Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

BlinkingLights · 29-03-2017 05:23PM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Eircodes now on TomTom:

@Dept_CCAE
#Eircodes now on @TomTom. The #Eircode will help customers of @TomTom improve their geocoding, routing, or other location services

That should mean Apple Maps will have it shortly

ukoda · 29-03-2017 09:07PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Any sign of Garmin?

They have responded to various tweets saying they are implementing it but didn't have a timeline yet.

ukoda · 29-03-2017 09:17PM

https://twitter.com/garmin/status/845358821946085377

Sam Russell · 30-03-2017 10:05AM

Maybe Garmin have lost their way on this project.

BlinkingLights · 30-03-2017 12:01PM

Sam Russell wrote: »

Maybe Garmin have lost their way on this project.

I don't find Garmin great. I was up in Iceland a couple of summers ago and there was no Garmin map available at all!!

I ended up using a Simmin prepay data SIM and Google Maps which worked flawlessly.

Alun · 30-03-2017 12:04PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

I don't find Garmin great. I was up in Iceland a couple of summers ago and there was no Garmin map available at all!!

It's most certainly included in the City Navigator Europe map. Did your Garmin only have the UK and Ireland map installed?

MBSnr · 30-03-2017 12:10PM

Eir are using Eircodes now to see if you are able to get 1Gb fibre to the home (FTTH).

http://fibrerollout.ie/eircode-lookup/

plodder · 30-03-2017 02:46PM

MBSnr wrote: »

Eir are using Eircodes now to see if you are able to get 1Gb fibre to the home (FTTH).

http://fibrerollout.ie/eircode-lookup/

That must be new. I've been complaining that such a lookup wasn't available ...

BlinkingLights · 30-03-2017 03:29PM

Alun wrote: »

It's most certainly included in the City Navigator Europe map. Did your Garmin only have the UK and Ireland map installed?

Iceland must be a recent addition then because it was unavailable two years ago. Lots of people seemed to be having the same issue with European maps installed.

I've largely given up on dedicated GPS units anyway.

Alun · 30-03-2017 03:42PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

Iceland must be a recent addition then because it was unavailable two years ago. Lots of people seemed to be having the same issue with European maps installed.

I've largely given up on dedicated GPS units anyway.

No, it's been included in the full European maps for a good while now, at least back to 2010, which is the oldest version I can still find information on. There used to be other map versions other than the whole of Europe, that just had UK, Ireland and parts of Western Europe to save size, and it was also possible when updating maps to restrict the maps installed, again due to memory constraints.

sondagefaux · 31-03-2017 07:27PM

plodder wrote: »

If 38 million is being spent on it, it'd be nice to know people are using it.

Lots of people are using it...

@autoaddress Mar 28
282,792 #Eircode API calls so far today

@autoaddress Mar 30
150,332 #Eircode API calls so far today

...including companies that won't use it for deliveries...

@eoinkernan 20 hours ago
Here's irony - @DHLExpressIre won't use Eircode to deliver parcel, yet they gave me an Eircode to get to depot to collect it. Explain that?

sondagefaux · 31-03-2017 07:29PM

plodder wrote: »

That must be new. I've been complaining that such a lookup wasn't available ...

Maybe if you stopped complaining now and again...

BlinkingLights · 31-03-2017 10:17PM

Alun wrote: »

No, it's been included in the full European maps for a good while now, at least back to 2010, which is the oldest version I can still find information on. There used to be other map versions other than the whole of Europe, that just had UK, Ireland and parts of Western Europe to save size, and it was also possible when updating maps to restrict the maps installed, again due to memory constraints.

Ah! It was actually TomTom!!

plodder · 01-04-2017 12:48AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Maybe if you stopped complaining now and again...

I complained about that last week. And it's working now. Sounds like a result to me.

Complaining is good. It's how standards are raised and things improved generally.

sondagefaux · 02-04-2017 09:57AM

plodder wrote: »

I complained about that last week. And it's working now. Sounds like a result to me.

Amazing! You've obviously got huge influence.

Could you complain that I haven't won the Euro Millions again this week?

plodder wrote: »

Complaining is good. It's how standards are raised and things improved generally.

Complaining about things over which you have no influence, or complaining that event X hasn't happened as quickly as you wanted it to happen (even though the reasons behind the timescale for its adoption are unknown to you), is generally rather pointless.

BlinkingLights · 02-04-2017 11:59AM

Still not working on Apple Maps. Apple's own T23 code in Cork gives me an address in Telford in Essex

Alun · 02-04-2017 12:24PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

Ah! It was actually TomTom!!

Thought so

swoofer · 02-04-2017 02:27PM

what model tom tom has the eircode facility?

plodder · 03-04-2017 07:58AM

sondagefaux wrote: »

Amazing! You've obviously got huge influence.

Could you complain that I haven't won the Euro Millions again this week?

Ha, very good. I have no idea whether my post influenced it at all. It's more that the complaint was a valid one, since it ended up being rectified.

Complaining about things over which you have no influence, or complaining that event X hasn't happened as quickly as you wanted it to happen (even though the reasons behind the timescale for its adoption are unknown to you), is generally rather pointless.

Not necessarily. If people didn't complain about Eircode, then no lessons would be learned from the design mistakes, from the process used to deliver it etc.

It's ironic though that my "complaint" in this instance was actually in support of it. You seem to be more interested in shutting me up, than discussing the ins and outs of Eircode.

Sam Russell · 03-04-2017 09:05AM

Mod: Cool it, please.

Sam

BlinkingLights · 03-04-2017 09:48AM

The only weird issue I've had is a couple of instances where I've provided my full address and eircode to two companies abroad and somehow it's been truncated to just my first line of the address and eircode.

The letter got delivered, but there was hand written correct address label on it from An Post.

In both cases it was German companies who did this.

I've also had a few instances where DHL have stripped off the last character of the code on pre-printed shipping labels, again from Germany.

I'm just wondering if perhaps Eircode needs to send out a bulletin to European post offices and shipping companies explaining that it's a 7-char code and the address should be left alone?

sondagefaux · 03-04-2017 08:06PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

The only weird issue I've had is a couple of instances where I've provided my full address and eircode to two companies abroad and somehow it's been truncated to just my first line of the address and eircode.

The letter got delivered, but there was hand written correct address label on it from An Post.

In both cases it was German companies who did this.

I've also had a few instances where DHL have stripped off the last character of the code on pre-printed shipping labels, again from Germany.

I'm just wondering if perhaps Eircode needs to send out a bulletin to European post offices and shipping companies explaining that it's a 7-char code and the address should be left alone?

I find many German companies are a bit weird about non-German addresses and their online forms don't really cater for non-German address formats.

It's not just a German thing: French, UK and US sites I've used don't seem to cater for foreign address formats either.

If the online form doesn't already have these headings (in German), then add them to the address information you input:

Strasse:

(Haus/Strasse)nummer:

Ort/Stadt:

(Bundesland/Kanton): used on Amazon.de - might not appear on other website forms

PLZ:

Land:

i.e. enter an Irish urban address as:

Strasse: Shop Street (including the word 'Strasse' if necessary)

(Haus)nummer: 24 (including the word '(Haus)nummer' if necessary)

Ort/Stadt: GALWAY (including...)

Bundesland/Kanton: CO. GALWAY (including...)

PLZ: H91BZ01 (including...)

Land: IRLAND (or IRELAND)

enter an Irish rural address as:

Strasse: BALLINABOY UPPER (including the word 'Strasse' before if necessary)

(Haus)nummer: 01 (make up any number) (including the word '(Haus)nummer' before if necessary)

Ort/Stadt: SWINFORD (use the post town associated with the Townland) (including...)
Bundesland/Kanton: CO. MAYO (including...)

PLZ: H91BZ01 (including...)

Land: IRLAND (or IRELAND)

Hopefully, the address label will then end up looking like these examples, although some German websites will only allow you to input a 5-character PLZ (PLZ = Postleitzahl = Postcode) (sometimes 6-character if they cater for other European addresses), and some of them will leave out the county name as they're only set up to print German/Austrian Länder names (possibly Swiss Canton names), ignoring any other information from other countries.

SHOP STREET, 24
GALWAY
CO. GALWAY
H91BZ01
IRLAND (or IRELAND)

or

BALLINABOY UPPER, 01
SWINFORD
CO. MAYO
H91BZ01
IRLAND (or IRELAND)

It's not really a postal service issue. It's a website form design issue - many websites are set up to deal only with address formats from the home country of the company operating the website and it's hit and miss whether or not a foreign address format will be printed out properly.

gctest50 · 03-04-2017 08:08PM

I've put it as the first line of the address on daft webforms - works fine

ukoda · 06-04-2017 10:49AM

There was discussion on a similar use of eircode on this thread before...

https://twitter.com/pinpointalerts/status/849616170709856256

BonnieSituation · 06-04-2017 11:01AM

Surely they could have used Loc8 for that job?

Or simple LatLongs?

plodder · 06-04-2017 11:05AM

ukoda wrote: »

There was discussion on a similar use of eircode on this thread before...

https://twitter.com/pinpointalerts/status/849616170709856256

I don't follow either. Would it not have been easier to do it with a map? Why did they have to go around knocking on doors?

ukoda · 06-04-2017 11:50AM

plodder wrote: »

I don't follow either. Would it not have been easier to do it with a map? Why did they have to go around knocking on doors?

I don't know the person or situation but my take from reading it is that they asked for eircode as part of the sign up process, which allowed them map their subscribers

ukoda · 06-04-2017 11:53AM

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Surely they could have used Loc8 for that job?

Or simple LatLongs?

I'm sure there are multiple ways of doing it, but they chose eircode which seemed to work very well for them

BonnieSituation · 06-04-2017 12:12PM

ukoda wrote: »

I'm sure there are multiple ways of doing it, but they chose eircode which seemed to work very well for them

I was kidding; given some other posters predilection for Loc8 etc.

gctest50 · 06-04-2017 12:38PM

Just as well it was Eircode that was implemented.

He wanted yellow signs on everything, thankfully all he can do now is photoshop and rant

https://twitter.com/loc8code/status/846041913958567940

https://twitter.com/loc8code/status/844559910918656001

Eircode - its implemetation (merged)

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