Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Donal55 · 07-04-2017 04:37PM

Falthyron wrote: »

In the last two weeks, a number of cyclists on Irish roads lost their lives. Should we have the same amount of coverage on that, like a terrorist incident? RTE news taking over the daily broadcast to give us 24 hour coverage, updates, expert analysis and interviews?

I thought not.

Slight difference between a few RTAs and terrorism.

SEPT 23 1989 · 07-04-2017 04:38PM

HalloweenJack wrote: »

Going to Stockholm next week, can only hope it'll mean tighter security.

I'm sick of these attacks. The only thing I think can be done is crack down on suspected terrorists. It's what they do in Spain because of ETA and the 2004 attack. Every week they arrest a few Islamist extremists in pre-emptive operations. I feel safer here for it.

There is a sizeable Moroccan population as well as numerous immigrants from other Muslim-majority countries, especially Sub-Saharan Africa, in Spain and IS have their eyes on Spain as it used to be part of their caliphate but so far, there's been nothing.

IMO, other countries should be getting in touch with Spain and finding out how they do it.

IRA ETA etc is last century terrorism

No negociation or talks with these chaps

Neverending

Anita Blow · 07-04-2017 04:39PM

Falthyron wrote: »

In the last two weeks, a number of cyclists on Irish roads lost their lives. Should we have the same amount of coverage on that, like a terrorist incident? RTE news taking over the daily broadcast to give us 24 hour coverage, updates, expert analysis and interviews?

I thought not.

A road traffic accident, while tragic, is understandably more commonplace than a terrorist purposely murdering scores of people. Furthermore, it's just that- an accident. I find the comparison very weak.

masculinist · 07-04-2017 04:39PM

Depp wrote: »

lock them up definitely but not because they're mentally ill, lock them up cause they're scum.

We need to find a way to do it which doesnt endanger our own values. If the authorities can lock one person up without due process then pretty soon they will come for you or someone you care about.

Exhibit A : A hate preacher who believes in a sky fairy, wants to stone gays and imprison women in a walking tent euphemistically referred to as a Burka while inciting the overthrow of western civilization through violent and hateful means. I suggest this is evidence of mental illness. I suggest this can quite clearly be shown to be a mental illness particularly an incurable variant referred to as psychopathy.

Pump him full of Thorazine, sedate him for a few decades and throw away the key. Nice and legal and compassionate

Widdershins · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

Walter H Price wrote: »

Why do that , they are not mentally ill just religious zealots ... the only issue here is books of fairy tales for grown ups that vindicate , slavery , discrimination , homophobia , war and a whole host of other nasty devise narrow minded views.

No need for psyche wards we just need bonfires for religious texts and bulldozers for religious buildings , we could turn the areas into something nice like parks.

Religion is a cancer , but we already have the cure

I agree with the first paragraph. I can't agree with the second. It doesn't work. Religion just goes 'underground' when that happens, anyway. It's far too late, when people have been indoctrinated.

blinding · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

ScumLord wrote: »

There isn't unlimited immigration.

Our so called governments have no control over immigration . There is de-facto unlimited immigration....Our Governments and the EU are betraying their own people....

Danzy · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

Given the trends in Sweden it was only a matter of time before it had a significant diversity incident.

It will not be the last diversity incident they have.

C Montgomery Gurns II · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

I sympathise with the individuals killed and wounded on a personal level, but do I sympathise with the state of Sweden, with the Swedish electorate?

As cold as it sounds, not really.

They elect clowns who have overseen an epidemic of rape, murder, no go zones, welfare dependency, extremism.

They tolerate a media which doesn't even report this type of thing.

They mock and abuse civil servants such as the policeman a couple of weeks back who said most of his criminal caseload concerned new arrivals who would never be deported.

Sweden doesn't prosecute returning ISIS fighters. It doesn't ban them or strip them of citizenship. It has a programme to try and placate them by offering them improved benefits and housing upon their return.

Swedes were falling over themselves to take Donald Trump's comments about "last night in Sweden" deliberately out of context. Trying to paint it as a non existant terror attack when what he was referring to was a documentary he had watched the previous night.

Sweden is, in effect, a loser country that is reaping what it sows. Along with Germany, Canada under that gimp Treadeau and Holland- they had their chance with Wilders last month and they blew it. Straight Dutch men are currently walking the streets holding in hands in solidarity with a couple who were gay bashed by.....do I even need to tell you who.

And the fact is, we have to ask ourselves. Are we a loser country? Or on the way to becoming one?

In the midst of the biggest housing crisis this state has ever witnessed housing is allocated to new arrivals within 3 months of coming here. These people are subject to, at best, rudimentary background checks. We are a country with a media that refuses to publish the truth about Ibrahim Halawa and his family. We are a country that covers up the nationality/ background of those involved in a gang rape last year. We have taken zero action against the 30 plus Irish residents/ citizens who have fought with ISIS. We took 17 years to deport an ISIS recruiter to Jordan only a few weeks ago (and now our state is funding a case via legal aid to try and bring him back home. I wonder is his council house in South Dublin lying empty in case he returns?)

We are not quite at the level of the cuckistani nations like Germany, Canada and Sweden, but we are on the right track.

Banned.

Stars and Stripes · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

Condolences to the family and friends of the victims. We'll I rather focus on the cause of the problem than a blanket blaming on all Muslims.

The_Valeyard · 07-04-2017 04:40PM

Was their a separate shooting incident related or what happened with it?

Widdershins · 07-04-2017 04:42PM

Falthyron wrote: »

I am referring to the numbers. An increase/a spike in road deaths has been recorded. Should this re-occurring event (much like acts of terrorism) not be given the same treatment?

Road safety campaigns. New road traffic acts. Garda Checkpoints. It's being addressed.

Not a great comparison.

pumpkin4life · 07-04-2017 04:42PM

Falthyron wrote: »

I am referring to the numbers. An increase/a spike in road deaths has been recorded. Should this re-occurring event (much like acts of terrorism) not be given the same treatment? Moreover, it is much closer to home than events in Europe.

The truth of the matter is, human beings have an unhealthy obsession with violence. Fear, suffering, and violence is something that draws people's curiosity. It stirs something deep down and makes people feel as if they belong to some sort of community by rallying around them in a shared ideological crusade.

Those who obsess over this act of terror are no different to the terrorists themselves. The terrorists seek to illustrate their grievances by attacking people and using violence. Those with a disturbing obsession of these events seek to share their grievances and prejudices through the acts of such terrorist attacks. One fuels the other, and the cycle continues.

As I've said before: terrorism is the symptom, not the cause. You're seeing the outliers acting out here.

What about if we scale back a bit?

That video is essential viewing in my opinion. It takes you through exactly what the fùcks been going on over the past number of decades.

What we're seeing now in 2017 is the ideas and actions of the past 70 years coming to fruition.

King George VI · 07-04-2017 04:43PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Those who obsess over this act of terror are no different to the terrorists themselves..

Wow. This is honestly the dumbest thing I've read on this website in many years.

07-04-2017 04:45PM

Depp wrote: »

I dunno if I can agree with the rockstar analogy, its hardly as if the media portray them in a positive light? in the eyes of a tiny minority they will be glorified but for 99% of people it shows the image of what they actually are, cowardly scum.

What I meant was that they would be seen as rockstars by other people like them - that they are getting so much attention everywhere.

It was also in reference to the fact Rolling Stones previous depiction of one of the Boston Bombers on their front page.

Irish Praetorian · 07-04-2017 04:46PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Then clearly you don't understand how terrorism works.

Clearly, perhaps he should go spend some time studying it and learning about it, of course that would make him as bad as a terrorist so its a bit of a deadly cycle isnt it?

King George VI · 07-04-2017 04:47PM

Falthyron wrote: »

Then clearly you don't understand how terrorism works.

Being interested in the news surrounding a terrorist attack and committing a terrorist attack are two vastly different things.

C Montgomery Gurns II · 07-04-2017 04:48PM

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Condolences to the family and friends of the victims. We'll I rather focus on the cause of the problem than a blanket blaming on all Muslims.

So what is the root cause of the problem?

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess at least one of the perpetrators was a Swedish born (or raised) man, of either North African or possibly Balkan heritage.

WTF does a Swede running down pedestrians have to do with the US bombing Iraq?

A Little Pony · 07-04-2017 04:50PM

Its like Europe is constructing its own funeral pyre. I dread thinking what the future generations will be doing when Islam is the dominate "religion" in Europe. The lucky people will be the ones who don't see it.

07-04-2017 04:53PM

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

I sympathise with the individuals killed and wounded on a personal level, but do I sympathise with the state of Sweden, with the Swedish electorate?

As cold as it sounds, not really.

They elect clowns who have overseen an epidemic of rape, murder, no go zones, welfare dependency, extremism.

They tolerate a media which doesn't even report this type of thing.

They mock and abuse civil servants such as the policeman a couple of weeks back who said most of his criminal caseload concerned new arrivals who would never be deported.

Sweden doesn't prosecute returning ISIS fighters. It doesn't ban them or strip them of citizenship. It has a programme to try and placate them by offering them improved benefits and housing upon their return.

Swedes were falling over themselves to take Donald Trump's comments about "last night in Sweden" deliberately out of context. Trying to paint it as a non existant terror attack when what he was referring to was a documentary he had watched the previous night.

Sweden is, in effect, a loser country that is reaping what it sows. Along with Germany, Canada under that gimp Treadeau and Holland- they had their chance with Wilders last month and they blew it. Straight Dutch men are currently walking the streets holding in hands in solidarity with a couple who were gay bashed by.....do I even need to tell you who.

And the fact is, we have to ask ourselves. Are we a loser country? Or on the way to becoming one?

In the midst of the biggest housing crisis this state has ever witnessed housing is allocated to new arrivals within 3 months of coming here. These people are subject to, at best, rudimentary background checks. We are a country with a media that refuses to publish the truth about Ibrahim Halawa and his family. We are a country that covers up the nationality/ background of those involved in a gang rape last year. We have taken zero action against the 30 plus Irish residents/ citizens who have fought with ISIS. We took 17 years to deport an ISIS recruiter to Jordan only a few weeks ago (and now our state is funding a case via legal aid to try and bring him back home. I wonder is his council house in South Dublin lying empty in case he returns?)

We are not quite at the level of the cuckistani nations like Germany, Canada and Sweden, but we are on the right track.

I wish I had my scorecard, definitely would've got bingo from that post.

07-04-2017 04:54PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its like Europe is constructing its own funeral pyre. I dread thinking what the future generations will be doing when Islam is the dominate "religion" in Europe. The lucky people will be the ones who don't see it.

Are you feeling lucky?

Rjd2 · 07-04-2017 04:54PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I would be in the camp of only giving it local news and not 24-hour international coverage that it seems to be. It is the same as school shootings and other aspects like that.

It's just going to make the people that committed the atrocities into "rock stars" (literally looking that way, if the Boston Marathon bombing Rolling Stone cover was anything to go by) and would even further these people's aims.

Or to play devils advocate surely you are just encouraging the loons to go even further and further to capture media attention?

C Montgomery Gurns II · 07-04-2017 04:57PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I wish I had my scorecard, definitely would've got bingo from that post.

If you were given a choice of guaranteeing that there would never be an Islamist terror attack in Ireland, or a child gang raped at a swimming pool, or two elderly men raped in a nursing home and the wife of one of the victims stabbed to death, or whatever other garbage happens in Germany and Sweden on an almost daily basis, would you take it? Or would offending people outweigh all of that?

Irish Praetorian · 07-04-2017 04:59PM

C Montgomery Gurns II wrote: »

Long reasonble argument

Darling you make a perfectly cogent and compelling argument, dont feel the need to clutter it up with all this "cuck" nonsense, it just doesnt come across well.

jaykay74 · 07-04-2017 05:00PM

This place is a freak show these days

Depp · 07-04-2017 05:00PM

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Condolences to the family and friends of the victims. We'll I rather focus on the cause of the problem than a blanket blaming on all Muslims.

then you're in agreement with 90% of people on here who want to discuss how islamism is to blame for this and for clarity i say again, Islamism does not mean Islam or all muslims.

Dirty Dingus McGee · 07-04-2017 05:01PM

Rjd2 wrote: »

Or to play devils advocate surely you are just encouraging the loons to go even further and further to capture media attention?

If they don't get media attention they can't attract as many followers and the job doesn't seem so glorious if it doesn't get so much attention.

That was the theory the cops in america had around the mass murderers over there and I suspect there is a fair degree of sense to it.

BoatMad · 07-04-2017 05:01PM

A Little Pony wrote: »

Its like Europe is constructing its own funeral pyre. I dread thinking what the future generations will be doing when Islam is the dominate "religion" in Europe. The lucky people will be the ones who don't see it.

gun crime in the US, will kill more people then radical Islam will ever in Europe

Irish Praetorian · 07-04-2017 05:01PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

This place is a freak show these days

Boards or europe? To be fair boards has always been wonderfully eccentric imo.

Il Fascista · 07-04-2017 05:01PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

This place is a freak show these days

Europe? Yeah, I agree. Boards only reflects that.

King George VI · 07-04-2017 05:02PM

My friend in Stockholm is trapped in a building and just sent me this pic she took of them arresting the suspect.

Make of it what you will.

tbh it looks like a lad I know from Finglas lol

Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

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