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BE strike [Read 1st post before posting]

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  • #1862
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,595 ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    devnull wrote: »
    fxotoole wrote: »
    So just shy of 30k with no working on Sundays, rostering, etc, etc...

    Both sides said basic is €32k so the figures don't look correct. 
    The 30K quote is basic multiplied by 48. Taking into account that they don't work holidays but not taking into account that they are paid for holdiays.

    AlmightyCushion wrote: »
    CIARAN_BOYLE wrote: »
    To me it suggests that if city bus drivers don't get overtime then the expressway drivers average is probably closer to €60K than €47K.
    I say to drivers why are you supporting these people on twice your salaries getting benefits that you don't get and why do you take the money from your families so that you can strike on their behalf. They won't support you.

    Fearmongering. They start off with these guys but once they have their way here they'll come for you next. It was the same with Tesco. I knew a few people who were affected by the recent goings on at Tesco that led to strikes. They actually had no problems with what Tesco were proposing (things like increased flexibility, I think they were getting a small pay increase for it too) but the unions said if they let them change their contract over this, then the next thing they'd do is come after their pay.
    I was thinking it was like the Tesco dispute alright.


  • #1863
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Few people should go on that Facebook thread and set them straight, I can't since it's blocked in work, but it's getting shared quite a lot despite the fact that it's pretty deceptive if you ask me.

    It gives off the impression that they are losing 30% of core pay.


  • #1864
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Do the drivers actually think that people are idiots and will fall for this 30k salary?

    1. No-one's wages are based on 48 weeks a year
    2. They all get the shift allowance-none of them work 9 to 5
    3. They get 125 extra for working a Sunday-who else in a company that's open 7 days gets this payment?
    4. They get their "standard" 6 hours overtime

    One of the complaints he seems to be making is that they don't get paid their extra allowances when they're on holidays-who the fcuk does?

    It's unreal the spin they're trying to put on it and if they think anyone apart from the very stupid are falling for it then they're sorely mistaken.


  • #1865
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The biggest thing in that part is saying that they are on 30k and are taking a 30% cut, that is such a dishonest claim.


  • #1866
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Dismissed staff apparently are in Munster according to Irisih Times

    I was going to say perhaps the ones who disrupted the GoBe bus but I believe they were NBRU?


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  • #1867
    Heisenberg1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,511 ✭✭✭Heisenberg1


    Does anybody have any concrete figures on what the drivers are on?


  • #1868
    eeguy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Heisenberg1 wrote: »
    Does anybody have any concrete figures on what the drivers are on?

    Low 30s to high 40s depending on years served, pay scales, shift work and allowances.

    They're not all paid the same.


  • #1869
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,829 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    devnull wrote: »
    Dismissed staff apparently are in Munster according to Irisih Times perhaps the ones who disrupted the GoBe bus?

    links?


  • #1870
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/little-optimism-as-new-bus-eireann-strike-talks-begin-1.3037418
    Siptu sector organiser Willie Noone said the union had members in Munster who had been dismissed, while others had had their pay cut by €250 - €300 per week.

    But come to think if ot the people who were involved with the GoBe bus were NBRU from reports so maybe it's not related after all, my mistake.


  • #1871
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    Heisenberg1 wrote: »
    Does anybody have any concrete figures on what the drivers are on?

    Basic pay is around 32k. With shift pay and overtime the average is 47k. Some earn over 60k.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bus-%C3%A9ireann-proposes-route-closures-sharp-cuts-to-staff-earnings-1.2982036?mode=amp


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  • #1872
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    Any updates on talks?


  • #1873
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,573 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    devnull wrote: »
    Few people should go on that Facebook thread and set them straight, I can't since it's blocked in work, but it's getting shared quite a lot despite the fact that it's pretty deceptive if you ask me.

    It gives off the impression that they are losing 30% of core pay.

    in your opinion it's deceptive. in the drivers opinion it's accurate. so as they technically would know the true wage there really is nothing to "set them straight" on in my view, as the target audience aren't going to believe anyone who contradicts the drivers. so one would be wasting their time trying.
    devnull wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/little-optimism-as-new-bus-eireann-strike-talks-begin-1.3037418



    But come to think if ot the people who were involved with the GoBe bus were NBRU from reports so maybe it's not related after all, my mistake.

    they could have been dismissed before the strike also.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #1874
    L1011
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,769 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    end of the road wrote: »
    in your opinion it's deceptive. in the drivers opinion it's accurate.

    Presenting 48 weeks of wages as a full year figure is deceptive - no two ways about it


  • #1875
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    end of the road wrote: »
    in your opinion it's deceptive. in the drivers opinion it's accurate. so as they technically would know the true wage there really is nothing to "set them straight" on in my view.

    It states that drivers are facing a 30% paycut. It's completely false.

    People can make stuff up on Facebook all they want, it won't make BE solvent.


  • #1876
    WomanSkirtFan8
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 768 ✭✭✭WomanSkirtFan8


    end of the road wrote: »
    they could have been dismissed before the strike also.

    Extremely unlikely seeing as they would have to have extremely solid ground legally for any form of dismissal. Otherwise, they'd be open to legal action by the unions on the grounds of unfair dismissal.:rolleyes:


  • #1877
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    end of the road wrote: »
    as they technically would know the true wage there really is nothing to "set them straight" on in my view, as the target audience aren't going to believe anyone who contradicts the drivers. so one would be wasting their time trying.

    Drivers may very well be best placed to provide the most accurate figures, however, it's against their best interests to do so. They stand to gain more sympathy by manipulating the figures downwards, to make themselves look hard done by. So I don't blame people for being sceptical about the figures provided in the Facebook post.


  • #1878
    pilly
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    end of the road wrote: »
    in your opinion it's deceptive. in the drivers opinion it's accurate. so as they technically would know the true wage there really is nothing to "set them straight" on in my view, as the target audience aren't going to believe anyone who contradicts the drivers. so one would be wasting their time trying.



    they could have been dismissed before the strike also.

    Wages aren't a matter of opinion EOTR, they're facts. I know you like to just throw out random opinions on things with no back up or actual facts but when it comes to wages they're not a matter of opinion.

    Please try to be more sensible and logical in your posts because all you're managing to do right now is turn people right off the drivers.


  • #1879
    ixoy
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 18,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭ixoy


    If just one driver is losing 30% of their gross pay based on overtime then the unions will feel free to state the highly misleading : Drivers stand to lose up to 30%.Never mind that it could be just one driver and forget the net pay bit..


  • #1880
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    ixoy wrote: »
    If just one driver is losing 30% of their gross pay based on overtime then the unions will feel free to state the highly misleading : Drivers stand to lose up to 30%.Never mind that it could be just one driver and forget the net pay bit..

    I've seen interviews with a driver facing a cut from about 48k to 42k.(12.5%). That matches the BE figures and the complaints from AAA about a 6k paycut.

    I'm inclined to think that the 30% figure is just made up, given that neither the unions or the AAA have mentioned anything like that amount.


  • #1881
    devnull
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 11,911 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    kiaronh wrote: »
    I'm inclined to think that the 30% figure is just made up, given that neither the unions or the AAA have mentioned anything like that amount.

    Could be true though for the people apparently on around 60k and typical union posturing.

    Quote pay of lowest and cut of highest


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  • #1882
    FA Hayek
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,084 ✭✭✭FA Hayek


    end of the road wrote: »
    devnull wrote: »
    Few people should go on that Facebook thread and set them straight, I can't since it's blocked in work, but it's getting shared quite a lot despite the fact that it's pretty deceptive if you ask me.

    It gives off the impression that they are losing 30% of core pay.

    in your opinion it's deceptive. in the drivers opinion it's accurate. so as they technically would know the true wage there really is nothing to "set them straight" on in my view, as the target audience aren't going to believe anyone who contradicts the drivers. so one would be wasting their time trying.
    devnull wrote: »
    http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/little-optimism-as-new-bus-eireann-strike-talks-begin-1.3037418



    But come to think if ot the people who were involved with the GoBe bus were NBRU from reports so maybe it's not related after all, my mistake.

    they could have been dismissed before the strike also.
    This is flat earther mentality right here. The figures do not lie, There are 52 weeks in a year, not 48. Of course they are entitled to their opinion and we are entitled to call bull **** on these luddites.


  • #1883
    lawred2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,829 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    can't access facebook here - can anyone do a simple copy and paste so I can see what this is all about?


  • #1884
    fxotoole
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,661 ✭✭✭fxotoole


    lawred2 wrote: »
    can't access facebook here - can anyone do a simple copy and paste so I can see what this is all about?

    see post 1841

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=103126015&postcount=1841


  • #1885
    Hilly Bill
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,051 ✭✭✭Hilly Bill


    kiaronh wrote: »
    Basic pay is around 32k. With shift pay and overtime the average is 47k. Some earn over 60k.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/bus-%C3%A9ireann-proposes-route-closures-sharp-cuts-to-staff-earnings-1.2982036?mode=amp

    The basic pay is shocking unless it's the net pay without the expenses, but did they settle for the expenses instead of seeking a better basic?


  • #1886
    jimmycrackcorm
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,356 ✭✭✭✭jimmycrackcorm


    Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote:
    I've said this before, and it's probably politically impracticable, but the Free Travel pass has to be abolished entirely. A subsidised Travel Card is more than fair, it's what most other countries do. You can never run a proper service if every second person using it is paying nothing!

    Abolishing the FTP won't make any difference. Less journeys on buses with more empty seats, and no extra funding helping run unprofitable routes.
    kiaronh wrote:
    People can make stuff up on Facebook all they want, it won't make BE solvent.

    Reminds me of the photo shared on FB of a huge water bill. Not a single comment to suggest BTW you should probably get that leak fixed.


  • #1887
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 55,029 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    The basic pay is shocking unless it's the net pay without the expenses, but did they settle for the expenses instead of seeking a better basic?

    Workers should fight for a better basic pay.
    Having to work overtime to boost your wages is not the way to go.


  • #1888
    kiaronh
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kiaronh


    Hilly Bill wrote: »
    The basic pay is shocking unless it's the net pay without the expenses, but did they settle for the expenses instead of seeking a better basic?

    32k is the median wage for a full time worker in Ireland.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/super-rich-or-super-angry-where-are-you-on-ireland-s-income-pyramid-1.2104861?mode=amp

    It also seems to be close to the average earnings of a driver in the private sector.


  • #1889
    Gael23
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,108 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    Abolishing the FTP won't make any difference. Less journeys on buses with more empty seats, and no extra funding helping run unprofitable routes.

    That would bring down the government and make the whole situation even worse.


  • #1890
    Brendan Bendar
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,550 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Workers should fight for a better basic pay.
    Having to work overtime to boost your wages is not the way to go.

    Sure they should,however the real problem is that the employer must be able to survive on the wages paid and keep the company going.

    Sod all use paying your employees €X when your costs are €X+1,and your competitors are paying €X-1 .


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  • #1891
    mikemac2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,998 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    I did google but didn't find anything which is not surprising I suppose

    If I am a SIPTU or NBRU member on the picket line how much do I get per day in strike pay?

    I'm know it's not much, just wondering really.


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