep up with the terms that "offend" people these days.

Especially when the people they are offended on behalf of use different terms, themselves!
Strangely enough, many of these "people of colour" also think current European Immigration policy is insane - but don't tell their "defenders" that - they'd probably be offended.

I have friends who have entered, and remain in this Country legally. They keep telling me Ireland is a good Country, then asking why its Government wants to destroy it! Go figure...

Master mariner · 09-04-2017 02:30PM

Yes its all those who opposes mass immigration,the right wings,neo nazis and racist,not average Johan or Anna from Stockholm,they are better of keeping their mouth shut,cause everuthing is working out great in Sweden.

Master mariner · 09-04-2017 02:32PM

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

I really dont think it is possible to help refugees in Syria to build up their country right now

I do think some really appreciates it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc

Help!!!! · 09-04-2017 02:35PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably "people of colour", though that may have changed again, of course.

It's hard to keep up with the terms that "offend" people these days.

Especially when the people they are offended on behalf of use different terms, themselves!
Strangely enough, many of these "people of colour" also think current European Immigration policy is insane - but don't tell their "defenders" that - they'd probably be offended.

I have friends who have entered, and remain in this Country legally. They keep telling me Ireland is a good Country, then asking why its Government wants to destroy it! Go figure...

Loads of Caribbeans/Asia/UK black people voted for Brexit but people dont want to believe that. If you have worked hard all your life & paid taxes, bought a house & then the local council dumps a load of refugees in your street your not going to be happy. You only have to look at the Somali areas in London to see what problems they bring

Somedude9 · 09-04-2017 02:38PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Now being reported that the scumbag was a failed asylum-seeker who was due to be deported
https://twitter.com/skynewsbreak/status/851026058136743937

I didn't think there was such a thing as failed asylum-seekers & deportation.

Will I Am Not · 09-04-2017 02:49PM

Somedude9 wrote: »

I didn't think there was such a thing as failed asylum-seekers & deportation.

It's a bit like the driving test in Ireland.

Widdershins · 09-04-2017 02:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Probably "people of colour", though that may have changed again, of course.

It's hard to keep up with the terms that "offend" people these days.

Especially when the people they are offended on behalf of use different terms, themselves!
Strangely enough, many of these "people of colour" also think current European Immigration policy is insane - but don't tell their "defenders" that - they'd probably be offended.

I have friends who have entered, and remain in this Country legally. They keep telling me Ireland is a good Country, then asking why its Government wants to destroy it! Go figure...

It has changed. I read a discussion about this a couple of months ago. I don't recall what the acceptable alternative was supposed to be, if one was even put forward. It was only debated by white people, by the way.

Help!!!! · 09-04-2017 02:53PM

Widdershins wrote: »

It has changed. I read a discussion about this a couple of months ago. I don't recall what the acceptable alternative was supposed to be, if one was even put forward. It was only debated by white people, by the way.

People who call mixed race people " black " are racist as far as I'm concerned

Widdershins · 09-04-2017 02:53PM

Master mariner wrote: »

I do think some really appreciates it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3uaf1NFxXc

I'm not sure where this man is located but he might be the same man who was shouted down by Stop the War in London when he asked to be allowed to speak. He said much the same thing as this man, regarding the bombing.

Interesting point about Obama's inaction, too. ''We don't want to come to the U.S, if you care, help us establish safe zones''. Who would not want that for themself?

Widdershins · 09-04-2017 02:54PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

People who call mixed race people " black " are racist as far as I'm concerned

I've never heard that, actually

Help!!!! · 09-04-2017 02:57PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I've never heard that, actually

Well think about it, your denying the other race in the persons dna. I know many mixed race people & most dont want to be seen as black they just get labelled black.

Beyondgone · 09-04-2017 03:13PM

Seems its easier to just chat about fluffy nebulous stuff like "what to call people" or "I'd punch a rascist!" "No, I'd punch a fascist!" and vague notions of "banning" stuff.

No clue what that has to do with trucks, Sweden, Jihadis or the price of potatoes, but fair enough.

Widdershins · 09-04-2017 03:16PM

Help!!!! wrote: »

Well think about it, your denying the other race in the persons dna. I know many mixed race people & most dont want to be seen as black they just get labelled black.

No, I mean I've only hear the term mixed race used to describe mixed race people, but I see what you mean!

ilkhanid · 09-04-2017 03:35PM

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

1. There has never been "open doors immigration".

2. Banning a religion is not the answer. Monitoring where the funding for terror mosques/schools is coming from and banning that is more workable.

Banning certain manifestations of a religion is workable. Other useful moves would be
1. Removing hate preachers. It took the British far, far too long to stop Anjem Choudary and deport Abu Hamza.
2. Take a close look at where Imams are originating. Help to set up some kind of seminary where contemporary values can be taught along with the Islamic stuff. No Imams allowed from the Gulf-among other places. Make sure they can all speak english and preach in it.
3. Crack down on hate publications. If they're found in the bookshop of a mosque than that shoud be grounds for closure or prosecution.
4.Take a close look at Third level educational institutions, where it seems that Salifi modes of Islam are overturning other kinds. Put a stop to invitations to Salafi preachers in universities and ensure a fair hearing for anti-salafi Muslims.
5. Find ways to stop radicalisation in prisons. Keep extremist inmates away from vulnerable young Muslims.
6. Stop entertaining trivial demands from "pious" Muslims who won't eat in the same room as pork, won't allow a dog near them,won't mix with the other gender at work. A total end to any talk of concessions on free speech. Unimportant stuff really, but it sets the tone and says "Enough of this nonsense!"
7.Do everything possible to empower Muslim women. Banning the Niqab should only be a first step.
8. No suspect asylum seeker without papers should be allowed in until his history is checked, no matter how long it takes.

Now these may be counsels of perfection and there may be legal obstacles to enabling some of these, but it's a start.

ceadaoin. · 09-04-2017 04:20PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

2 Swedes one Belgian woman and one British person were the victims according to police press conference, he was an Isis sympathiser but police didn't think he was dangerous also carnage could have been a lot worse but the homemade bomb on the truck failed to detonate.

I read yesterday that one of the victims was an 11 year old girl on the way home from school.

Widdershins wrote: »

I'm not sure where this man is located but he might be the same man who was shouted down by Stop the War in London when he asked to be allowed to speak. He said much the same thing as this man, regarding the bombing.

Interesting point about Obama's inaction, too. ''We don't want to come to the U.S, if you care, help us establish safe zones''. Who would not want that for themself?

there have been rumours all over Twitter that US forces have been entering Syria in the past 24 hours. Maybe to set up these safe zones. Or they are invading

Beyondgone · 09-04-2017 04:44PM

ceadaoin. wrote: »

there have been rumours all over Twitter that US forces have been entering Syria in the past 24 hours. Maybe to set up these safe zones. Or they are invading

The US has had ground troops in Syria for well over a year. Mainly Special Forces, but still. Seems they may be getting joined by Marines.

Bringing Democracy, one round at a time.

Widdershins · 09-04-2017 04:49PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

The US has had ground troops in Syria for well over a year. Mainly Special Forces, but still. Seems they may be getting joined by Marines.

Bringing Democracy, one round at a time.

Depending on who is installed after Assad. It's a bit of a contradiction to 'do' democracy this way, but I'm still in favour of it, based on my limited understanding of Assad. Creating safe zones would surely be a very positive step? (I am no military expert)

Beyondgone · 09-04-2017 04:54PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Depending on who is installed after Assad. It's a bit of a contradiction to 'do' democracy this way, but I'm still in favour of it, based on my limited understanding of Assad. Creating safe zones would surely be a very positive step? (I am no military expert)

Syria after Assad= Libya after Quaddafi, Iraq after Hussein etc etc.. I.E a continuing war-torn hell. Then, having completed the destruction, the US will pull back out and sit back and watch. Which will lead to more Refugees, more truck attacks in Europe and more chaos in the ME. It's all so rosy, going forward.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 09-04-2017 05:02PM

ilkhanid wrote: »

Banning certain manifestations of a religion is workable. Other useful moves would be
1. Removing hate preachers. It took the British far, far too long to stop Anjem Choudary and deport Abu Hamza.
2. Take a close look at where Imams are originating. Help to set up some kind of seminary where contemporary values can be taught along with the Islamic stuff. No Imams allowed from the Gulf-among other places. Make sure they can all speak english and preach in it.
3. Crack down on hate publications. If they're found in the bookshop of a mosque than that shoud be grounds for closure or prosecution.
4.Take a close look at Third level educational institutions, where it seems that Salifi modes of Islam are overturning other kinds. Put a stop to invitations to Salafi preachers in universities and ensure a fair hearing for anti-salafi Muslims.
5. Find ways to stop radicalisation in prisons. Keep extremist inmates away from vulnerable young Muslims.
6. Stop entertaining trivial demands from "pious" Muslims who won't eat in the same room as pork, won't allow a dog near them,won't mix with the other gender at work. A total end to any talk of concessions on free speech. Unimportant stuff really, but it sets the tone and says "Enough of this nonsense!"
7. No suspect asylum seeker without papers should be allowed in until his history is checked, no matter how long it takes.

Now these may be counsels of perfection and there may be legal obstacles to enabling some of these, but it's a start.

8. Heavily regulate or outlaw Hawala, the untraceable Islam banking system which is being used to transfer funds to terrorists, shady community leaders and imams. If you can't operate a business in the civilised West without needing to wheel out the sky fairy excuse then you've no intention of integrating anyway. Cut off the funding and 90% and a lot of problems solve themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

suicide_circus · 09-04-2017 05:07PM

the middle east simply dosn't do democracy.

the likes of Iraq had its borders arbitrarily drawn on a map resulting in mixed communities with different outlooks voting against each other.

while it doesn't suit the proscribed approved social narrative, areas with more diverse populations are generally less contented and happy but their productivity is better -
good for shareholders.
https://www.inc.com/jessica-stillman/more-diversity-means-more-revenue-but-less-happiness.html
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/happiness_formula/5012478.stm
http://archive.boston.com/news/globe/ideas/articles/2007/08/05/the_downside_of_diversity/

Depp · 09-04-2017 05:47PM

ilkhanid wrote: »

Banning certain manifestations of a religion is workable. Other useful moves would be
1. Removing hate preachers. It took the British far, far too long to stop Anjem Choudary and deport Abu Hamza.
2. Take a close look at where Imams are originating. Help to set up some kind of seminary where contemporary values can be taught along with the Islamic stuff. No Imams allowed from the Gulf-among other places. Make sure they can all speak english and preach in it.
3. Crack down on hate publications. If they're found in the bookshop of a mosque than that shoud be grounds for closure or prosecution.
4.Take a close look at Third level educational institutions, where it seems that Salifi modes of Islam are overturning other kinds. Put a stop to invitations to Salafi preachers in universities and ensure a fair hearing for anti-salafi Muslims.
5. Find ways to stop radicalisation in prisons. Keep extremist inmates away from vulnerable young Muslims.
6. Stop entertaining trivial demands from "pious" Muslims who won't eat in the same room as pork, won't allow a dog near them,won't mix with the other gender at work. A total end to any talk of concessions on free speech. Unimportant stuff really, but it sets the tone and says "Enough of this nonsense!"
7.Do everything possible to empower Muslim women. Banning the Niqab should only be a first step.
8. No suspect asylum seeker without papers should be allowed in until his history is checked, no matter how long it takes.

Now these may be counsels of perfection and there may be legal obstacles to enabling some of these, but it's a start.

very well written post, this is exactly what needs to happen, there has to be zero tolerance towards islamism, from non-muslims and muslims alike. You preach hate, you go to jail, no exceptions, and not gen pop where you can continue your evil message, you do your time in solitary. Most of these scum are already being cast out from the more moderate mosques around the world, this needs to be encouraged and helped. Special avenues for muslims to report islamism safely and anonymously also need to be set up and an attitude needs to be fostered where this is seen as the right thing to do. Religious schools need to be stopped, a school you need to be of a particular religion to enter is unacceptable in modern society, and thats coming from a religious person! Theres no problem with someone wanting to be halal but the moment you try force that on another you're told, put up with it or leave. If you refuse to work in the same place as women, dont work here, simple as that. We've struggled long and hard to achieve a secular society and be damned if you think we're going back to it. Also the gulf funded salafi money is a serious concern and needs to be stopped or at least looked at very seriously.

masculinist · 09-04-2017 05:55PM

Biggest lickspittle on boardz wrote: »

8. Heavily regulate or outlaw Hawala, the untraceable Islam banking system which is being used to transfer funds to terrorists, shady community leaders and imams. If you can't operate a business in the civilised West without needing to wheel out the sky fairy excuse then you've no intention of integrating anyway. Cut off the funding and 90% and a lot of problems solve themselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawala

Fiat currency and taking out loans in the names of unborn children to bail out failed banks and connected businesses is no saint either

masculinist · 09-04-2017 05:57PM

Depp wrote: »

very well written post, this is exactly what needs to happen, there has to be zero tolerance towards islamism, from non-muslims and muslims alike. You preach hate, you go to jail, no exceptions,

Meanwhile , in Canada, the UK and Germany criticizing Islam online may get you a visit from the Cops to yout front door and jailtime. The reality is the exact opposite of what we should have . The fruits of the renaissance enlightenment are being attacked on all sides.

Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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