Bus Eireann

VinLieger · 24-03-2017 04:45PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

atomisation applies to most if not all, our economic systems are designed to encourage this type of behaviour. if we continue with it, it will ultimately end our species. thankfully stephen donnelly mentioned this again in the irish times inside politics podcast this week.

When traditional catchphrases and lack of facts fail, role out the hyperbole

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 05:03PM

Not one person I met today would approve of this vile strike and all the selfish parties that lead to it. While the workers have a valid issue in many regards, this form of strike is anything but acceptable. Towns are cut off and even some cities have no bus or train running between them. This is wrong. The NEXT STEP up after this type of strike is violent terrorism and sadly the unions are using this evil strike as a weapon in a similar way. They along with the BE management are 2 sides of the same bad coin. Who suffers here? Students, workers, shoppers, retailers, and ultimately BE itself. There should be at least one morning and one evening bus and train to and from places and the government has a duty to make the current type of strike totally illegal. All parties in BE should be told to end this by 6 this evening or else face criminal charges for disrupting the public.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:06PM

While the workers have a valid issue in many regards,

which is what exactly

hey along with the BE management are 2 sides of the same bad coi

How pray tell

here should be at least one morning and one evening bus and train to and from places

" Places " , like Boholla , etc , just because they are " places " , seems a bit odd

government has a duty to make the current type of strike totally illegal.

unlikely ,the state cant even control its own police force, what hope is there to control bus workers

Towns are cut off

Four busses passed near me in the last two hours , but sure we are cut off

Turtyturd · 24-03-2017 05:09PM

Wouldn't have any support for Bus Eireann in this and wouldn't miss the service if it was gone but I think after a few months of JJ Kavanagh people would be crying out for their return.

Permabear · 24-03-2017 05:17PM

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TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 05:17PM

Picture Arnie terminating BE

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:18PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Wouldn't have any support for Bus Eireann in this and wouldn't miss the service if it was gone but I think after a few months of JJ Kavanagh people would be crying out for their return.

or course they could get " a few" months of Wexford Bus and Aircoach and equally be delighted

Permabear · 24-03-2017 05:35PM

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Nomis21 · 24-03-2017 05:41PM

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" Places " , like Boholla , etc , just because they are " places " , seems a bit odd

Boholla has a population of 235 and increasing 10% every year. Don't you think these people should have the ability to work, socialize and shop in their local large town or City without having to buy a car to do it?

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:44PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

BoatMad wrote: »

which is what exactly

" Places " , like Boholla , etc , just because they are " places " , seems a bit odd

Boholla has a population of 235 and increasing 10% every year. Don't you think these people should have the ability to work, socialize and shop in their local large town or City without having to buy a car to do it?

Indeed I do , but none has an " automatic " entitlement to a bus service , The costs of providing such services have to met from general taxation and as such there is limit to what is practical

There are very few automatic rights, because unfortunately "rights" have to be paid for in general

Nomis21 · 24-03-2017 05:47PM

BoatMad wrote: »

I see you have not used Wexford Bus or Aircoach in recent years then

Not necessarily always old and unreliable but often the case.

Turtyturd · 24-03-2017 05:49PM

BoatMad wrote: »

or course they could get " a few" months of Wexford Bus and Aircoach and equally be delighted

That's nothing to do with the shambles of a service Kavanaghs provide.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:49PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

Not necessarily always old and unreliable but often the case.

every time I used them , I sat in a modern coach , some of the worst bus journeys I have made were on BE busses

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 05:49PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

That's nothing to do with the shambles of a service Kavanaghs provide.

entirely separate argument

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 05:50PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Wouldn't have any support for Bus Eireann in this and wouldn't miss the service if it was gone but I think after a few months of JJ Kavanagh people would be crying out for their return.

I don't care whom operates them but a reliable and stable bus and train service between all major parts of Ireland is needed. A problem is that some routes depend solely on BE and IE while others have more of a choice. It is sad that some parts of Ireland are rendered inaccessible by the current nonsense that should be rendered illegal as soon as possible (preferable Shane Ross will do the decent thing and issue a directive to make it illegal tonight: Where is Ayatollah Khomeini and the fatwa when you want him!!).

Shurimgreat · 24-03-2017 05:59PM

Nomis21 wrote: »

QUOTE

" Places " , like Boholla , etc , just because they are " places " , seems a bit odd

Boholla has a population of 235 and increasing 10% every year. Don't you think these people should have the ability to work, socialize and shop in their local large town or City without having to buy a car to do it?

I think the point he/she is making is that we don't need a huge bloated bus company to cater to the one or two people in the likes of Bohola who might use the bus daily or even the odd day.

I haven't used Bus Eireann in years. Any time I did, the bus was quarter to half full at best on the inter city routes. On non expressway routes it might be a handful of passengers, most of them oaps or with some exemption or other.

At some stage companies like BE have to streamline and consolidate around more profitable routes.

In any case, the government cannot favour BE over other operators. It looks like BE is doomed sooner or later and probably best to let it fail in the short run than pump in millions and have it fail later.

It can only succeed when it has a monopoly, much like Aer Lingus of old, RTE and Telecom Eireann. As soon as you introduce competition, these companies start to go to the wall and probably rightly so.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:06PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

I don't care whom operates them but a reliable and stable bus and train service between all major parts of Ireland is needed. A problem is that some routes depend solely on BE and IE while others have more of a choice. It is sad that some parts of Ireland are rendered inaccessible by the current nonsense that should be rendered illegal as soon as possible (preferable Shane Ross will do the decent thing and issue a directive to make it illegal tonight: Where is Ayatollah Khomeini and the fatwa when you want him!!).

seriously ,what are you arguing about , how is blazes name can a Minister arbitrarily decide to render strikes illegal.

you do your own arguments a disservice with this nonsense

gazzer · 24-03-2017 06:10PM

One of the issues about the Unions demands that p1sses me off is the overtime issue. Overtime isnt a right. The unions seem to think that it is though. Id love overtime in my job (as would a lot of people in the workforce) but it just doesnt happen.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:13PM

gazzer wrote: »

One of the issues about the Unions demands that p1sses me off is the overtime issue. Overtime isnt a right. The unions seem to think that it is though. Id love overtime in my job (as would a lot of people in the workforce) but it just doesnt happen.

its always the same in state bodies, High labour costs tend to lead to recruitments bans and the attractive pension tends to encourage early retirements. This then leads a labour resource issue which gets solved by paying overtime.

This then goes on for years until it becomes virtually taken for granted by the workforce and any attempt to re-intrioduce normal working results in industrial action

its time this stuff was put to an end

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 06:13PM

BoatMad wrote: »

seriously ,what are you arguing about , how is blazes name can a Minister arbitrarily decide to render strikes illegal.

you do your own arguments a disservice with this nonsense

Why the hell is a minister there then when he cannot sort out something? I bet if a gang of IRA lads decided to block the entrance to a bus or train station and disrupt the public for days, it would not be allowed. The government are there to make sure services are run for the people. They are there to govern hence the name. Most people who rely on buses and trains and have ONLY CIE companies as an option need to have them and the government needs to intervene. A government can bring in emergency legislation to solve an issue that has a detrimental affect whenever it wants, if they refuse to do so then frankly they should not be there. Shane Ross should resolve this thing and use ALL the power he has to do so. This strike should be rendered illegal now, they should be given 3 hours to dismantle it and then the service should be resumed. All issues and protests those involved have should be done so without annoying the public.

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:16PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Why the hell is a minister there then when he cannot sort out something? I bet if a gang of IRA lads decided to block the entrance to a bus or train station and disrupt the public for days, it would not be allowed. The government are there to make sure services are run for the people. They are there to govern hence the name. Most people who rely on buses and trains and have ONLY CIE companies as an option need to have them and the government needs to intervene. A government can bring in emergency legislation to solve an issue that has a detrimental whenever it wants, if they refuse to do so then frankly they should not be there. Shane Ross should resolve this thing and use ALL the power he has to do so.

Shane Ross cannot and would not be able to use any legislation to make an valid trade union dispute suddenly illegal, such an action would be unconstitutional and would be struck down by the courts

Most people who rely on buses and trains and have ONLY CIE companies as an option need to have them and the government needs to intervene.

NO, the solution is to end the situation where certain people have to depend on CIE ( arguably less and less people then previously)

VinLieger · 24-03-2017 06:22PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

Why the hell is a minister there then when he cannot sort out something? I bet if a gang of IRA lads decided to block the entrance to a bus or train station and disrupt the public for days, it would not be allowed. The government are there to make sure services are run for the people. They are there to govern hence the name. Most people who rely on buses and trains and have ONLY CIE companies as an option need to have them and the government needs to intervene. A government can bring in emergency legislation to solve an issue that has a detrimental affect whenever it wants, if they refuse to do so then frankly they should not be there. Shane Ross should resolve this thing and use ALL the power he has to do so. This strike should be rendered illegal now, they should be given 3 hours to dismantle it and then the service should be resumed. All issues and protests those involved have should be done so without annoying the public.

Please post more clueless nonsense its very entertaining

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 06:23PM

BoatMad wrote: »

Shane Ross cannot and would not be able to use any legislation to make an valid trade union dispute suddenly illegal, such an action would be unconstitutional and would be struck down by the courts

NO, the solution is to end the situation where certain people have to depend on CIE ( arguably less and less people then previously)

The unions should have the decency not to engage in such a type of strike anyway. Sadly, there is no law to make it illegal at present though that of course should be changed. Such a nature of a dispute like this is abuse by fanatics in unions who are sociopaths as they do not care about others.

Ireland should not be dependent on BE and they abuse their monopoly when they had it and still do on the routes they monopolies with their 30 Euro returns and the like between cities like Cork and Limerick, and Waterford and Limerick and until the Dublin Coaches got in Cork and Waterford too. BE does not deserve the public's support after this strike to be honest: it just shows that the people all sides in BE least care about is .... their CUSTOMERS!

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:27PM

All issues and protests those involved have should be done so without annoying the public.

its precisely because the CIE unions can " annoy " the public that they act in this way

remember the workers and their unions care not a whit about bus services , all they care about is maintaining or even increasing their current wage packets. The financial situation of their employer doesnt bother them one whit

This is because their gamble is that they can force Shane Ross to the table , with the taxpayers cheque at the ready

this is the ONLY way they solve this dispute , anything else either leads to pay cuts or redundancies

Hence the reason the public are being discommoded

Stiff upper lip now, Mr Public, back the Gov and put down this strike by showing that the public can live without CIE

In the meantime, shane ross can of course temporarily remove all route restrictions on private buses

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:28PM

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The unions should have the decency not to engage in such a type of strike anyway. Sadly, there is no law to make it illegal at present though that of course should be changed. Such a nature of a dispute like this is abuse by fanatics in unions who are sociopaths as they do not care about others.

Ireland should not be dependent on BE and they abuse their monopoly when they had it and still do on the routes they monopolies with their 30 Euro returns and the like between cities like Cork and Limerick, and Waterford and Limerick and until the Dublin Coaches got in Cork and Waterford too. BE does not deserve the public's support after this strike to be honest: it just shows that the people all sides in BE least care about is .... their CUSTOMERS!

now you are getting closer to a sensible position

the taxpayers needs this strike as the cancer that is CIE needs to be dealt with

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 06:44PM

BoatMad wrote: »

now you are getting closer to a sensible position

the taxpayers needs this strike as the cancer that is CIE needs to be dealt with

BE/IE/CIE needs to be dismantled and replaced with a proper service that cares about customers. This strike just shows us what a selfish and horrid company BE is. All sides in this are responsible for why no service has been provided today. I will from now on make a point not to go on a BE if I have the choice of someone else. They don't deserve my custom if today is how they treat their customers.

Why not just let other operators provide immediate bus services between say Dublin and Carrick on Shannon/Sligo or Limerick to Cork and Waterford and let BE and its greed fail?

BoatMad · 24-03-2017 06:53PM

Why not just let other operators provide immediate bus services between say Dublin and Carrick on Shannon/Sligo or Limerick to Cork and Waterford and let BE and its greed fail?

lots of private operators are increasing services on unregulated routes or where they have a joint route with BE

I wager that in time , if this strike continues, the NTA will suspend route controls or allow private operators temporary access to monopoly BE services ( and rail services also )

BuilderPlumber · 24-03-2017 06:57PM

BoatMad wrote: »

its precisely because the CIE unions can " annoy " the public that they act in this way

remember the workers and their unions care not a whit about bus services , all they care about is maintaining or even increasing their current wage packets. The financial situation of their employer doesnt bother them one whit

This is because their gamble is that they can force Shane Ross to the table , with the taxpayers cheque at the ready

this is the ONLY way they solve this dispute , anything else either leads to pay cuts or redundancies

Hence the reason the public are being discommoded

Stiff upper lip now, Mr Public, back the Gov and put down this strike by showing that the public can live without CIE

In the meantime, shane ross can of course temporarily remove all route restrictions on private buses

True. That would be the way to stop the extortion these unions are at. Lift the restrictions and let BE just to its own devices. Ireland could do without BE and CIE. It is doing a very poor job of public transport and unless I have to, I will not support BE again.

TheDoctor · 24-03-2017 07:04PM

Private buses making a fortune on the quays in Dublin this evening

CoolHandBandit · 24-03-2017 07:10PM

I hope the RSA are out in force today and over the length of the strike to check private bus operators drivers tacho cards for the hours working rule. A lot of these guys are complete fly by night chancers who pay drivers peanuts to undercut each other.

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