Bus Eireann

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 07:12PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I hope the RSA are out in force today and over the length of the strike to check private bus operators drivers tacho cards for the hours working rule. A lot of these guys are complete fly by night chancers who pay drivers peanuts to undercut each other.

Naw, lets give them a "bye" for the duration of this strike

anyway its all digital now anyway , havent seen a tacho card in a while !!

TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 07:14PM

Three Kavanaghs buses doing a stop usually that only needs one bus.

TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 07:24PM

Another wave of private buses now coming along.

Bus Eireann who?

Those chancers can stay closed

Galwayguy35 · 24-03-2017 08:08PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

I hope the RSA are out in force today and over the length of the strike to check private bus operators drivers tacho cards for the hours working rule. A lot of these guys are complete fly by night chancers who pay drivers peanuts to undercut each other.

You sound like the Union guy who was on Prime Time last night, he said the exact same thing.

Galwayguy35 · 24-03-2017 08:11PM

I'd say Citylink are delighted.

CoolHandBandit · 24-03-2017 09:14PM

BoatMad wrote: »

Naw, lets give them a "bye" for the duration of this strike

anyway its all digital now anyway , havent seen a tacho card in a while !!

Eh it's a digital tacho card.

CoolHandBandit · 24-03-2017 09:15PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

You sound like the Union guy who was on Prime Time last night, he said the exact same thing.

He's right safety should be the priority.

end of the road · 24-03-2017 09:31PM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

Your grasp of economics is weak.

Aer Lingus, Telecom Eireann, BE, all examples of large bloated inefficient monopolies who offered no value to customers or the taxpayer. BE might be the last to fall but it will fall eventually as it cannot survive in an open market.

When your employees are paid vastly more than competitors but offer less productivity, you know the end of your company is close.

oh i very much know how it works. your comparisons are irrelevant as they are industries that can't be compared to the bus industry.

Glenster wrote: »

You'd swear these people were the only ones in the world with a heavy vehicle licence, draft in 1000 truck drivers, increase their pay by 10%, still make a huge saving.

nope, incorrect i'm afraid. there would be no saving, and you would be causing a shortage of truck drivers. also, as you would have fired the original staff there would be nobody to train the new staff.

Nomis21 wrote: »

40 years as a bus driver I have worked for private bus companies and union controlled public companies where the depot manager did what he was told by the union or the buses were pulled off the road.
Ultimately they all turned into private bus companies in the end because the traveling public will only take so much disruption and the Government has to take a stand.
The writing is ‘On the Wall’ for Bus Eireann and the Union are putting the nails in the coffin. Yes of course, the Government could intervene but they won’t because they know that by tendering the routes to private companies that they will save money, even if their buses are older and more unreliable, at least they won’t be disrupted by strike action any more.

they wouldn't be saving money by tendering and tendering doesn't stop strike action. tendering has shown to cost more long term then a state operated service and strike action still happens, and can and does spread to multiple companies as has been witnessed plenty of times in london. the only reason government would be tendering the routes is to insure private profit. the hope for the driving down of wages and conditions would also be part of it but the workers won't stand for that.

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

BE/IE/CIE needs to be dismantled and replaced with a proper service that cares about customers. This strike just shows us what a selfish and horrid company BE is. All sides in this are responsible for why no service has been provided today. I will from now on make a point not to go on a BE if I have the choice of someone else. They don't deserve my custom if today is how they treat their customers.

Why not just let other operators provide immediate bus services between say Dublin and Carrick on Shannon/Sligo or Limerick to Cork and Waterford and let BE and its greed fail?

because it would be de-regulation and we will not stand for something that would lead to withdrawel of all but profitable services.

end of the road · 24-03-2017 09:32PM

BoatMad wrote: »

In the meantime, shane ross can of course temporarily remove all route restrictions on private buses

that would be anti-competitive and against democracy to remove rules without due process. it would also be de-regulation by the back door which we will not stand for, as it will see all but profitable routes removed. the bus legislation/route restrictions are there and would take to much time to remove and are there for good reason. also the be workers would not stand for it and would have to act.

BoatMad wrote: »

lots of private operators are increasing services on unregulated routes or where they have a joint route with BE

I wager that in time , if this strike continues, the NTA will suspend route controls or allow private operators temporary access to monopoly BE services ( and rail services also )

not going to happen. especially with rail. not only is privatization of our railway not financially viable but the costs would rise hugely. britain has the most expensive rail fares in the world and the costs for getting anything done ballooned due to privatization, the inefficientsies and the rest.

ziggy · 24-03-2017 09:43PM

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hytrogen · 24-03-2017 09:48PM

ziggy wrote:

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What have they got to liquidate? Apart from ghettoes, employees and busarse?

nta own the bus assests

devnull · 24-03-2017 09:49PM

Reports of intimidation of staff and passengers using services that are jointly operated by Bus Eireann and other operators.

CoolHandBandit · 24-03-2017 09:55PM

devnull wrote: »

Reports of intimidation of staff and passengers using services that are jointly operated by Bus Eireann and other operators.

Yeah that spin is going to be put out by IBEC and others of that ilk. There's going to be a lot of fake news from both sides for the next while.

devnull · 24-03-2017 09:56PM

CoolHandBandit wrote: »

Yeah that spin is going to be put out by IBEC and others of that ilk. There's going to be a lot of fake news from both sides for the next while.

From:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/GoBeCork/posts/?ref=page_internal

We had intended to run services as scheduled however when our first service at 06:30am this morning was due to depart, the driver and passengers was met by NBRU members who had left their picket and threatened our driver and passengers. On health and safety grounds a decision was made to suspend all services from Cork. The safety of our passengers and staff is our priority at all times.

If it's not true the union should have no problem starting legal action for defamation.

SILVAMAN · 24-03-2017 09:59PM

Many train services bollixed too. Booked from Limerick to Dublin Monday but no trains running. Wonder if I'll get a refund. Fcuking unions. I'd put O'Leary in charge of the lot of em.

learn_more · 24-03-2017 10:11PM

Have to say I'm a bit pissed off with this short notice. I was supposed to go to Galway today for a medial appointment. I could just as easily have gone on Thursday. I'm okay with inconvenience for a valid strike but not when the inconvenience could be avoided as in my case. Announcing a strike 6 hours before it starts is a bit crap imo. They could have left it till Monday to give some ppl time to make alternative arrangements.

hytrogen · 24-03-2017 10:16PM

Galwayguy35 wrote:

I'd say Citylink are delighted.

Management have hired more staff today to mop up their offices as a result of alleged over rubbing of sweaty palms while a nearby lidl reports a surge in sales of mops and buckets. Regional manager Jaroslaw Mikalski is quoted as saying that 'stocks of the PC1052/3 "Bucket and mop combo" ran off the shelves by 09.00hrs this morning across many stores'

eeguy · 24-03-2017 10:24PM

hytrogen wrote: »

Management have hired more staff today to mop up their offices as a result of alleged over rubbing of sweaty palms while a nearby lidl reports a surge in sales of mops and buckets. Regional manager Jaroslaw Mikalski is quoted as saying that 'stocks of the PC1052/3 "Bucket and mop combo" ran off the shelves by 09.00hrs this morning across many stores'

More than likely. Private operators running on Express routes will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Interesting to see what happens in the interim. Wonder will people start to organise local busses or taxis to replace more rural services

hytrogen · 24-03-2017 10:25PM

CoolHandBandit wrote:

Yeah that spin is going to be put out by IBEC and others of that ilk. There's going to be a lot of fake news from both sides for the next while.

What has IBEC got to do with a customer relations issue which, if true, must be considered a criminal case be-it that someone was threatened or intimated?

hytrogen · 24-03-2017 10:28PM

eeguy wrote:

More than likely. Private operators running on Express routes will be laughing all the way to the bank. Interesting to see what happens in the interim. Wonder will people start to organise local busses or taxis to replace more rural services

I know several community day centres are utilising local minibus taxis to get their patients to and from their clinics while this fiasco impairs their patients rehabilitation.

eeguy · 24-03-2017 10:32PM

hytrogen wrote: »

I know several community day centres are utilising local minibus taxis to get their patients to and from their clinics while this fiasco impairs their patients rehabilitation.

Interesting to see whether some enterprising people would try to capitalise on this, similar to the pub busses that drop people home at night.

There's money to be made and the barrier to entry is low. Must be loads of mini busses around the country.

hytrogen · 24-03-2017 10:37PM

eeguy wrote:

There's money to be made and the barrier to entry is low. Must be loads of mini busses around the country.

It'll get to the point where big corporate business will tender for contracts to shuttle their employees, like emc do in Cork for example, and eventually society will become immune to the threat of this situation we're in, fading into the sands of time

end of the road · 24-03-2017 10:43PM

ziggy wrote: »

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not cost effective and the disruption could last longer then any strike ever could. sorting out the issue with the company isn't giving in as there is nothing or nobody to give in to.

SILVAMAN wrote: »

Many train services bollixed too. Booked from Limerick to Dublin Monday but no trains running. Wonder if I'll get a refund. Fcuking unions. I'd put O'Leary in charge of the lot of em.

you wouldn't put O'Leary in charge of ja larra "em" (them) as there is nothing he could do apart from rant and rave and the workers won't be listening.

Dr Martin · 24-03-2017 11:05PM

The entitlement of the public sector never fails to amaze. Cut the routes or put the prices up to cover the loss making routes.

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 11:20PM

eeguy wrote: »

More than likely. Private operators running on Express routes will be laughing all the way to the bank.
Interesting to see what happens in the interim. Wonder will people start to organise local busses or taxis to replace more rural services

The longer the strike goes on the more people will adapt and look for alternatives. After a while people will be saying "Bus Eireann who?" Unions cutting off their nose to spite their face. It should be allowed to continue until the workers come crawling back begging for their jobs, with lesser pay.

eeguy · 24-03-2017 11:32PM

end of the road wrote: »

not cost effective and the disruption could last longer then any strike ever could. sorting out the issue with the company isn't giving in as there is nothing or nobody to give in to.

What would you do?

AMKC · 25-03-2017 12:21AM

Dr Martin wrote: »

The entitlement of the public sector never fails to amaze. Cut the routes or put the prices up to cover the loss making routes.

I take it you have never used Bus Eireann. There prices are already expensive and putting them up will just see more people not using it or going to private operators. The problem is thats what they have done the last few years there was a 10 per cent increase in December and all it does is it means less people using it and they also use it less as money does not grow on trees.
The big problem and I have been saying this for years is the company is so badly run and very inefficient. It should never have come to this if they had sorted all the problems out.
Also Sean Ross is a terrible Transport minister I can not think of one thing he has done in that portfolio that is good if he has done anything at all. He cold at least be encouraging te parties to get together and talk as well as coming up with ideas on how to solve it. Leo when he was Transport Minister at least had ideas about what he wanted to do.

end of the road · 25-03-2017 12:35AM

Shurimgreat wrote: »

The longer the strike goes on the more people will adapt and look for alternatives. After a while people will be saying "Bus Eireann who?" Unions cutting off their nose to spite their face. It should be allowed to continue until the workers come crawling back begging for their jobs, with lesser pay.

they won't be crawling back begging for anything. their pay is as low as it's going to go as it is competitive with the rest of the industry. the issues with rosters and overtime are being dealt with. your dream of low wages will not be realised, time to move on. workers rights, terms and conditions will remain competitive and to a good standard. not their fault that you can't be bothered trying to improve your lot. the rest of us won't be dragged down to your level.

eeguy wrote: »

What would you do?

i wouldn't have let the issues get to where they are, it would have been sorted years ago. even if negotiations took a long time, so be it.

Dr Martin · 25-03-2017 12:39AM

Well if Bus Eireann can't put up the prices then AXE the loss making routes.

Arcade_Tryer · 25-03-2017 01:28AM

Have to laugh at RTE and other news stations reporting on the BE strike as if there was a terrorist attack in Ireland today.

It's a strike. People need to get over it. And they will. They always do.

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