Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 10:00PM

Danzy wrote: »

Sweden is going to get some education.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will, but they won't. Life changes people - soft life makes people soft and hard life makes people hard. But the soft can become hard and vice versa. I think they will face "changes". The optimist in me thinks they will adapt, harden up and deal with what has to be dealt with. The pessimist in me thinks that some problems are easy to deal with at the beginning, when they are small. But when they reach a critical mass, they become impossible to deal with. If you had to repair one loose tile, you could cope. If your entire roof has blown off, it's not so easy. I think they have a hard road ahead of them. They boobed in being "nice". Nice seldom ends well when it meets harsh. It's like throwing a college boy into a jail cell with 38 other prisoners. They usually get eaten alive.

Danzy · 07-04-2017 10:07PM

Beyondgone wrote: »

I'm going to go out on a limb and say they will, but they won't. Life changes people - soft life makes people soft and hard life makes people hard. But the soft can become hard and vice versa. I think they will face "changes". The optimist in me thinks they will adapt, harden up and deal with what has to be dealt with. The pessimist in me thinks that some problems are easy to deal with at the beginning, when they are small. But when they reach a critical mass, they become impossible to deal with. If you had to repair one loose tile, you could cope. If your entire roof has blown off, it's not so easy. I think they have a hard road ahead of them. They boobed in being "nice". Nice seldom ends well when it meets harsh. It's like throwing a college boy into a jail cell with 38 other prisoners. They usually get eaten alive.

by education I mean that they'll learn very hard lessons.

Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 10:26PM

Danzy wrote: »

by education I mean that they'll learn very hard lessons.

I think the whole of western Europe has that in their future. No good deed goes unpunished. Harsh but unerringly true.

Life is usually circles. Our lot have dipped into "very soft and pampered". The universe has a way of correcting that. Much as people will say that is tosh.

Somedude9 · 07-04-2017 10:26PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

I suggest you don't look at that guys twitter feed as he shows the uncensored photos of the poor victims, terrible terrible way to die. I think the death penalty should be brought in for these scum.

The trouble is it's death they crave, so best deny them that. Besides, death is too good for them.

07-04-2017 10:32PM

Depp wrote: »

Don't necessarily agree with him on everything but for you to call someone out for a ''rinse and repeat'' attitude is a bit hypocritical when ''you and your ilk'' as you put it have the same ''rinse and repeat'' approach of a constant scramble for excuses whenever there's an attack while ignoring and playing down the blatantly obvious common denominator that is islamist ideology?

Do we know for certain it was a muslim or is this just speculation?

Also .. just to add .. if the person that committed this act is still on the run or has only recently been arrested, then this would likely mean that the photo posted earlier was, indeed, incorrect.

conorhal · 07-04-2017 10:36PM

Danzy wrote: »

If the driver, who is still on the run, is hiding in a suburb like Rinkeby, they'll have to send the army in to search for him because the Swedish Police will meet some resistance if they go in.

A suburb where the Police Station had to close down because it was being attacked so often, finally closing in 2014.

They are building a more formidable structure but that has stopped because the contractors who work on it are being threatened with murder.

It says all you need to know about Sweden today, one of its most troubled suburbs does not have a police station because criminals will not allow it.

Sweden is going to get some education.

Same with the Paris attacker, he openly walked the streets of Molenbeek. And yet we seem happy to oblige creating ghettos that are states within states.

conorhal · 07-04-2017 10:38PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do we know for certain it was a muslim or is this just speculation?

Also .. just to add .. if the person that committed this act is still on the run or has only recently been arrested, then this would likely mean that the photo posted earlier was, indeed, incorrect.

Clutching at straws much? I suspect you wouldn't bet the house on it.

Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 10:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Do we know for certain it was a muslim or is this just speculation?

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Has this sentence not been relegated to "ahh here??" yet? You would have to wonder just how dim people could be that come out with it.

07-04-2017 10:43PM

Isn't it odd how when you say to just wait and not speculate, you get told that you're clutching at straws.

After Russian attack, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him.

After the London attack recently, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him and while he was an utter scumbag, he was innocent of that particular attack.

After the Boston Marathon bombing, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. wasn't him.. and his family received death threats.

And right now in this very thread, we have an image of someone, with the poster speculating that they're involved, yet the supposed attacker is on the run so.. how could it have been that person?

Point I'm making is that there is no point in leaping to conclusions until you know the facts. Which we don't know.

It isn't clutching at straws. It's saying, "how about have some common sense and not spread sh1t and fake news?"

conorhal · 07-04-2017 10:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it odd how when you say to just wait and not speculate, you get told that you're clutching at straws.

After Russian attack, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him.

After the London attack recently, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him and while he was an utter scumbag, he was innocent of that particular attack.

After the Boston Marathon bombing, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. wasn't him.. and his family received death threats.

And right now in this very thread, we have an image of someone, with the poster speculating that they're involved, yet the supposed attacker is on the run so.. how could it have been that person?

Point I'm making is that there is no point in leaping to conclusions until you know the facts. Which we don't know.

It isn't clutching at straws. It's saying, "how about have some common sense and not spread sh1t and fake news?"

The point you're making is that breaking news is utter chaos. Fine, it is, the need to feed the 24/7 news machine breeds this crap in it's attempt to 'break the latest scoop' and often gets the details wrong in the initial reports.
The point however is somewhat undermined though by the fact that all those were Islamist attacks, which you are desperately hoping this isn't. But it will be little or no surprise that this will also turn out to be an Islamist attack. The bang of desperation off your post is palpable.

In the same way that I don't walk through a field of nettles in shorts and think, 'Oh crap, Ive been stung by a bee!' {possible, but unlikely) I don't look at a truck ploughing into a crowd of people and think, 'oh crap, Mormon extremists!' Why do you think that is?

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Beyondgone · 07-04-2017 10:50PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it odd how when you say to just wait and not speculate, you get told that you're clutching at straws.

After Russian attack, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him.

After the London attack recently, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. it wasn't him and while he was an utter scumbag, he was innocent of that particular attack.

After the Boston Marathon bombing, a person gets identified as the attacker.. turned out.. wasn't him.. and his family received death threats.

And right now in this very thread, we have an image of someone, with the poster speculating that they're involved, yet the supposed attacker is on the run so.. how could it have been that person?

Point I'm making is that there is no point in leaping to conclusions until you know the facts. Which we don't know.

It isn't clutching at straws. It's saying, "how about have some common sense and not spread sh1t and fake news?"

What was the finally proven common denominator? The pawns matter not a jot.

Biggest lickspittle on boardz · 07-04-2017 10:50PM

conorhal wrote: »

Same with the Paris attacker, he openly walked the streets of Molenbeek. And yet we seem happy to oblige creating ghettos that are states within states.

Not to mention that the Berlin attacker was known to intelligence services. In fact, the German police have been accused of covering up how much they knew about Anis Amri. And this from the ultra-progressive, card carrying liberal Irish Times-you know things are bad when even the IT is giving coverage:

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/german-police-accused-of-christmas-market-attack-cover-up-1.3032324

ChikiChiki · 07-04-2017 11:33PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yeah here you go lads here is innocent swedes running for their lives, the speed of that lorry is sickening
https://twitter.com/petersweden7/status/850440469293264897

****ing hell some speed. Heads up, some of the pictures in the replies attached to that tweet are barbaric.

Neon_Lights · 08-04-2017 12:03AM

conorhal wrote: »

Same with the Paris attacker, he openly walked the streets of Molenbeek. And yet we seem happy to oblige creating ghettos that are states within states.

Yeah why let them in in the first place then?

Beyondgone · 08-04-2017 12:04AM

ChikiChiki wrote: »

****ing hell some speed. Heads up, some of the pictures in the replies attached to that tweet are barbaric.

Reality is often harsh.

Widdershins · 08-04-2017 12:12AM

Beyondgone wrote: »

Reality is often harsh.

I have an imagination, that's more than enough. I'm glad of the warnings.

wakka12 · 08-04-2017 12:15AM

London..St Petersburg..Stockholm.. all in less than a fortnight, where next

Don't see how it could be seen as overreacting or scaremongering when its become as common as this

venlo · 08-04-2017 12:15AM

swedish people should be more tolerant and multi-cultural then hopefully they will have less truck attacks

P_1 · 08-04-2017 12:42AM

Even more sickening than targeting innocents is the fact that by targeting innocents in a country that has gone above and beyond in terms of disproving those idiot's ideals through tolerance and acceptance the idiot's aims of forcing a West v East conflict will have amplified.

Widdershins · 08-04-2017 12:43AM

For BoatMad, interesting article detailing the different attitudes among young Muslims over time (in French banlieues)

''Many French Muslims, even in the banlieues, seem to agree with Kepel that the core problem is the spread of more aggressive forms of Islam. In Mantes-la-Jolie, I met a 50-year-old shop owner who told me he believed that by the 1990s, the situation was improving, and “France was ready to assimilate its Maghrebins,” or North Africans. What changed, he said, was not primarily the advances of the racist National Front, but the spread of Gulf-sponsored Salafism. The man described this phenomenon in terms almost identical to Kepel’s. He told me he had been shaken by some of his encounters with young local men, many of them poorly educated and delinquent but full of religious rage. Sometimes, he said, men came into the shop and called him an infidel, in front of other customers. The shopkeeper asked me not to use his name, because he feared reprisals from the Salafis. “Now, people seem almost not to want assimilation,” he said. “They have taken on a religion that has nothing to do with their own origins. It’s a lost generation.”''

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/magazine/france-election-gilles-kepel-islam.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

08-04-2017 12:44AM

jacksie66 wrote: »

Stop bombing the **** out of their countries and wiping out whole families would be a good start..

Which Countries did Sweden bomb the **** out of? That's right, none!

masculinist wrote: »

I think the obvious compromise here is we lock up ''Hate Preachers'' indefinitely due to ''mental illness'' . Hate Preachers do exist. Either we call it out as ''real Islam'' or we just lock them up , pump them full of Thorazine anti psychotics and throw away the key. And let the moderates take over the Mosques. And keep that subroutine going.

I think we could actually manage that very simply. The Dept. of Education decides the Curriculum for all schools, including Religious studies. Just teach Islam at school, with an approved Curriculum, set by moderate Muslims.

BoatMad wrote: »

We have four types immigrants

(a) EU nationals, we cannot force anyone to learn anything , we can certainly offer support etc, but we cant force it

(b) Legal Immigrants from outside the EU. This is actually a very small number

(c) Illegal immigrants , again a small number

(d) Asylum seekers, being processed to legal stay or deportation

Illegals are deported.

The rest will assimilate over time as their kids go to school

Remember teaching them english just not let them assimilate , the westminster driver spoke the mother tongue .

The language issue is irrelevant

The "ISlam Threat " will recede when the wests violent involvement in the ME ends

I don't approve of much of the Wests intervention in the ME.

However, western intervention is not, and never has been, the sole reason for the barbarity seen in many predominantly Muslim Countries. If it were, they wouldn't have been slaughtering one another for Centuries.

The predominant reason for ISIS attacks is their stated aim of establishing a Worldwide Caliphate.

You can victim blame all you want - but, personally, I'm convinced that ISIS knows what it's aims are better than you do.

BoatMad wrote: »

Where does the " hate " come from

why do 2nd generation Muslims , born and bred in the UK/France/etc , then decide to drive a car/truck etc into ordinary civilians

WHY , ask yourself ,

These people are radicalised to act , WHY ?

think it through .....

Suppose you tell us WHY.

Hint: It's not because Sweden is slaughtering people in Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, etc.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

If Europeans are really serious about stopping this, they need to go after the funding of terror Mosques and schools.

No more Mosques to be built until vetting and auditing of finances has been completed. And if an Imam in a Mosque is preaching hate and the authorities know about it, close the Mosque down and demolish it.

If that means pissing of members of The House of Saud, so be it.

Agreed. Followed up by implementing existing laws on hate speech, dressed up as religious fervour.

ilkhanid wrote: »

Not to the same extent at all. So much for the inevitability of radicalisation in response to Western actions idea. I'd add Ismaelis to that too.

So? That's no excuse. If I, say, in response to the London attack decided to target all Muslims: Sunni, Shia, Ahmadi, Ismaeli-groups that have no gripe with the West- and those from countries like Indonesia that have nothing to do with these troubles( and I'd have to have known that) and all Arabs, I'd be rightly condemned. No difference.

True. But apparently only "The West" is guilty - to anyone stupid enough to believe that.

Danzy · 08-04-2017 12:50AM

Stefan Löfven, that hypocritical charlatan photographed wiping a "tear" from his face at the scene of the attack.

AlekSmart · 08-04-2017 01:08AM

Neon_Lights wrote: »

Yeah why let them in in the first place then?

It's not about stopping the currrent immigration flow,as some continually attempt to insist.

It is about managing a situation which threatens to spiral out of our control.

It is about us,Ireland,being able to maintain and improve it's long established and highly reasonable policy regarding Immigration and Asylum.

With the numbers now being dictated to us by Chancellor Merkel,and with no substantial increase in resources to cope,Ireland is now supposedly going to accept 4,000 per anum,when we had a far more realistic figure of 280 to begin with.

Reinstate the original agreed numbers,advise Chancellor Merkel that we have changed our minds,and then proceed to admit those who meet our requirements,rather than Chancellor Merkel's.

Or do we just wait'n see......we might be ok ?

Scaremongering...Try saying that whilst looking at those photos on Twitter...?

gitzy16v · 08-04-2017 01:19AM

Widdershins wrote: »

For BoatMad, interesting article detailing the different attitudes among young Muslims over time (in French banlieues)

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/05/magazine/france-election-gilles-kepel-islam.html?smid=fb-share&_r=0

Excellent piece Widdershins,thanks for sharing.

One paragraph stood out for me and Im starting to see a recurring theme.....

Another passionate enemy of the Islamist trend is Franceâ€™s most distinguished Islamic intellectual, the Moroccan-born thinker Tareq Oubrou. Oubrou leads a mosque in Bordeaux and promotes a discreet practice of religion that is fully consistent with laÃ¯citÃ©. He says beards, head scarves and other public displays of religiosity are incidental to Islam. We spoke in the library of his home, with high shelves of Arabic and French scholarship above us. Oubrou told me cheerfully that political Islam had been a â€œtotal failureâ€ and that Islam in general was in need of a fundamental rethinking, so that people could stop â€œtrying to turn themselves into seventh-century Arabs.â€ The Quran, he said, was a â€œpoint of departure and not a point of arrival.â€ His mosque, a few blocks from the train station in downtown Bordeaux, is so discreet that I almost missed it. There are no minarets, no grand entrance. The only giveaway was the group of gun-toting French soldiers who stand guard at prayer times. Oubrouâ€™s opinions have earned him repeated death threats.........

Muslims who try to promote integration seem to be getting death threats,it just shows how tough this process will be:(

gitzy16v · 08-04-2017 01:28AM

The very next paragraph is about a meeting he had with a Muslim doctor,she asked about wearing the head scarf in hospital(it wasnt allowed),he replied saying "saving lives is more important than islam"...
She quit her job,moved to the U.K where she can wear the head scarf in hospital.
Madness

Widdershins · 08-04-2017 01:45AM

gitzy16v wrote: »

The very next paragraph is about a meeting he had with a Muslim doctor,she asked about wearing the head scarf in hospital(it wasnt allowed),he replied saying "saving lives is more important than islam"...
She quit her job,moved to the U.K where she can wear the head scarf in hospital.
Madness

He then gave her his counsel: Her work in the hospital appeared to be saving lives, which was far more important â€” and indeed, more Islamic â€” than anything she might want to wear on her head.

It's a pity not everyone can see it that way.

I found the article very well rounded. Interesting to read about Muslims who remember the point at which they began to notice the emergence of Salafism. And the attitude of Aballah when asked what Radicalism and Fanaticism is. Basically, to him it means pure religion and he saw it as proper.

gitzy16v · 08-04-2017 02:07AM

Widdershins wrote: »

He then gave her his counsel: Her work in the hospital appeared to be saving lives, which was far more important â€” and indeed, more Islamic â€” than anything she might want to wear on her head.

It's a pity not everyone can see it that way.

I found the article very well rounded. Interesting to read about Muslims who remember the point at which they began to notice the emergence of Salafism. And the attitude of Aballah when asked what Radicalism and Fanaticism is. Basically, to him it means pure religion and he saw it as proper.

It quite an eye opener(though i feel my eyes are quite open already).

I think most people who comment here and on other social media all agree that Saudi influenced Salafism is the main cause of all the anti-western feeling among Muslims....especially the vulnerable young folk who have no jobs,feel disenfranchised from society and they are easy picking for these salafist Imams for conversion to extremism.
Its hard for us as Christian(used very loosely) Westerners to have a fair discussion about this as you would be labelled all sorts of racist,bigot kind of stuff but we have to spare a thought for the Muslims who are trying to raise awareness of this problem within their own religion because they are facing death threats!!!

SILVAMAN · 08-04-2017 02:14AM

Religion is the root of all evil. Thankfully this side of the world the Christian religions have been effectively neutered of their murderous antics, and Islam needs to go through the same wringer of enlightenment.
I'm also of the firm belief if you emigrate to another country, you leave your baggage and medieval customs in the arrivals hall, and get with the fcuking program. If our ways don't suit, Ryanair has plenty of affordable flights out of here.

DEFTLEFTHAND · 08-04-2017 04:56AM

A woman named Ingrid Carlqvist and the paper she founded 'Dispatch International' are worth reading if you want to get a reasonable and logical insight into what's happening in Sweden.

She's given many interviews to foreign news sources also, look some up on youtube, she is a person who is worth listening to.

CoolHandBandit · 08-04-2017 07:35AM

wakka12 wrote: »

London..St Petersburg..Stockholm.. all in less than a fortnight, where next

Don't see how it could be seen as overreacting or scaremongering when its become as common as this

It is now the new normal. To be perfectly honest i think it's just a matter of time before it happens in Ireland :mad:

Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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