Truck driven into crowd in Stockholm - No Speculation

Tabnabs wrote: »

Truck was stolen/hijacked. Talk of three armed men seen emerging from truck after incident and one man has been arrested in the vicinity of the crash.

Be interesting to see if the Swedish government give there names or show there faces,

Hopefully the truck driver is ok these hard working men are getting it in the neck literally by these fcuking animals

pumpkin4life wrote: »

Europe is an insane asylum run by the inmates.



RIP to the victims.

Absolutely RIP to the victims and everyone wants to stop it.
What do you suggest doing that would make people call you a racist or bigot?

Il Fascista wrote: »

Is this your first terrorism thread? We get this every time.

"No" - guy on his second terrorism thread.

murpho999 wrote: »

Aren't all the major religions peaceful?

Not excusing their behaviour but its extremist muslims carrying out these acts.

Christians have done the same too.

IRA a good example as they thought that their catholic god was on their side.

On a few technical points, the IRA was closer to a revolutionary-socialist mindset than a theocratic one - I think they would have been more interested in having 'the people' on their side rather than 'the lord'.

In any case, the problem that remains is that while you might look back in history (or indeed the far flung parts of the world) to find Christians doing similar acts in the name of religion, when it comes to the sheer death toll of attacks and proximity to major European centres, Islamist attack pretty much have the monopoly.

On the question of wider peacefulness or culpability, to be frank I think the major problem that remains (which might not be 100 miles from the situation of Irish people during the troubles) is that the attitudes of the majority don't really matter, it is the violent minority that determines the course of affairs and that violent minority has been rather busy either in terrorist attacks within Europe or fighting for violent Jihadist groups abroad. I believe one stunning statistic showed as many or even more British Muslims fighting for ISIS than fighting in the British army.

Of course, this is taking the position that there is a binary state for Muslims as either loyal citizens or violent jihadists, which is clearly false. This presents another problem, namely the issue of non-violent extremists, that is to say populations of European Muslims who though non-violent, hold utterly abominable views on things like gay people, adultery and apostasy. Polling by Pew and others has shown some rather disturbing trends which would make people uncomfortable even if there was not one bomb involved.

So this essentially leaves the fairly troubling situation of a small number of violent extremists, backed up by a somewhat larger number of supporters existing within a demographic with still larger (albeit non-violent) support for many of those violent jihadis objectives. To put it another way, you have on the one hand the problem of the guys who attacked Charlie Hebdo, but then you have the problem of the people who essentially took the line that CH was asking for trouble.

Now this is and of itself would be pretty problematic for any society to get a grip on, except in addition to all this we have the problem of popular attitudes (which we've seen parodied in this thread already) to the issue which boil down to wanting to brush the problem under the carpet, decry anyone saying there is a problem as a racist, or just diminish the problem as insignificant. Surprisingly, that doesn't seem to be working any-more...

Sadly this was always on the cards to happen in Sweden.. Their policy of letting anybody into their country to live, was always going to come back and bite them on the arse..

Bacchus wrote: »

Reports of at least three people killed and you think you're being clever with a comment like that?

Whether you missed the point or not, you jumped to conclusions.

murpho999 wrote: »

Aren't all the major religions peaceful?

Not excusing their behaviour but its extremist muslims carrying out these acts.

Christians have done the same too.

IRA a good example as they thought that their catholic god was on their side.

Agree in part, Islam and Islamism are definitely different things, but can we not have this dissolve into a thread about how sh!t the ira/crusades were?

Lovely Bloke wrote: »

Could be Zoroastrians

Well known for it.

It's the gender neutrals.

Hey can someone bring up the Ira. I'm not feeling enough self loathing or guilt up in here.

Some religious orgasm might have driven the driver to do so.:(