Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Cornerback1 · 02-04-2017 10:01PM

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

Dionysis · 02-04-2017 10:02PM

Topcat32 wrote: »

Eoin Murphy, Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley, Paul Murphy, Richie Hogan, TJ Reid, Conor Fogarty, Walter Walsh, Colin Fennelly, Ger Aylward, Michael Fennelly, im counting 11 strong players with promising players like Jason Cleere, Liam Blanchfield, Richie Leahy to add to number, we are nowhere near as strong as a few years ago but id be confident we will be competitive, can you remember back to the 2011 league final, optimistic guys like you were saying the same we are doomed things then as well.

Of those names you mentioned I would remove - Walter, Colin, Ger (played one good season).
Michael Fennelly will Probably not play again.

Buckley, Fogarty and Walsh are decent, but not very good.

TJ, Richie and Murphy are very good.

usualstripes · 02-04-2017 10:05PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

Our full back line with Paul murphy padraig walsh are not the problem. Would love to see delaney getting in there but hasn't happened yet. Joyce might be an option if he is not going to try delaney

Topcat32 · 02-04-2017 10:06PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Of those names you mentioned I would remove - Walter, Colin, Ger (played one good season).
Michael Fennelly will Probably not play again.

Buckley, Fogarty and Walsh are decent, but not very good.

TJ, Richie and Murphy are very good.

Don't agree with any of that outside of us possibly not seeing Michael Fennelly play again.

usualstripes · 02-04-2017 10:06PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

Our full back line with Paul murphy padraig walsh are not the problem. Would love to see delaney getting in there but hasn't happened yet. Joyce might be an option if he is not going to try delaney

Dionysis · 02-04-2017 10:07PM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

KK need a full back and a centre back with a bit of bite in them. So what if they are not the finished article, but Cody should play the best we have and continues ye with it until they learn the role. Padraig Walsh is no full back.

As an aside, when Ireland were struggling for props the time of the Bull Hayes,the IRFU took it upon themselves to develop a number of options in this area in the coming years. Maybe KK development squads along with Cody need to take a lesson from rugby here and start developing talent for roles rather than trying to shoe horn in s make shift full back.

fdsfdsahhertdd · 02-04-2017 10:23PM

davidx40 wrote: »

... much blather deleted ... as for walter needing to improve with his fielding good luck with that for his size he must be worst i ever see trying to catch a ball

I see the up-thumb button.
I can't find the thumb-down - we need one for nasty posts like this.

dubcat51 · 02-04-2017 10:37PM

People need to get a grip.were doomed tipp will dominate for next 5 years😀.todays result has reflected the league this year for all the teams.good and bad from all counties except tipp.3 1b teams won today are cork and waterford doomed as well.different team and conditions come summer.we will be in the shake up im sure.

blackcard · 02-04-2017 10:47PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

KK need a full back and a centre back with a bit of bite in them. So what if they are not the finished article, but Cody should play the best we have and continues ye with it until they learn the role. Padraig Walsh is no full back.

As an aside, when Ireland were struggling for props the time of the Bull Hayes,the IRFU took it upon themselves to develop a number of options in this area in the coming years. Maybe KK development squads along with Cody need to take a lesson from rugby here and start developing talent for roles rather than trying to shoe horn in s make shift full back.

So who is the full back and centre back that should be playing?

PaulKK · 02-04-2017 10:55PM

Well deserved win for Wexford today you couldn't argue with the result and it could of been worse.

Really think we need to look at our forwards. None seem to be able to win their own ball (tj/Richie exceptions) at the moment. This has been happening throughout the league and is worrying.

Why Richie was out midfield was beyond me too.

Frustrating to see long balls pumped down time after time and sent right back out again. Even with the short puckouts nothing changed tactically, PW etc just lobbed long ball in again.

I would have liked to see a few more sub's thrown in today to the forwards also.

Don't think we are quite as bad as we showed today but there's still a lot of mistakes that need to be tightened up on. More shocking passes etc today that just cost scores.

Cornerback1 · 02-04-2017 10:56PM

blackcard wrote: »

Dionysis wrote: »

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Wexford were agressive and wanted a battle. They dominated all over the pitch. They deserved to win and win by more in fairness. Only for Scruff Murphy they could have scored another 3 goals. Top keeper in Ireland.

This season has been a learning curve for the younger lads and that's a positive.

Big thing for me is, after all these games, I don't think we are any further on interms of our defence - specifically our full back line. Every time runners burst through, I fear a goal opportunity.

Hopefully this will be used to motivate the lads in June. Wexford had an edge to them.

KK need a full back and a centre back with a bit of bite in them. So what if they are not the finished article, but Cody should play the best we have and continues ye with it until they learn the role. Padraig Walsh is no full back.

As an aside, when Ireland were struggling for props the time of the Bull Hayes,the IRFU took it upon themselves to develop a number of options in this area in the coming years. Maybe KK development squads along with Cody need to take a lesson from rugby here and start developing talent for roles rather than trying to shoe horn in s make shift full back.

So who is the full back and centre back that should be playing?

I'd try Joyce at No. 3 - work on his speed and turning over the next 2 months.

I think Padraig, at wing back, is capable of playing in decent deliveries to the forwards.

unrealtime · 02-04-2017 11:00PM

Very bad and worrying. No more meaningful matches to try says James Maher and we need Ger and Mick. I think Joey is worth a run at full back again with say Padraig at left full and Paul on thr right. Buckley has to go back to half back with say Cleere and Fogarty.

dubcat51 · 02-04-2017 11:01PM

Dionysis wrote: »

Of those names you mentioned I would remove - Walter, Colin, Ger (played one good season).
Michael Fennelly will Probably not play again.

Buckley, Fogarty and Walsh are decent, but not very good.

TJ, Richie and Murphy are very good.

Buckley walsh and fogarty not very good your definitely having a laugh😃

Topcat32 · 03-04-2017 12:06AM

The league is over for us and even though I can still see us as being competitive this season, its fair to say that it has been pretty dissapointing. Only the Tipp match and to a lesser extent the second half against Cork have been enjoyable to watch.

The players that I would see that have maintained or enhanced their reputation would be as follows: Eoin Murphy, Conor O'Shea, Conor Fogarty, Liam Blanchfield, Richie Leahy, Pat Lyng, Jason Cleere and Paddy Deegan

Paul Murphy and Richie Hogan had poor leagues by their standards and to be honest seemed a bit disinterested at times

Walter and Colin mixed the ok with the very average, both were impacted by injury

Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley were ok but dont look really comfortable in the positions they have been asked to play.

TJ was good at times but I think his workrate could have been better.

Evan Cody and Sean Morrissey got starts but theirs debuts didnt go well.

With a lot of experience gone from the dressing room I think we are lacking some leadership on the field as well, one thing I noticed against Dublin was how quiet the players were to each other, lads like Shefflin used to be pretty open in letting the rest of the team know when he was unhappy.

Larkin had a go at the younger players after the Clare match, I think its been the more experienced players who have been dissapointing during this league, which can partly be explained by injury, being played out of position and possibly that another league medal wouldnt mean a huge amount to multipe all ireland winners

68deville · 03-04-2017 12:24AM

I hope Cody plays Holden at FB again , come championship chances are he will be on Guiney at the edge of the square

Dionysis · 03-04-2017 08:17AM

Quite simply, the backs have no bite. Tipp, Wexford yesterday, Waterford and Galway backs all have an edge to them. Some go over the top with dragging and shoving off the ball but they all have bite. We have.... anything but. It's 2001 all over again. Our players are getting out muscled and out fought all over the pitch.

The biggest issue with the backs is that the opposition all know to isolate them. Every team does it against us now. Why Cody doesn't keep his full back line and half back line back with his midfield sitting tight as well and shore up the space I don't know. Tipp did it last Sept and Wexford did it yesterday.

The division 1b teams that won yesterday were; Galway beat Waterford, hardly a surprise; limerick beat cork, I'd have thought limerick to have been a better side. And wexford who have got their focus and fight back coupled with some good youngsters over the past few years.

Yesterday and this years league is coming with the last few years. The county boards lip service to the U-21 championship is now costing us. Players that are years off the required physical and mental standard to play senior intercounty hurling. Cody is a fantastic manager but he's not Jesus. He cannot make wine out of water.

Village87 · 03-04-2017 08:21AM

Davy Fitz knows how to beat kilkenny, twice i the last 2 years so far. Stop TJ, he has been carrying the team the last few years. Most scores come through him either directly or indirectly.

People who are saying Paul Murphy was good yesterday need to have a good look at the game again.

The full back line were cleaned even playing with extra men. Wexford could have had 5 goals. Murphy is all over the place and needs to go, he has been awful in the league so far, as for Shane Pender, i wouldn't have him on the Village team, and im not joking

Dionysis · 03-04-2017 08:23AM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Buckley walsh and fogarty not very good your definitely having a laughðŸ˜႒

Buckley and Walsh got cleaned out in last years all Ireland. They are good players but not better than that. The thing is, as they are all we have people think they are excellent, they're not. They are not in the TJ and Richie calibre of player.

Dionysis · 03-04-2017 08:25AM

Village87 wrote: »

Davy Fitz knows how to beat kilkenny, twice i the last 2 years so far. Stop TJ, he has been carrying the team the last few years. Most scores come through him either directly or indirectly.

People who are saying Paul Murphy was good yesterday need to have a good look at the game again.

The full back line were cleaned even playing with extra men. Wexford could have had 5 goals. Murphy is all over the place and needs to go, he has been awful in the league so far, as for Shane Pender, i wouldn't have him on the Village team, and im not joking

Murphy is having a bad time, but he'll come good again, probably not soon enough though.
Pender is not up to This standard i agree.

JJs Left Hand · 03-04-2017 09:00AM

I agree with a lot of what you say but I'm not having anyone saying PW is just a "good" hurler. He's brilliant and is suffering for having to cover for those around him. He'd be unreal in the half forward line.

Village87 · 03-04-2017 09:13AM

Brian Cody has no faith in his panel either, Kk were losing battles all over the field and should have been 8/9 points down, very similar to last years all ireland final. Cody introduced one sub, late enough too.

On another note, why did Cody take off Richie last week and not yesterday, Cody knew we were going to win last week with the wind behind kk backs and Dublin reduced to 14, he wouldnt do it yesterday when he really needed Richie.

Topcat32 · 03-04-2017 09:36AM

Village87 wrote: »

Brian Cody has no faith in his panel either, Kk were losing battles all over the field and should have been 8/9 points down, very similar to last years all ireland final. Cody introduced one sub, late enough too.

On another note, why did Cody take off Richie last week and not yesterday, Cody knew we were going to win last week with the wind behind kk backs and Dublin reduced to 14, he wouldnt do it yesterday when he really needed Richie.

For a man with no faith in his panel he started a lot of players over the league. For me bringing in Lester for Conor Fogarty and the Farrell for Lester were very odd moves if you are trying to win the game. I think his thoughts yesterday were to let the players sink or swim and see how the team stood up to pressure, have to believe that in a championship game he wouldnt have brought on Joyce, Holden and lyng in a similar situation

davidx40 · 03-04-2017 09:37AM

fdsfdsahhertdd wrote: »

davidx40 wrote: »

... much blather deleted

Simply saying the truth Walter is dreadful under a high ball no idea of timing or positional sense ....when i see us hitting puckouts down on top of him i just wonder what are selecters looking at..... if brian can make this team contenders it will be a miracle....we are so average ....to have any chance we need to come out of stone age and modernise tactics a bit....just hitting high hopless balls with o ball retention is just not going to work

JJs Left Hand · 03-04-2017 09:50AM

We don't need to modernise tactics we just need to stop skying ball into the forwards. The forwards need to take as much of the blame as well. I looked down at one stage when PW was coming out with the ball and our full forward line was standing static inside the 21 yard line not offering anything. ****ing move for **** sake this is U14 level stuff

FrankCummins · 03-04-2017 10:00AM

Village87 wrote: »

Davy Fitz knows how to beat kilkenny, twice i the last 2 years so far. Stop TJ, he has been carrying the team the last few years. Most scores come through him either directly or indirectly.

People who are saying Paul Murphy was good yesterday need to have a good look at the game again.

The full back line were cleaned even playing with extra men. Wexford could have had 5 goals. Murphy is all over the place and needs to go, he has been awful in the league so far, as for Shane Pender, i wouldn't have him on the Village team, and im not joking

Bring back T keogh

IrishAlice · 03-04-2017 11:06AM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

The forwards need to take as much of the blame as well.

Completely agree, I thought they were absolutely dire yesterday and their poor performance put massive pressure on the backs.

We were outmaneuvered at every turn yesterday, Davy had our cards marked before ever stepping into Nowlan park but I can't help but think Wexford have shown their hand now.

Whatever happens it's going to be an interesting championship.

Nedflanders02 · 03-04-2017 11:07AM

I think something drastically needs to be done with the forwards, they are just so one dimensional at the minute, there was little of no movement off the ball from any of them, neither corner forward made a diagonal run across the field looking for the ball at any stage yesterday. For years one of the characteristics of the KK forwards was the moving of positions between themselves but that doesn't seem to happen anymore, they stand in there position and unless Cody or Dempsey tell them to move they stay there. The lack of pace in the forwards really makes us easy to play against, I can't imagine to many opposition defenders having sleepless nights worrying about our forwards at the minute.

It's easy to blame the full back line and point the finger at them but we have not learned any lessons from the AI final, the half back line is still being dragged to far out the pitch and not offering any protection back there. The midfield yesterday were very ineffective and let Wexford run straight through the middle. Buckley and Walsh are good hurlers but I don't think midfield is there best position at this level, hopefully Buckley will move back to wing back for the championship.

One thing that really stood out yesterday was the lack of leadership from the more established players, near the end yesterday a lot of them went missing and in the end it the younger lads like Cleere, Deegan and Blanchfield who were getting on the ball and driving forward.

unrealtime · 03-04-2017 11:19AM

Time for Cody to go. He is making irrational decisions even if he desires to show up how inadequate some players are so he can boot them off the panel. But playing many out of position and holding on to those like. K Joyce and Joey while refusing to play them is simply insane.

We have no place to go now and Cody is not going to redeem himself.

dastardly00 · 03-04-2017 11:31AM

Final basic stats from the league campaign...

Topcat32 · 03-04-2017 11:31AM

unrealtime wrote: »

Time for Cody to go. He is making irrational decisions even if he desires to show up how inadequate some players are so he can boot them off the panel. But playing many out of position and holding on to those like. K Joyce and Joey while refusing to play them is simply insane.

We have no place to go now and Cody is not going to redeem himself.

Yeah we should pull all our teams out of the Leinster championship immediately too and go back to playing cricket.

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