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Captain Chaos · 31-03-2017 09:02AM

Shane Ross needs to get involved directly or step down.

ThisRegard · 31-03-2017 09:02AM

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Fair play to them we can't have a situation were it's a race to the bottom. The government should have got the finger out and restored the cuts that they have imposed on all the company's over the last number of years. The chickens have come home to roost!

Race to the bottom of the dole queue when the company goes bust. How can people not understand that a company, any company, needs to make adjustments to remain functional. Are people really that tunnel visioned to think public money, our money, should be used to support such basket cases?

Torcaill · 31-03-2017 09:02AM

Dublin Bus expect operations back at 9.15 / 30.

BoatMad · 31-03-2017 09:03AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Shane Ross needs to get involved directly or step down.

why, what ly can a transport minister do. except tell to accept the unions the reality and face wage cuts or redundancies so BE Expressway can stop loosing money

the solution is not within Shane Rosses power

the Minister needs to stay well clear , the WRC and LRC are there was dispute resolution facilities

_Kaiser_ · 31-03-2017 09:04AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Shane Ross needs to get involved directly or step down.

No, he doesn't. There are existing labour relations mechanisms available to resolve disputes of this nature.

That's what the staff need to be using. He's quite correct to stay out of it.

Ludo · 31-03-2017 09:04AM

Mebuntu wrote: »

Have a look at the photo in this article. Click on it to make it larger. Tells you plenty about what we are dealing with.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/thousands-of-passengers-facing-chaos-as-strikers-get-support-from-dublin-bus-and-irish-rail-drivers-35567464.html

Sorry but what am I looking for?

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:04AM

Heisenberg1 wrote: »

Fair play to them we can't have a situation were it's a race to the bottom. The government should have got the finger out and restored the cuts that they have imposed on all the company's over the last number of years. The chickens have come home to roost!

€140 million on a new central bank why ? Nobody bats an eye, stunning views of the Liffey they say, on the site were Anglo was to be built oh the irony.

Support the workers!

And no probem wasting millions on now useless water meters and creating conflict with communities up and down the country,all for nothing.

How much did that cost the taxpayer????

PeadarCo · 31-03-2017 09:05AM

kidneyfan wrote:

Dead right boy the spirit of Larkin lives. Scabs and Spivs had best beware!

Unions were set up to protect the vulnerable workers. Bus Eireann drivers are very well remunerated within the industry. All that's happening is very generous and unsustainable overtime allowances are being cut. You'd imagine that even after this changes drivers within the company would be quiet well paid by industry standards. It's the very opposite of union ideals.

The other issue is that it undermines the whole point of Bus Eireann being government owned. The whole idea is that the public comes before everyone else. If unions decide they come first what's the point. In private companies shareholders come first. For the end user there's no difference between unions and private shareholders with strikes like this. At least private companies are less likely to strike and will provide a cheaper and more reactive service.

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:06AM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No, he doesn't. There are existing labour relations mechanisms available to resolve disputes of this nature.

That's what the staff need to be using. He's quite correct to stay out of it.

He is the main stakeholder,he should have been involved weeks ago.

He didnt even read vital reports into the financial state of the company.

L1011 · 31-03-2017 09:06AM

I have a feeling someone who wants to become more senior in one of the unions watched Carry On At Your Convenience last night and had a bright idea; rather than this being even quietly approved and denied from on high.

cherryghost · 31-03-2017 09:06AM

Torcaill wrote: »

Dublin Bus expect operations back at 9.15 / 30.

Got a source?

BoatMad · 31-03-2017 09:07AM

magentis wrote: »

And no probem wasting millions on now useless water meters and creating conflict with communities up and down the country,all for nothing.

How much did that cost the taxpayer????

waste in any areas of state spending , doe sin no way justify futher waste spending in BE

Just shut BE, nobody needs it , the PSO routes can be given to private operators at a lower costs then todays BE subvention

clear it out

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:07AM

L1011 wrote: »

I have a feeling someone who wants to become more senior in one of the unions watched Carry On At Your Convenience last night and had a bright idea; rather than this being even quietly approved and denied from on high.

I don't believe that is the case.

There is plenty support for BE staff in DB and IE.

BoatMad · 31-03-2017 09:08AM

L1011 wrote: »

I have a feeling someone who wants to become more senior in one of the unions watched Carry On At Your Convenience last night and had a bright idea; rather than this being even quietly approved and denied from on high.

absolutely , displaceable union behaviour , legislate immediately to ban secondary and sympathy strikes , May unions that allow it to be sued for losses

L1011 · 31-03-2017 09:08AM

magentis wrote: »

I don't believe that is the case.

There is plenty support for BE staff in DB and IE.

The pickets are BE staff.

Korvanica · 31-03-2017 09:10AM

Can anyone tell me if the Aircoach is running? Or is it stopped too?

Wanderer78 · 31-03-2017 09:12AM

Korvanica wrote:

Can anyone tell me if the Aircoach is running? Or is it stopped too?

I'm sure it's running and probably very busy. Check with them to be sure

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:12AM

BoatMad wrote: »

waste in any areas of state spending , doe sin no way justify futher waste spending in BE

Just shut BE, nobody needs it , the PSO routes can be given to private operators at a lower costs then todays BE subvention

clear it out

Ah yes,the glorious private operators,the answer to all ills.
The taxpayer done really well out of Telecom Eireann and Aer Lingus privatisation.

Those private operators done a great service to the UK travelling public in the past 30 years.

Trampas · 31-03-2017 09:12AM

Does anyone have a list of changes that management want?

Things like overtime expected is long gone in most private companies. They can argue about rates but counting overtime as part of your weekly wage is mad.

loyatemu · 31-03-2017 09:12AM

Yourself isit wrote: »

Orchestrated is not the same as authorised.

if union officials organised this simultaneous nationwide action, then the difference is moot.

Can IÉ & DB sue the union for loss of earnings?

monument · 31-03-2017 09:14AM

BuilderPlumber Banned and posts deleted for going a long way to saying the unions are terrorists.

BoatMad wrote: »

Let the whole CIE group ROT. its the last refuge of Trotskyite union head bangers

Productive posts only, especially applies to posters who have been active on this thread already.

-- moderator

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:14AM

L1011 wrote: »

The pickets are BE staff.

Not the case either.Plenty DB and IE staff on the picket lines now too.

Heisenberg1 · 31-03-2017 09:16AM

BoatMad wrote: »

why, what ly can a transport minister do. except tell to accept the unions the reality and face wage cuts or redundancies so BE Expressway can stop loosing money

the solution is not within Shane Rosses power

the Minister needs to stay well clear , the WRC and LRC are there was dispute resolution facilities

He needs to get in involved and restore the cuts in all 3 company's handed down by successive governments over the years.

L1011 · 31-03-2017 09:17AM

magentis wrote: »

Not the case either.Plenty DB and IE staff on the picket lines now too.

They didn't organise it, nor are they likely to remain once injunctions start appearing - as they aren't on strike. Non-rostered workers on their days off don't count.

When even O'Leary of the NBRU can see how idiotic and damaging acting like this is, its time to give up.

devnull · 31-03-2017 09:18AM

Thing is whilst O'Leary is saying that they should go back to work and that he does not condone it, the same chap is on record as saying that the mother of all transport strikes will happen if something is not done, I'm sure that people can read between the lines.

Torcaill · 31-03-2017 09:19AM

cherryghost wrote: »

Got a source?

Yes, a fairly good one!!!

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:19AM

L1011 wrote: »

They didn't organise it, nor are they likely to remain once injunctions start appearing - as they aren't on strike. Non-rostered workers on their days off don't count.

When even O'Leary of the NBRU can see how idiotic and damaging acting like this is, its time to give up.

Not at all.Its called solidarity.DB and IE staff are well aware of this failing governments agenda,and are aware that if they stand by and let this happen they are next.

whisky_galore · 31-03-2017 09:21AM

magentis wrote: »

They have been doing that anyway.

Take a look at Irish rail.

So understaffed that the company itself admitted line safety is compromised as a result.

No staff on the trains bar the driver.

No staff in the stations,allowing them to decend into no go area centres for anti social behaviour and vandalism.

If there were no unstaffed stations to trash, I'm quite sure the local intelligentsia would find somewhere else for their activities.

devnull · 31-03-2017 09:21AM

whisky_galore wrote: »

No chance that would happen. Public service and semi state employees look out for each other.

They certainly don't look out for the public that they are meant to be serving, because apparently the ideas of a public run transport service is vested interests don't get in the way....oh hold on!

magentis · 31-03-2017 09:23AM

L1011 wrote: »

They didn't organise it, nor are they likely to remain once injunctions start appearing - as they aren't on strike. Non-rostered workers on their days off don't count.

When even O'Leary of the NBRU can see how idiotic and damaging acting like this is, its time to give up.

Furthermore there are plenty rostered DB and IE staff on the picket lines right now.

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