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New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    No interest in AP either, couldn't and wouldn't make peace with what he did.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,644 ✭✭✭D9Male


    Well said on AP, lads. I really didn't like him playing for the Vikings after his child abuse.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,274 ✭✭✭✭paulie21


    He left without a deal anyway. Thought Kraft had a strict policy on no players allowed with domestic abuse charges?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    Gronk and #12 at the Red Sox home opener

    https://twitter.com/PeteBlackburn/status/848958147066810372


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭TOss Sweep


    see reports resurfacing that the Pats want Sherman still. If this is true we must really want to win the bowl again this coming season if we are planning to go all out and get Sherman


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 313 ✭✭Kitsunegari


    paulie21 wrote: »
    He left without a deal anyway. Thought Kraft had a strict policy on no players allowed with domestic abuse charges?

    He did but I would imagine Bill will sign whoever he wants to sign. It's a stupid populist policy anyway IMO.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    Personally I don't care what footballers do off the field. I'm able to separate what I think of them as athletes and what I think of them outside of football. I could admit Hernandez is a scumbag. I could also admit that I'd still love to see him play for us.

    Might be controversial, but I don't care. I don't watch football for the sense of moral integrity these players represent. If they're wholesome, good people then I guess that's cool. But it's not a dealbreaker for me :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Personally I don't care what footballers do off the field. I'm able to separate what I think of them as athletes and what I think of them outside of football. I could admit Hernandez is a scumbag. I could also admit that I'd still love to see him play for us.

    Might be controversial, but I don't care. I don't watch football for the sense of moral integrity these players represent. If they're wholesome, good people then I guess that's cool. But it's not a dealbreaker for me :)
    I can separate the talk of them of them as athletes and what they are like off the field (i.e. AP is a hall of famer and a great player, but for me a scum bag).
    But I'm surprised you'd like to see Hernandez still want to play for us. I mean, murder's crossing the line (up there with child molestation, rape, etc..) that you don't come back from.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    I can separate the talk of them of them as athletes and what they are like off the field (i.e. AP is a hall of famer and a great player, but for me a scum bag).
    But I'm surprised you'd like to see Hernandez still want to play for us. I mean, murder's crossing the line (up there with child molestation, rape, etc..) that you don't come back from.

    I know all that, but honestly I just don't care what they do off the field.

    I wouldn't be cheering for Hernandez offing gang members, nor would I be jumping up and down at Peterson smacking his child. I'd be cheering for them catching passes, making big plays etc.

    Any favourite players I've ever had, it's never been because of what they're like off the field. It's what they've been like on the field (and in the locker room, I guess).

    I know that opinion isn't for everyone, but meh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,798 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    I know all that, but honestly I just don't care what they do off the field.

    I wouldn't be cheering for Hernandez offing gang members, nor would I be jumping up and down at Peterson smacking his child. I'd be cheering for them catching passes, making big plays etc.

    Any favourite players I've ever had, it's never been because of what they're like off the field. It's what they've been like on the field (and in the locker room, I guess).

    I know that opinion isn't for everyone, but meh.
    That's an extremely childish view tbh. Thank god that mentality is (slowly) dying out, and not just in sports.
    Anyone that commits a crime against a child is amongst the lowest of scumbags in this world (never mind murder), and just because they put a jersey on and start catching footballs shouldn't mean that they get praise and adulation.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    That's an extremely childish view tbh. Thank god that mentality is (slowly) dying out, and not just in sports. Anyone that commits a crime against a child is amongst the lowest of scumbags in this world (never mind murder), and just because they put a jersey on and start catching footballs shouldn't mean that they get praise and adulation.

    Well you could apply that "childish" logic anywhere then.

    Any major brands that have their production based in low cost sweatshops, or any meat products that are produced with animals kept in horrendous and confining conditions, anyone whose paid to go to Seaworld ... Do you avoid all of them due to the of lack moral integrity in their production?

    Peterson beating his child to me is the same as Apple factory workers killing themselves due to their working conditions. Yeah it sucks and it would be great if it didn't happen, but I'm still consuming the end product.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    That's an extremely childish view tbh. Thank god that mentality is (slowly) dying out, and not just in sports. Anyone that commits a crime against a child is amongst the lowest of scumbags in this world (never mind murder), and just because they put a jersey on and start catching footballs shouldn't mean that they get praise and adulation.

    Well you could apply that "childish" logic anywhere then.

    Any major brands that have their production based in low cost sweatshops, or any meat products that are produced with animals kept in horrendous and confining conditions, anyone whose paid to go to Seaworld ... Do you avoid all of them due to the of lack moral integrity in their production?

    Peterson beating his child to me isn't too far from Apple factory workers killing themselves due to their working conditions. Yeah it sucks and it would be great if it didn't happen, but I'm still consuming the end product.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    I can see how people may want Peterson did. People will have varied opinions on that.

    In terms of Apple products, low cost clothing, food production etc....; people are generally unaware of the worst those products cost in terms of "lack moral integrity in their production".

    But murder? Rape? Child molestation? I'd have thought they just cross the 'morality' line for most people.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,719 ✭✭✭JaMarcusHustle


    people are generally unaware of the worst those products cost in terms of "lack moral integrity in their production".

    Ignorance is rarely excuse.

    Look, I get it. People dislike what Peterson did and don't want him on the team. I completely understand that and I'm not saying that's an incorrect stance to take.

    All I'm saying is football is a consumable to me. And like many other things I consume, be it food or electronics or media or clothing, I'm happy to consume the end product knowing what goes on behind the scenes.

    Would I want Peterson on a team I personally owned or managed? Well no, because it's no longer something I'm just a consumer of in that scenario. I'd have to deal with the PR fallout from that.

    But as an armchair fan across the Atlantic who has nothing physically or financially tied to the Patriots, who watches football solely for entertainment purposes, it doesn't bother me what these players do off the field. Doesn't mean I condone it, but it's not going to stop me enjoying what they do on the field.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Ignorance is rarely excuse.
    Not an excuse, just the reason.
    Doesn't mean I condone it, but it's not going to stop me enjoying what they do on the field.
    To each to their own.
    I may not agree with you, but in an ever increasing PC world, I can appreciate someone's honest opinion.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    I can understand JaMarcus' stance.

    I don't want AP on the Patriots, but it doesn't stop me from picking him up in fantasy football, or enjoying his highlights when he has a big game.

    If he did sign for us though would I be turned off the team? No.
    Thinking about it honestly, my outrage against his actions would only stretch so far it seems....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Well I've a kind of different but similar view. I don't go around looking for news about a player off the field and I don't really care about it. Sometimes though the news gets through whether you like it or not and then my opinion of the player changes.

    There is no way I'd ever want to see Hernandez play football again never mind play for the Patriots. Peterson would be a bit different because I'd be hopeful he has learned a lesson and is a better person for it. I'd never treat a child that way and I am a parent but as long as he makes up for it then I'd be willing to forgive him.

    There certainly is a line and if they cross it then they are finished as far as I'm concerned. Murder, rape, and sex crimes against kids are over the top. Beating the living **** out of a woman too is just unforgivable imo.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,012 ✭✭✭BizzyC


    eagle eye wrote: »
    There certainly is a line and if they cross it then they are finished as far as I'm concerned. Murder, rape, and sex crimes against kids are over the top. Beating the living **** out of a woman too is just unforgivable imo.

    Personally I'd feel the same... but if someone guilty of those crimes signed for the Pats, would you stop watching football or would you continue to support them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,976 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    BizzyC wrote: »
    Personally I'd feel the same... but if someone guilty of those crimes signed for the Pats, would you stop watching football or would you continue to support them?
    I'll always support the team but I'd be feeling a bit numb whenever that player is involved.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys




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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Looks like Blount is gone, if Bills don't match
    Patriots have signed restricted free agent running back Mike Gillislee to an offer sheet.

    The deal is worth $6.4 million over two years, with $4 million in the first year.

    If the Bills don’t match, the Patriots would owe them a fifth-round pick for the running back.

    Amendola has took a paycut again this year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭j8wk2feszrnpao


    Hazys wrote: »
    Looks like Blount is gone, if Bills don't match
    I have no problem with that.
    Hazys wrote: »
    Amendola has took a paycut again this year.
    He's come up with big plays/moments come playoff time, but major issues staying healthy for the 16 regular season games. Happy to have him on board another year, but it'll probably be the last.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    Butler signed his RFA tender so he's eligible to be traded.

    Reports out of New Orleans are saying the Pats have a handshake agreement in place to trade Butler for the 32nd pick. So barring a contract issue Butler is gone.

    Not surprising even though I really wanted to keep Butler alongside Gilmore but after paying Gilmore and having no pick in the first 2 rounds it was low odds of happening. I fully expect BB to trade the 32nd pick for more picks on draft day.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys


    I wouldn't be too upset if we got a first for Butler and signed Jason McCourty who would probably come at a discount because of his brother.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,148 ✭✭✭Mr. Guappa


    Tre Jackson released.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 4,149 Mod ✭✭✭✭bruschi


    Hazys wrote: »
    Butler signed his RFA tender so he's eligible to be traded.

    Reports out of New Orleans are saying the Pats have a handshake agreement in place to trade Butler for the 32nd pick. So barring a contract issue Butler is gone.

    Not surprising even though I really wanted to keep Butler alongside Gilmore but after paying Gilmore and having no pick in the first 2 rounds it was low odds of happening. I fully expect BB to trade the 32nd pick for more picks on draft day.

    If that agreement is indeed in place, then why has Butler taken so long to get the trade sorted? Nothing could be done without him signing. Maybe it's just hope more than sense, but I'm not convinced he is leaving this season.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,487 ✭✭✭✭StringerBell


    If Butler does go it surely opens the door for the McCourty twins to play some ball together in the pro's

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,864 ✭✭✭empacher


    White signed a three year extension


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,173 ✭✭✭✭kmart6


    Somewhat Patriots related, Aaron Hernandez committed suicide last night.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,317 ✭✭✭HigginsJ


    Awful to read that, never nice to see someone take their own life regardless.


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