Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Beyondgone wrote: »

He's the gift that keeps on giving. He'd be popular in prison.

Ah lets not get petty lads probably had a few! Hed do a job in the us though clean the arian brotherhood right out!:D:D

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Marine Le Pen's programme extracts, please skip post if not interested.
Sorry mods if this is considered OT, last post about that.

81. She wants to revalue manual work, by encouraging the development of more specialised "colleges" (the French secondary school up to Junior Cert), with the option to start an apprenticeship at 14 years old (it's currently 16 I think)
82. Establish a "first job" incentive for companies, who will not have to pay social/fiscal charges for 2 years if they give a job to someone younger than 21 years old.
83. For a fairer system, she wants 3rd level establishments to be put in charge of finding work experience/internships for students. (I think that would be a way to avoid students being helped by who their parents know, or their address, in finding internships)
84. Re-establish an "adapted" military service.

87. Cancel gay marriage (loi Taubira) but establish a better PACS (that's civil partnership/marriage). This would not be retroactive, meaning current marriages will still be valid.

She has various really nationalist measures, such as displaying the French flag on all state buildings (already done) but not the European flag.

She wants schools and work places to be completely lay, and wants to make it official that "the Republic does not recognize any community". I think by that she means that she does not want "communities" (such as Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Pastafarian communities I guess, not local communities iyswim) to have an influence or a claim on any political or administrative function.
For example she states somewhere that she wants absolutely no state funding for any place of cult/religion. In other words, the state shows zero support for any religion or community.

103. She wants to re-establish respect for teachers and re-instate uniforms in schools. (Meh, I wouldn't support that much myself)

112. She wants to boost the arts and create a lot of artists' apprenticeships.

the awkward moment when 90% of the biggest nazi in politics' policies are staunchley left wing :D

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

That was indeed a deeply stupid movie.

Meanwhile, in real life, actual human rights apply to humans, not just to Irish people.

And folks who think Irish people have rights and dark-skinned refugees from overseas do not are racists.

What about Women and lgbt's living under islamist rule? or do their human rights not count? are you a... ...racist?! :O

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I know I can't do that on my own, but at least I am not siding with them.

Unlike you.

find a single time I've sided with nazis ill send 100 quid to the charity of your choice...actual nazis now not just people you dont like...

Ill ask the question again since you ignored it previously, does being anti-islamism or anti-sharia make one a nazi?

It's interesting to see that it all comes down to melanin levels and nothing else.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Human rights. The clue is in the name.

so you agree, you're against regimes that would limit these, like sharia/islamism? does that mean you are a nazi? or are you just talking around my question?

bubblypop wrote: »

What about the other side?
The side that takes people for people?
Why does it have to be us or them?

Because that's life. And it doesn't mean we have to be savages, but it doesn't mean we have to be silly either! Competitive cooperation that is back and forth, makes a lot more sense than this one-way street we are racing down.

See my post above.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

What are these reasons? Are they racist?

Z you do not seem to make the difference between someone who wants to curtail immigration, and a racist. Marine Le Pen is actually quite protective of the TOMs : French overseas territories, which are populated by a lot of coloured people for example. These people are French, so she does not have a problem with them. To put it bluntly, she does not have a problem with the skin colour, she does however have a problem with people born outside of France, who live in France illegally, draw on public funds, or commit crimes.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yep, pure populism. Why not promise the world when you won't win?

Don't they all engage in it ? How would you know that she won't deliver on promises, but Macron will for example ? I personally believe that she would be more likely to deliver, because she has more guts, and I don't even like the woman.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Because people have suggested that this crime means that the racists (like Le Pen) are right, and the folks who are against racism (like me) are wrong or blind.

I am not wrong or blind. Le Pen really is a horrible racist.

Hitler is dead, but Nazism is not.

But again, it is immigration not race that she seems to have a problem with. Her father was of course a horrible racist, and she got rid of him, booted him out of the party. Some Muslims living in the ghettos outside of French towns actually support her, because they live in fear too. It's not religion or race she's after, but immigration, and national identity, it has to be said. Meaning if you're foreign, living in France but you incite hatred against the French, you're likely to be booted out.

Depp wrote: »

the awkward moment when 90% of the biggest nazi in politics' policies are staunchley left wing :D

She has indeed gone very close to center/left with a lot of her propositions, while remaining very extreme on immigration, and nationalism. I suppose for people who hesitate, it's a case of whether they want to take their chances on someone that they're not sure will reliably stick to their promises.

Same as with every other candidate, when you think about it.

About Europe : she wants to regain French sovereignty. To do that, she says she won't pull out of Europe straight away. She wants to take 6 months to try and renegociate European influence on France, then a referendum will be proposed to the French people on whether to stay or leave (I presume it would be more, accept negociated changes or leave altogether).
She has this crazy (?) idea that France could resurrect the Franc for national business/transactions, and concurrently use the euro for international transactions.

blinding wrote: »

bubblypop wrote: »

What downsides?
Who is suffering?

The law of supply and demand (1st Law of economics)

The greater the supply of labour the lower the price for labour (the greater the supply of potatoes the lower the price for potatoes )

Housing : The greater the demand for housing the higher the price for housing . Do immigrants bring their own housing with them.......

Extra demand for health services . More people more demand .

More school places for children of immigrants leading to bigger class's and lower quality education for all .

All of the above have a disproportionate effect on the poorer sections of the indigenous populations .

Lets say for example I imported enough immigrant TDs to replace , lets say 1 in 7 TDs and I said that these new TDs would work for lets say 20% less and a 20% less pension and expenses............

Obviously we would allow the TDs the formality of ratifying this by voting on it.....

Tell me honestly how you think ( knowing our TDs ) that they would vote on this.....

Dead right man. Look at NY. Population 200 years ago was about 100k. It's now about 85 times that. Imagine how much better off they'd be if they had managed to keep it at 100k. Sure they could be up there with Tallaght for feck sake. They shower of eejits.

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Z you do not seem to make the difference between someone who wants to curtail immigration, and a racist.

That is a really odd thing for you to think: every country curtails immigration. I do not think every country is racist.

Marine Le Pen is actually quite protective of the TOMs : French overseas territories, which are populated by a lot of coloured people for example.

I can not believe that you just said "coloured people" in 2017.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I brought up Nazism with regard to Marine Le Pen. She says she is not a Nazi, and has toned down a lot of the open racism of her father.

But her current manifesto includes centralizing power in the office of the president, hiring 15,000 more police, locking up 40,000 more miscreants, slashing immigration from 140 to 10 thousand people a year, tariffs on trade to favour French companies (which means leaving the EU, of course), promoting the birth rate of white French people, no surrogacy or same sex marriage, 50,000 new recruits for the military which will leave NATO.

This is far, far to the right, and this is what she boasts about up front. I think it is reasonable to suppose that she has more in her back pocket, especially when she is only leader of her party because she is her father's daughter, and he was an odious racist.

ok so shes not a nazi then? a nationalist yes but you're being ridiculous, this nazi comparison completely kills any argument you make and makes light of what the nazis actually did. You want to argue against her nationalistic policies thats fine i can understand that but you seem to actually know what you're on about so why resort to the childish and false nazi comparisons? Also could you answer my question on islamism/sharia please?