Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 07:19PM

nuac wrote: »

They did well to find the Flight Recorder there in those conditions.

Wish them the best in searching for the bodies, Hard dangerous work. I have seen divers at work in searching for a body nearer the shore, in shallower water without a swell. These lads and their support teams are heroes

And a shout out to the support people. Listened to a report on the radio this morning about the wrap around support the community are offering to those on the search.
My family and I witnessed and benefitted from this and the work of the SAR people. Extraordinary warmth and support from a coastal community in a time of tragedy.
Never forgotten.

TomOnBoard · 24-03-2017 07:20PM

Why is RTE still reporting that the recovery activity is taking place on the "Western face of the island", as stated in earlier reports and repeated just now on News @ 6?

I just don't understand it. The reason I asked this earlier and am repeating it, is that if RTE gets such a detail wrong, how many other details are they mis- reporting?

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 07:22PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

Why is RTE still reporting that the recovery activity is taking place on the "Western face of the island", as stated in earlier reports and repeated just now on News @ 6?

I just don't understand it. The reason I asked this earlier and am repeating it, is that if RTE gets such a detail wrong, how many other details are they mis- reporting?

I was just about to ask the same...

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 07:25PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

I was just about to ask the same...

And one of the reasons why we're having so many problems sorting between real news, fake news and just plain BAD journalism. It ain't easy! I can only suggest you use something like Facebook to ask them, as that at least they will hopefully respond to.

TomOnBoard · 24-03-2017 07:33PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

And one of the reasons why we're having so many problems sorting between real news, fake news and just plain BAD journalism. It ain't easy! I can only suggest you use something like Facebook to ask them, as that at least they will hopefully respond to.

They also just reported that the divers are being tended out of the Samuel Beckett. That surely cant be the case, as the SB has been running patterns all day (see attached track).

The Gearoidin has been just East/SouthEast of the island all day, and if divers have only 10 minutes below for any dive, it stands to reason that this is the vessel actually tending them.

These blatant confusions are being propagated by the Media source of record, and if they cant be trusted in terms of the small details, how can we believe other things they say?

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 07:44PM

At the moment, we don't know exactly how the operation is being run. As you rightly say, the Becket has been moving around all day, (I've been watching it), whereas the other vessels, 2 or 3 of them are much closer in and not moving much, but the coverage is showing small fast RIB's moving around the place, and they probably don't have AIS on them, so we may not be seeing all of the activity on line.

You'd kind of hope that with news crews on scene, and all the other technology that they have, it would be possible to get the basics right, but that's what we're unfortunately up against.

jetfiremuck · 24-03-2017 07:58PM

So is it safe to say

SNIP It is very much NOT safe to say that at this time, please, as requested, refrain from such speculation, for all the reasons we've given

tricky D · 24-03-2017 07:59PM

Folks, can we exercise restraint on discussing aspects of the recovery of crew until there is substantive information from good sources. There's a very compelling reason which I won't mention, for me asking that requires sensitivity. Thanks.

tricky D · 24-03-2017 08:01PM

@kona drop the matter for now pls. Thanks. [Posts adjusted accordingly]

Gadgetman496 · 24-03-2017 08:21PM

Teebor15 wrote: »

Just to clear up any confusion. EI-ICU has had its maintenance complete in Waterford and is now the based R117.

R117 has not being assisting in the search but is covering pretty much the whole country while allowing R118 (Sligo) and R115 (Shannon) conduct searches at the recovery site.

EI-ICD left Waterford for Shannon yesterday evening.

Do you know what the MMSI number is for Reg EI-ICD?

What I'm trying to figure out is the relationship between Reg numbers and MMSI numbers.

For example, here's a list of the Reg numbers for the five Irish based S92's, so how can one find the MMSI number for each of the Reg numbers so they can be matched?

EI-ICG
EI-ICU
EI-ICA
EI-ICR - R116 (Crashed)
EI-ICD

TomOnBoard · 24-03-2017 08:24PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

At the moment, we don't know exactly how the operation is being run. As you rightly say, the Becket has been moving around all day, (I've been watching it), whereas the other vessels, 2 or 3 of them are much closer in and not moving much, but the coverage is showing small fast RIB's moving around the place, and they probably don't have AIS on them, so we may not be seeing all of the activity on line.

You'd kind of hope that with news crews on scene, and all the other technology that they have, it would be possible to get the basics right, but that's what we're unfortunately up against.

You're absolutely correct: we don't know how the operation is being run. However, when the national broadcaster paints pictures that are clearly illogical and improbable as "the oracle", it simply infuriates me, because I, like I'm sure many 000's of others want facts in respect of this awful tragedy, and we're constantly told that practically all the other news outlets are propagating "gutter journalism" in this matter such that we can't depend on them for truths. So if the "National broadcaster" cant be bothered with basic accuracy in reporting in the week when its leader brazenly suggested that we as the Irish people should be happy to double our TV licence contribution, my mind boggles.

Anyway, no doubt many on here will consider this rant "off topic", and in large measure it is. However, if none of the official sources can be trusted for accuracy, then its no wonder that places like thread can sometimes become fraught...

Rant over.

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 08:29PM

An Gearoidin is still in the same position but its location hasn't updated for 25 minutes now on MarineTraffic.

PJD · 24-03-2017 08:41PM

Observation re RTE quoting search being on the west side of blackrock. Footage on tv looks towards blackrock. Search boats are to the left of the picture. They are then incorrectly quoting west...

...And Justice · 24-03-2017 08:44PM

We all know in our gut why they were searching the coastlines of Achill, it's all over the web. Lets just leave it at that.

They found the black box, hopefully the families can get closure and find out why these hero's died.

TomOnBoard · 24-03-2017 08:45PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

An Gearoidin is still in the same position but its location hasn't updated for 25 minutes now on MarineTraffic.

As far as I can see, the position reports from An Gearoidin have been unpredictable, with as big as a 75 minute gap between position updates according to MT this afternoon.

Gadgetman496 · 24-03-2017 08:50PM

PJD wrote: »

Observation re RTE quoting search being on the west side of blackrock. Footage on tv looks towards blackrock. Search boats are to the left of the picture. They are then incorrectly quoting west...

If the boats are as you say to the left as you look at it? then as you look at it that would be west.

Cianmcliam · 24-03-2017 08:53PM

They would surely look south of the Island as viewed from the shore?

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 08:55PM

TomOnBoard wrote: »

As far as I can see, the position reports from An Gearoidin have been unpredictable, with as big as a 75 minute gap between position updates according to MT this afternoon.

Vesselfinder has up to the minute info on it and it's still there.

TomOnBoard · 24-03-2017 08:55PM

...And Justice wrote: »

We all know in our gut why they were searching the coastlines of Achill, it's all over the web. Lets just leave it at that.

Maybe I'm a dimwit, but I don't know...

...And Justice wrote: »

They found the black box, hopefully the families can get closure and find out why these hero's died.

And I think its great that they found the black box. And yes, it may help the families in some way, but for me it's much more important that it was recovered, apparently in "good" condition, so that the cause of the tragedy can be established and may prevent the loss of other similar aircraft and their crews in Ireland, UK, and/or worldwide.

PJD · 24-03-2017 08:56PM

Gadgetman496 wrote: »

If the boats are as you say to the left as you look at it? then as you look at it that would be west.

Looking west from Blacksod towards Blackrock and forgetting to re orientate would give the appearance of being west but is, as stated, is south east.... just a possible reason for the reported error. Or it could just be bad journalism....

PJD · 24-03-2017 09:01PM

Given the broadcasted pictures on tv the cameras are likely in Glosh on west side of peninsula...

Gaoth Laidir · 24-03-2017 10:12PM

An Gearoidin and LE Samuel Beckett are heading back in now. Granuaile is still in the same location.

Mr Velo · 24-03-2017 10:59PM

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

An Gearoidin and LE Samuel Beckett are heading back in now. Granuaile is still in the same location.

Granuaile is staying out there overnight.

Irish Steve · 24-03-2017 11:03PM

Mod Update I am on the horns of a very hard dilemma. There are a number of posts over the last 90 minutes relating to reports being carried by the Irish Mirror, but the Mirror themselves have stated that the AAIU and related bodies have not confirmed their report.

I may end up regretting this, but in the absence of any confirmations of this story from any other source, I do not want this forum to become a source of what may turn out to be false news, and I certainly do not want anyone close to or related to the families of the 116 crew to get wrong or unconfirmed reports from here, and despite what some may say, there are family and friends of the 116 crew that are aware of this forum and this thread.

I have not in any way deleted or modified the posts that are at present not visible, and if the reports are confirmed by another source, I will be re instating them in the same place and order as they were in.

This may appear harsh, but I am operating within the very clear guidelines that have been given to me by the admiistrators of Boards.ie, and if you are unhappy with their ruling, I can only ask that you take it up with them in the Feedback Forum.

Until clariification has been given one way or the other, please do NOT refer to the Irish Mirror or related stories.

Thanks

Danbo! · 24-03-2017 11:10PM

Irish Steve wrote: »

I may end up regretting this..

You shouldn't no matter what the outcome. Good call.

PukkaStukka · 24-03-2017 11:12PM

Danbo! wrote: »

Irish Steve wrote: »

I may end up regretting this..

You shouldn't no matter what the outcome. Good call.

+1. I'd have done the exact same

Mech1 · 24-03-2017 11:13PM

I posted the link, but I have no issue with your decision.

NabyLadistheman · 24-03-2017 11:14PM

I think that is the correct call. There is a reason no info has been released from all the various credible news agencies operating in Blacksod as well as the AAIU. Meas mor to all involved & please god we will have some positive news tomorrow

FrancieBrady · 24-03-2017 11:17PM

For what it is worth, I am with the mods on this too.

chuckles30 · 24-03-2017 11:20PM

Completely support the mod's decision here.....they're in the eye of a storm.

Rescue 116 Crash at Blackrock, Co Mayo(Mod note in post 1)

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