Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Beyondgone wrote: »

Remember that picture of the 11 year old Swedish girl Suicidal clown objected to being posted?.

No, I have no clue what you are talking about.

Mountainsandh wrote: »

there are many propositions that are regularly discussed here on boards re-Ireland and Irish problems.

Yep, pure populism. Why not promise the world when you won't win?

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

Why does "tolerant" Sweden not do this though....

I think they should, and so should we.

My kids went to a national school near a halting site and a Direct Provision immigrant site.

My family are living it. Racism is not the answer.

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Actually martingriff, I was doing just that right now, haven't finished, but here is a link to Marine's 144 propositions if she were to be elected.

I have to say, although her stance on immigration is very very firm, and her nationalism very strong, there are many propositions that are regularly discussed here on boards re-Ireland and Irish problems.

Namely, to protect citizens against banks and institutions misusing public funds, or using public funds in case of banking crisis, strengthening the justice system and putting an end to overly lenient sentences, protecting French companies from "the outside"...

For example, she wants to encourage research by allocating more funds for it, and using taxation to encourage companies to contribute to research, but she also ensures that the fruit from such research will benefit French companies. To do so, she would establish a rule whereby a company which received public funds for research may not be bought by a foreign company before 10 years have passed. So brilliant, new ideas and projects funded by the French will not be snatched by foreign companies right away.

She wants to cut on administration in all sectors, and make savings that way, which is fair enough.

She wants to encourage homegrown training of French people for the health sector (make access to medicine studies easier), instead of hospitals having to employ foreign doctors. She wants to protect small local hospitals and health services, notably by establishing a compulsory work experience year in less populated areas for newly qualified staff, and fiscal advantages for doctors close to retirement who might opt to work in these places too.

I haven't finished so I'll get back to it, but the link to that pdf (in French) is here, for anyone curious.

https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/projet-presidentiel-marine-le-pen.pdf

It's nice to actually learn something from a Boards discussion, thank you.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

I think they should, and so should we.

My kids went to a national school near a halting site and a Direct Provision immigrant site.

My family are living it. Racism is not the answer.

What is it then? punching nazis? :D:D you're posts brightened up my evening thanks for that! Is it racist to call out islamism as barbaric? am i a nazi?

Allah snackbar wrote: »

You keep referring to Nazis , why ?

Because people have suggested that this crime means that the racists (like Le Pen) are right, and the folks who are against racism (like me) are wrong or blind.

I am not wrong or blind. Le Pen really is a horrible racist.

Hitler is dead, but Nazism is not.

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Actually martingriff, I was doing just that right now, haven't finished, but here is a link to Marine's 144 propositions if she were to be elected.

I have to say, although her stance on immigration is very very firm, and her nationalism very strong, there are many propositions that are regularly discussed here on boards re-Ireland and Irish problems.

Namely, to protect citizens against banks and institutions misusing public funds, or using public funds in case of banking crisis, strengthening the justice system and putting an end to overly lenient sentences, protecting French companies from "the outside"...

For example, she wants to encourage research by allocating more funds for it, and using taxation to encourage companies to contribute to research, but she also ensures that the fruit from such research will benefit French companies. To do so, she would establish a rule whereby a company which received public funds for research may not be bought by a foreign company before 10 years have passed. So brilliant, new ideas and projects funded by the French will not be snatched by foreign companies right away.

She wants to cut on administration in all sectors, and make savings that way, which is fair enough.

She wants to encourage homegrown training of French people for the health sector (make access to medicine studies easier), instead of hospitals having to employ foreign doctors. She wants to protect small local hospitals and health services, notably by establishing a compulsory work experience year in less populated areas for newly qualified staff, and fiscal advantages for doctors close to retirement who might opt to work in these places too.

I haven't finished so I'll get back to it, but the link to that pdf (in French) is here, for anyone curious.

https://www.marine2017.fr/wp-content/uploads/2017/02/projet-presidentiel-marine-le-pen.pdf

thanks for that post hadnt looked into it that deep! with those policies and take out her anti-immigration/nationalistic side she'd almost be left wing! but she is anti immigration though definitely a nazi

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Because people have suggested that this crime means that the racists (like Le Pen) are right, and the folks who are against racism (like me) are wrong or blind.

I am not wrong or blind. Le Pen really is a horrible racist.

Hitler is dead, but Nazism is not.

Can I see some examples of this please? many have said it, but I've yet to see a single example!

To be fair I agree with you I'm firmly anti-racism but you cant just call anyone who disagrees with you a racist without providing examples of them doing or saying racist things!

Depp wrote: »

Can I see some examples of this please? many have said it, but I've yet to see a single example!

her father was a racist, therefore she is a racist.

wait, i guess this makes Zubeneschamali a racist too :pac:

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Because people have suggested that this crime means that the racists (like Le Pen) are right, and the folks who are against racism (like me) are wrong or blind.

I am not wrong or blind. Le Pen really is a horrible racist.

Hitler is dead, but Nazism is not.

Its simple, there are two sides. On which side are you?

Side A: A group of people whos main concern is for your own country and its own people. Even if the extremes of these people are quite simply racists for the sake of being racist, the end result is the same for this group. You come first.

Side B: A group of people whos main concern are for foreign people. Even if the extremes of these people are self-concerned manipulators who steer the naïve, the end result is still the same. You come second.

Its kinda like the first alien attack in the independence day film from years back. Some woman on top of a building with a welcome sign, right before the building is obliterated!

Need to end/severely redesign immigration for the benefit of all.

Zubeneschamali wrote: »

Yes, I think anyone who holds up a Nazi sign should get punched. Happy to do it myself. That sh!t is not acceptable.

ah right i see...focus on the joke and ignore my actual point...you're such a brave, tough guy

Marine Le Pen's programme extracts, please skip post if not interested.
Sorry mods if this is considered OT, last post about that.

81. She wants to revalue manual work, by encouraging the development of more specialised "colleges" (the French secondary school up to Junior Cert), with the option to start an apprenticeship at 14 years old (it's currently 16 I think)
82. Establish a "first job" incentive for companies, who will not have to pay social/fiscal charges for 2 years if they give a job to someone younger than 21 years old.
83. For a fairer system, she wants 3rd level establishments to be put in charge of finding work experience/internships for students. (I think that would be a way to avoid students being helped by who their parents know, or their address, in finding internships)
84. Re-establish an "adapted" military service.

87. Cancel gay marriage (loi Taubira) but establish a better PACS (that's civil partnership/marriage). This would not be retroactive, meaning current marriages will still be valid.

She has various really nationalist measures, such as displaying the French flag on all state buildings (already done) but not the European flag.

She wants schools and work places to be completely lay, and wants to make it official that "the Republic does not recognize any community". I think by that she means that she does not want "communities" (such as Jewish, Muslim, Catholic, Pastafarian communities I guess, not local communities iyswim) to have an influence or a claim on any political or administrative function.
For example she states somewhere that she wants absolutely no state funding for any place of cult/religion. In other words, the state shows zero support for any religion or community.

103. She wants to re-establish respect for teachers and re-instate uniforms in schools. (Meh, I wouldn't support that much myself)

112. She wants to boost the arts and create a lot of artists' apprenticeships.