NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

rob808 · 04-04-2017 06:01PM

plodder wrote: »

Some part of the Eir contract is to be withheld. I don't really see why any part of it should be.

I say it for legal reason why they can't show it.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 06:05PM

KOR101 wrote: »

So 40,000 passed by end March 2017. I call BS.

Yes, according to my calculations they are already way off that figure. Makes you wonder what oversight the Department is doing.

rob808 · 04-04-2017 06:07PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Yes, according to my calculations they are already way off that figure. Makes you wonder what oversight the Department is doing.

would they be counting FTTC connections with that figure.

KOR101 · 04-04-2017 06:08PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Yes, according to my calculations they are already way off that figure. Makes you wonder what oversight the Department is doing.

Maybe EIR is already paying penalties.

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 06:09PM

plodder wrote: »

Some part of the Eir contract is to be withheld. I don't really see why any part of it should be. from photo above it looks like it's the monetary amount of the fine.:rolleyes: I see the 10% VDSL in the presentation also.

Commercially sensitive information cannot be published.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 06:13PM

rob808 wrote: »

would they be counting FTTC connections with that figure.

I don't think so. Adrian Weckler specifically says it is the FTTH schedule.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 06:13PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Maybe EIR is already paying penalties.

Lol.

plodder · 04-04-2017 06:18PM

Johnboy1951 wrote: »

Commercially sensitive information cannot be published.

What? How can it be commercially sensitive? It goes to the whole credibility of it, to know all the details.

More info in the presentation. If they don't deliver any premises then they go back into the amber area, and Eir are liable for any resulting costs. That doesn't sound like a penalty at all. The minister went on to say that was as far as they could push Eir. Fair enough to be honest about that. But, it looks like a good deal for Eir.

AidenL · 04-04-2017 07:00PM

vkid wrote: »

Looking at that map, I can't imagine Siro or enet are too happy.
Eircom seem to have gone with some seriously easy pickings in terms of the areas selected.(going by the areas I know)

And oddly, looking at where I live, seems the NBP will have the easiest, closest route to homes which are closest to the town centre, whereas the light blue Eir dots are far further from town, and harder to get to.

KeRbDoG wrote: »

Umm, I have close neighbours close to me which would have less than 30Mbps. In a mad world, I wonder if when getting FTTH to their address and since they would pass an address with >30Mbps would they also run fiber to those addressees? Would seem silly they wouldn't

I can't understand that either - so seriously, Eir will run fibre past all the houses highlighted in Amber , in the blue area of this map, to connect up the light blue highlighted homes, which will be far further out? But not offer a connection to those closer?

And all the amber highlighted dots in this area where I live have no fibre connection currently. So the Eir rollout, further away geographically, will pass by non-fibre enabled homes and leave them to the NBP??

I don't comprehend that??

SkepticQuark · 04-04-2017 07:03PM

Anyone like me who hates poor journalism, please don't listen to Matt Cooper interviewing Naughten there at around 6PM.

Dero · 04-04-2017 07:08PM

roddy15 wrote: »

Anyone like me who hates poor journalism, please don't listen to Matt Cooper interviewing Naughten there at around 6PM.

I turned it off long before it got to him. He had some utter clown on claiming that wireless and a fleet of low Earth orbit satellites were the answer rather than fibre, and that a fleet of these would be in orbit before the NBP was complete. I had to turn it off as I was actually shouting at the radio...

user1842 · 04-04-2017 07:15PM

I wish this was given to ESB/Vofafone to do the entire roll-out. You could get rid of all the telephones poles in the countryside and just have one cable entering your house. It would save so much network maintenance costs in the long run and thus reduce internet costs.

But alas, it was not to be

ACLFC7 · 04-04-2017 07:42PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Yes, according to my calculations they are already way off that figure. Makes you wonder what oversight the Department is doing.

Could Eir be including the figures from the 60 rural towns?

KOR101 · 04-04-2017 07:43PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Adrian Weckler has posted the rollout schedule that eir have apparently agreed to.

https://twitter.com/adrianweckler/status/849225362366189570

Does anyone know the contract is available?

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 07:44PM

KOR101 wrote: »

Does anyone know the contract is available?

http://www.dccae.gov.ie/documents/Commitment%20Agreement.pdf

BlinkingLights · 04-04-2017 07:44PM

ACLFC7 wrote: »

Could Eir be including the figures from the 60 rural towns?

And are they including suburban places like Swords and Carrigaline as "rural Ireland"

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 07:48PM

BlinkingLights wrote: »

And are they including suburban places like Swords and Carrigaline as "rural Ireland"

Yes 300 premises in Carrigaline and 490 in Swords

http://www.openeir.ie/news/First-rural-FTTH-locations-announced/

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 07:51PM

ACLFC7 wrote: »

Could Eir be including the figures from the 60 rural towns?

I think that is unlikely to be happening.

SkepticQuark · 04-04-2017 07:51PM

Dero wrote: »

I turned it off long before it got to him. He had some utter clown on claiming that wireless and a fleet of low Earth orbit satellites were the answer rather than fibre, and that a fleet of these would be in orbit before the NBP was complete. I had to turn it off as I was actually shouting at the radio...

Yeah in his interview he started claiming to Naughten that people would be better off waiting for satellite broadband to improve since it's "improving at a rate of knots". For a half of it, he was just ranting about "Well how many homes has the NBP served to date???" If I was Naughten I would have given him a right bashing with the amount of misinformation and utter bull**** he was coming out with.

digiman · 04-04-2017 07:58PM

roddy15 wrote: »

Yeah in his interview he started claiming to Naughten that people would be better off waiting for satellite broadband to improve since it's "improving at a rate of knots". For a half of it, he was just ranting about "Well how many homes has the NBP served to date???" If I was Naughten I would have given him a right bashing with the amount of misinformation and utter bull**** he was coming out with.

Why didn't DN just answer the question, he made a total balls of his answer. Matt basically asked him how many homes have been connected as part of NBP? The answer is 0, but DN said it all homes in Ireland minus the ones that are part of NBP. Neither came across very well to be fair.

SkepticQuark · 04-04-2017 08:01PM

digiman wrote: »

Why didn't DN just answer the question, he made a total balls of his answer. Matt basically asked him how many homes have been connected as part of NBP? The answer is 0, but DN said it all homes in Ireland minus the ones that are part of NBP. Neither came across very well to be fair.

Yeah, I was shouting "ZERO" at the radio. I would have ripped into Matt though honestly because he clearly didn't even understand the situation with the NBP or does know but was trying to actually get Naughten to say "none" so then he could "AH HA! See your plan is broken! Another broken promise!" That's what it felt like to me.

KOR101 · 04-04-2017 08:15PM

@Navi........what do you make of this on p.33) ?

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Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 08:34PM

P. 28

1.2.1
Subject to the terms of the Agreement, as at the Effective Date the Minister has confirmed that eir has met Milestone 1 and the Minister's decision is pending on whether eir has met Milestone 2. Subject to the terms of the Agreement, on and from the Effective Date eir shall meet the Milestones 3 to 9, as set out in the table below:

It seems that eir have been complying with milestones since Oct last (or attempting to).

Johnboy1951 · 04-04-2017 09:05PM

AidenL wrote: »

And oddly, looking at where I live, seems the NBP will have the easiest, closest route to homes which are closest to the town centre, whereas the light blue Eir dots are far further from town, and harder to get to.

I can't understand that either - so seriously, Eir will run fibre past all the houses highlighted in Amber , in the blue area of this map, to connect up the light blue highlighted homes, which will be far further out? But not offer a connection to those closer?

And all the amber highlighted dots in this area where I live have no fibre connection currently. So the Eir rollout, further away geographically, will pass by non-fibre enabled homes and leave them to the NBP??

I don't comprehend that??

It seems to me to be simply because eir is likely to connect up those premises with a subsidy from the gov because they are in the NBP listing.
There might also be some physical reason for not doing them initially and so might need to charge extra for connections.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 09:28PM

KOR101 wrote: »

@Navi........what do you make of this on p.33) ?

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It is in complete contradiction with the numbers I have. I have taken all the data from the map on openeir.ie so unless the are using some other source of data something is amiss.

daraghwal · 04-04-2017 09:39PM

Talking about NBP on primetime now.

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 09:47PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Talking about NBP on primetime now.

Naughten bigging up Imagine as a stopgap service!

daraghwal · 04-04-2017 09:51PM

Siena Gigantic Backyard wrote: »

Naughten bigging up Imagine as a stopgap service!

Anyone get the sense that it's already eir's NBP contract by the way he's talking? Not saying it's a bad thing but just got the sense when he said the winner of the contract can build on the network that will be there for the first 300,000 homes. Isn't eir the only company can use the splitters etc. that they put up during the 300,000?

tsue921i8wljb3 · 04-04-2017 09:54PM

daraghwal wrote: »

Anyone get the sense that it's already eir's NBP contract by the way he's talking?

They have to be odds on favourite at this stage alright.

marno21 · 04-04-2017 09:56PM

Discussion with The Last Word "tech expert" Andy O'Donoghue on the NBP today.

"Wires should not have a part in this plan". I won't go on a rant but the level of misinformation here is shocking.

http://www.filedropper.com/thelastword04april1

NBP: National Broadband Plan Announced

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