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Major car issues, why would previous owner have gotten the DPF remapped?

  • 29-03-2017 12:15AM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭


    Hi,

    I have being having major car trouble since November last year. Garages are having trouble diagnosing what is actually causing the trouble however I recently learnt that the dpf was previously remapped.


    Why would someone remap the dpf? Is it something to worry about or a sign that I bought a dodgy car? Should I be bringing the car back to the dealer that I bought it of?

    Car is a 08 ford focus which was imported from the UK.

    The error code that is coming up is P2409 Fuel Cap Sensor/ Switch Circuit Range Performance

    Thanks for any advice at all,


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,060 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Getting DPF removed and car remapped is not uncommon.
    You can find other threads on it in this forum.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,234 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    I don't think the DPF would have been remapped rather it was removed and the ECU remapped to compensate for the missing DPF.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭tacofries


    I don't think the DPF would have been remapped rather it was removed and the ECU remapped to compensate for the missing DPF.

    Would that make the car fail the NCT or affect the resale?

    I have looked up other threads but clueless when it comes to cars so couldn't make out if it is illegal or not!?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Are you sure its P2409? Thats to do with a poor fitting fuel cap that prevents the fuel evaporation system from functioning, but usually only on petrol cars.

    But if its the 1.6 you have, the DPF is fairly simple design. You have a large honeycomb system that simply traps soot in the exhaust and this DPF filter has a pressure sensor connected across the filterto measure the difference in pressures. Once this pressure exceeds a certain level it triggers a regeneration (engine ECU changes fuelling to massively increase exhaust temp to burn off the soot). If it cant regen and the pressure goes too high, it triggers a fault code.

    If its remapped and the filter is blocked, check to see if the DPF element is there via a flexible borescope or by any tell tale signs that it was removed. One easy method I seen is a 1" hole drilled right though the DPF and welded back. This 1" welded hole can be spotted from the top or bottom of the DPF. It appears that this 1" hole allows the differential pressure sensor to still see a filter restriction within tolerance and the error code wont be triggered so no remap is required.

    Edit, if you look at this picture you can see the DPF and the small tubes coming out the side for a pressure sensor and how drilling a hole the whole way through the filter will clear the filter permanently

    inside-a-dpf-dpf-removal-services.jpg


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭tacofries


    Hi Mullingar,

    Thanks for the explanation. It makes sense now at least...

    Called into the garage today and they said it is definitely error code P2409. It was actually a ford dealer that I went to as I thought they would be the best people to do it properly. They have now wiped their hands of the car and said that they wont touch it since it has being remapped. It turns out that the dpf has actually being removed also.

    I rang another garage and he said that ford are making a big deal out of nothing and that if that is the error code that is appearing then instead of complaining about the remapping they should have just fixed the fuel cap sensor and see if the car works. Have the car booked in with this new mechanic for next week so hopefully it will be sorted soon!


    Thanks for the help,


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,016 ✭✭✭Four Phucs Ache


    mullingar wrote: »
    Are you sure its P2409? Thats to do with a poor fitting fuel cap that prevents the fuel evaporation system from functioning, but usually only on petrol cars.

    But if its the 1.6 you have, the DPF is fairly simple design. You have a large honeycomb system that simply traps soot in the exhaust and this DPF filter has a pressure sensor connected across the filterto measure the difference in pressures. Once this pressure exceeds a certain level it triggers a regeneration (engine ECU changes fuelling to massively increase exhaust temp to burn off the soot). If it cant regen and the pressure goes too high, it triggers a fault code.

    If its remapped and the filter is blocked, check to see if the DPF element is there via a flexible borescope or by any tell tale signs that it was removed. One easy method I seen is a 1" hole drilled right though the DPF and welded back. This 1" welded hole can be spotted from the top or bottom of the DPF. It appears that this 1" hole allows the differential pressure sensor to still see a filter restriction within tolerance and the error code wont be triggered so no remap is required.

    Edit, if you look at this picture you can see the DPF and the small tubes coming out the side for a pressure sensor and how drilling a hole the whole way through the filter will clear the filter permanently

    inside-a-dpf-dpf-removal-services.jpg


    Great post.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 854 ✭✭✭tacofries


    Explained it very well to be fair! Always good to learn...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,338 ✭✭✭mullingar


    Have a read of this page from the Workshop manual on the function of this fuel door switch in the Focus Diesel. The code could match unintentionally to a petrol evaporate system

    http://workshop-manuals.com/ford/focus_2004.75_07.2004/mechanical_repairs/3_powertrain/303_engine/303-04f_fuel_charging_and_controls_1.6l_duratorq-tdci_(dv)_diesel/description_and_operation/fuel_charging_and_controls_vehicles_with_diesel_particulate_filter_(dpf)/


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,292 ✭✭✭cml387


    mullingar wrote: »
    Have a read of this page from the Workshop manual on the function of this fuel door switch in the Focus Diesel. The code could match unintentionally to a petrol evaporate system

    http://workshop-manuals.com/ford/focus_2004.75_07.2004/mechanical_repairs/3_powertrain/303_engine/303-04f_fuel_charging_and_controls_1.6l_duratorq-tdci_(dv)_diesel/description_and_operation/fuel_charging_and_controls_vehicles_with_diesel_particulate_filter_(dpf)/
    What a great site. Thanks for that!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,146 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Fair play mullingar, users like you make this forum.


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