14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed over Garda error

this whole thing is farcical, from the top right down to the bottom, where is the truth and the trust?

Fleawuss wrote: »

Someone needs to look at the impact of bureaucratisation of all sorts of work. We expect more work with more record keeping: it's killing the HSE and it cripples productivity. I'm not surprised that there are sorts of boxes being ticked that are pure fiction. You can't expect more to be done and it all to be recorded meticulously: there is only so much that can be done in any shift. Do less and record meticulously or do more and cut the regulations. That's the choice.

I really just can't accept that a lack of time for record keeping is a valuable reason for fabricating or accidentally messing up 1million (if that is the case) legal documents/ inputs. In most lines of work a job done properly has to be adequately recorded in some form, that's life and that's most peoples jobs, you make time.

One thing I have heard however is that entry into the guards is primarily based on fitness tests, I'm not sure how true this is, but I would be of the assumption that fitness is only a small portion of their job. I imagine report writing, logging and administration makes up such a vast portion of their work that surely they should have the same literacy and IT competency as a for instance a lawyer, a nurse or a GP and should be trained as such?

Fleawuss wrote: »

This is on such a scale that it has to be recognized that the system itself is at fault. It is time to recognize bureaucratisation as an enemy of productivity or vice versa. They exist in inverse proportion.

I don't accept that we should be absolving individual Gardaí of any wrongdoing and blaming everything on 'the system'. Yes, there is a problem with the system when it lets them get away with this for so long. But individual Gardaí aren't blameless either.

How difficult is it to put accurate figures into the Pulse system. Gardaí should be using their notebook to record when they do a breath test, go back to the station, look at the notebook, enter how many tests you did. It's not rocket science. It's not a literacy problem nor is it an IT problem. It's a telling the truth problem.

Lets call a spade a spade. Some Gardaí were doing sweet fcukall when they should have been doing drink driving spot checks. They then went back to the station and 'falsified' records to make it look like they were good boys and girls who did loads of breath checks.

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL, so your suggestion is that we take Gardai who are happy to claim double the amount of tests they do and put them into murder and corruption investigations?

grahambo wrote: »

Point taken....

I'm a Garda. I'll put you down for 4 points.

Commsnr O'Sullivan's carefully worded allusive comment about the possibility of other issues arising later and which may be seen as deficient on the honesty scale is thought provoking. What are we being softened up for with that disclosure, one wonders. Anyone care to expand ?

So she's saying that she'll refuse to step down even if a vote of no confidence passes. That's some Democratic Republic of Congo level shit

What happens in that instance? Some neck on the cunt to say she'll ignore the democratically elected people and their decision should they go against her.

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Claire Byrne live last nite An Garda Siochana road traffic crisis . watch it on the RTE Player Monday 27 mar 2017. There was one Lady in the audience and she might be one of 14500 Men/Women Wrongly Convicted . This Lady/Women was sent to Limerick Prison for 10 days for alleged she was driving 65 Kilometers in a 60 Kilometers zone . This is not a Joke people here Should watch the RTE player and see for the Them Selves.

Yes, this is truly appalling. If the democratic rulers don't see that as completely unacceptable then we really have descended into a banana republic quagmire. There are no words to describe this travesty of justice.

But it's clear that Noreen would have been run out of town by the scruff of her neck already if it wasn't for the fact that the FG crew have painted themselves into a corner by their treatment of the last Commissioner.
That was a monumental foot shooting which now compromises them when it comes to such an obvious ditching of a very very lame duck.

please helpThank YOU wrote: »

Is This True? the more conviction a Garda gets the higher He/She Rise through the ranks which = more Money. So have Gardai risen through the ranks on the so called errors? and made more Money?

No, not true. There may have been a time when work return = promotion, and i'm sure today that the work return is taken into account, but it can't be the sole decider for a promotion, because you cannot expect a Garda to go out and get X amount of speeders, drink drivers, etc. That just forces the Garda to "do" people they wouldn't normally, basically takes away their discretion. So promotion, when i left, was based on not just the work return, but on the quality of files, attendance, court presentation, reports, etc. It's all taken into account. And then you don't get it because someone knew someone... Just like every job really!

Deleted User wrote: »

Thinking a bit about this reminds me of an incident before christmas. I was driving when I was pulled over at a checkpoint doing random breath tests. My colleague was in the car in front and he was tested. Neither of us had been drinking, it was about 7pm. The garda approached my car, and (I speculate) saw i had kids in the car with me. He chatted a little and told me to go ahead.
Now i wonder if he realised that I had definitely not been drinking and decided not to breathalyse me in front of the kids, but then recorded it as a test.
If so, this is a clash between 'internal audit' and common sense. Not saying if its good or bad but wondering if this might have been the sort of thing thats behind this scandal.

Doubtful. MAT (Mandatory Alcohol Testing) checkpoints are just that, mandatory, regardless of who is in the car. If he didn't test you, it was possible a random checkpoint with not MAT requirements, so they use the chat to see if there's any smell or slurred words or any other indicators of drink driving before using the roadside breath test. MAT checkpoints allow you to use it straight away, non-MAT checkpoints require more evidence before using it. You'll never know which is which mind.

Deleted User wrote: »

By the way I've seen an awful lot of gardai/speed van checks in the past month, do you think they are trying to make up the numbers? Or maybe its payback for the speed penalty points scandal?

Garda activity in my area is up by 1000s%. A few weeks ago the squad and unmarked car were parked outside the station most of the night. Now they are out there manning checkpoints and pulling drivers over. Somebodys obviously given them a boot up the backside, don't see any sign of them going after the crims in the area though.

Noddyholder wrote: »

An Garda Síochána is due to publish a report detailing financial irregularities at the Garda College over a number of years.

It also identified a large number of bank accounts as part of a non-transparent system of accounting.

One, a laundry account, was not being used for that purpose.

Tánaiste Frances Fitzgerald told the Dáil last night that the report raises serious governance issues and will be referred to the Comptroller and Auditor General and the Public Accounts Committee.

http://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0329/863350-garda-report-templemore/

This is all on top of the other issues, & on it goes & goes .

Money laundry?