14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed over Garda error

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 04:01PM #1

It has also been revealed that from 2011 to 2016, the number of drink-driving tests gardaí claimed to have carried out was hugely exaggerated, by over

937,000. also

More than 14,500 people who were prosecuted for road traffic offences are to have their convictions quashed because of garda error.

Gardaí now have to appeal all those convictions, have those court-imposed penalties removed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.

Gardaí say they do not know why it happened and have pointed to system and policy failures.

However, they accepted it is reasonable for people to conclude many of the figures were just being made up.

:D

So what you think of that AH,s ?

Wont let me post link, its from RTE,news.

My opinon, I textless.

Barry Badrinath · 23-03-2017 04:06PM

They gave me 15,000 penalty points for being too handsome whilst driving a mechanically propelled vehicle.

The last time AGS produced good figures was at their Ladies Garda Ball.

suicide_circus · 23-03-2017 04:07PM

Yet another scandal

gramar · 23-03-2017 04:09PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

More than 14,500 people who were prosecuted for road traffic offences are to have their convictions quashed because of garda error.

What were the errors that led to the convictions being quashed?

skankkuvhima · 23-03-2017 04:09PM

I wonder if this judge feels a bit stupid now

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/nothing-as-appalling-as-a-liar-driver-committed-perjury-judge-1.2928295

About 14,700 people convicted in the courts were prosecuted without a fixed-charge notice first being issued.

Heisenberg1 · 23-03-2017 04:11PM

This really is madness they exaggerated the figures for the road side testing by over 900 thousand.They recorded that amount so when they were meant to be at a checkpoint doing tests they were not but recording that they were.The whole organisation is as crooked as a barrrel of snakes.

biko · 23-03-2017 04:12PM

https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2017/0323/861986-garda-road-traffic/
The article is a little easier to read

Beta Ray Bill · 23-03-2017 04:14PM

Read this earlier

Total P*** take.

A large portion of the Garda are dedicated to a Traffic, they are not even considered "Real" Garda among non-Traffic-Corps Guards.

It's clear that traffic wardens would be cheaper, do a better job and would allow for these traffic-corps "Garda" to actually be redirected to REAL police work. IE solving Murder, Theft, Rape, Corruption Cases, etc. Not handing out tickets and cruising around in Luxury Cars.

#Joke!

enricoh · 23-03-2017 04:14PM

They got the government to throw money at them when they threatened striking before Christmas, and that is all that matters really.
Maybe a committee will be set up to look into this, give it a timeframe of a year or two n it'll all be forgotten by then.

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-03-2017 04:20PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Gardaí say they do not know why it happened and have pointed to system and policy failures.

dont forget to say this when you get pulled over

Mr McBoatface · 23-03-2017 04:21PM

More Garda BS coming only days after taped garda threats caused the collapse of a trial
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/tape-of-garda-threats-to-man-s-wife-and-child-collapses-trial-1.3017992

Something seriously wrong with the culture within the Garda

whoopsadoodles · 23-03-2017 04:21PM

skankkuvhima wrote: »

I wonder if this judge feels a bit stupid now

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/nothing-as-appalling-as-a-liar-driver-committed-perjury-judge-1.2928295

Holy sh*t.

I got a court summons a few years ago after being stopped by a garda for speeding. I never received the notice in the post. I had followed up with the garda station but they said it would follow in a month or so.

On the day in court I was absolutely bricking it, and the judge really didn't want to believe that I'd never received the notice. He asked me "has any other post gone missing?" and I thought to myself "well how the hell would I know?" but obviously just said not that I was aware of.

The garda present on the day said he believed me and that's the only reason it ended up being struck out.

Thank fcuk I didn't get someone like that guy above

vicwatson · 23-03-2017 04:23PM

The state of Ireland is in a state, it just gets worse, and no accountability, ever

fiachr_a · 23-03-2017 04:24PM

I blame Prawo Jazdy.

Dionysius2 · 23-03-2017 04:24PM

This is just farcical.

vicwatson · 23-03-2017 04:28PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

More Garda BS coming only days after taped garda threats caused the collapse of a trial
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/tape-of-garda-threats-to-man-s-wife-and-child-collapses-trial-1.3017992

Something seriously wrong with the culture within the Garda

And is Detective Sergeant Padraig Boyce still a serving member of AGS? - more than likely.

Big C · 23-03-2017 04:35PM

What about drivers paying a shi* load extra insurance because of the dodgy points on the licence

BattleCorp · 23-03-2017 04:39PM

skankkuvhima wrote: »

I wonder if this judge feels a bit stupid now

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/nothing-as-appalling-as-a-liar-driver-committed-perjury-judge-1.2928295

I'm all for clamping down on guys speeding but to be banned for a year for going 13km/h over the speed limit is fcuking ridiculous.

23-03-2017 04:43PM

grahambo wrote: »

Read this earlier

Total P*** take.

A large portion of the Garda are dedicated to a Traffic, they are not even considered "Real" Garda among non-Traffic-Corps Guards.

It's clear that traffic wardens would be cheaper, do a better job and would allow for these traffic-corps "Garda" to actually be redirected to REAL police work. IE solving Murder, Theft, Rape, Corruption Cases, etc. Not handing out tickets and cruising around in Luxury Cars.

#Joke!

LOL, so your suggestion is that we take Gardai who are happy to claim double the amount of tests they do and put them into murder and corruption investigations?

Red Kev · 23-03-2017 04:51PM

skankkuvhima wrote: »

I wonder if this judge feels a bit stupid now

What's the betting there'll be scores of people suing because of slander and stress and made up shyte on this case. Another 'Army Deafness' case. Sure it doesn't matter anyway. A certain Mr & Mrs. G.O'Bshlte-Taxpayer will fork out for this as well.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/district-court/nothing-as-appalling-as-a-liar-driver-committed-perjury-judge-1.2928295

There was a bit more to that story; the fella involved was talking a pile of shyte in the court, or else he has a very selective memory. No idea if he received the notice for speeding, but he lied about receiving one for no motor tax, yet still managed to pay that fine.

In evidence yesterday, Mr Sutton said he did not receive the notice in the post. However, Sgt Molloy said a separate Garda notice was sent to Mr Sutton in relation to having no tax on the same date, and that was paid by him.
Sgt Molloy said: “I issued two tickets - one for speeding and one for tax. The tax incurs no penalty points, the speeding does. The tax was paid, the speeding wasn’t.”
Mr Sutton said he did not receive a notice for tax either.
Judge Durcan intervened to remind him he was under oath, and that not telling the truth would be committing perjury. He said: “Do you want to reconsider the replies you have already given.”
Mr Sutton said: “I was mistaken about the tax. I remember paying the tax.”

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-03-2017 04:52PM

Big C wrote: »

What about drivers paying a shi* load extra insurance because of the dodgy points on the licence

I presume they will all have to be compensated

wonder what the final figure will be?

Beta Ray Bill · 23-03-2017 04:55PM

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL, so your suggestion is that we take Gardai who are happy to claim double the amount of tests they do and put them into murder and corruption investigations?

Point taken....

DontThankMe · 23-03-2017 04:59PM

Not suprised at all complete shambles

BattleCorp · 23-03-2017 05:03PM

Noddyholder wrote: »

Gardaí now have to appeal all those convictions, have those court-imposed penalties removed and the State has to cover all costs, estimated to run into millions of euro.

Will the State also have to cover the costs incurred by motorists who employed a solicitor? In other words "I was incorrectly summonsed to court and had to hire a solicitor, where's my money for that?"

A_Sober_Paddy · 23-03-2017 05:04PM

Mr McBoatface wrote: »

More Garda BS coming only days after taped garda threats caused the collapse of a trial
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/tape-of-garda-threats-to-man-s-wife-and-child-collapses-trial-1.3017992

Something seriously wrong with the culture within the Garda

To me that is the Garda applying pressure to a suspect, I see nowt wrong with it...It's a semi automatic weapon not a bag of weed

Samsgirl · 23-03-2017 05:11PM

Will people be reimbursed for additional insurance charges due to points on licence?

_Kaiser_ · 23-03-2017 05:25PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

Will people be reimbursed for additional insurance charges due to points on licence?

Or if they were disqualified, if it impacted their livelihoods as a result etc etc.. Then there's the claims for damages you could submit for having your name blackened as a result

This will run into tens of millions yet. Another fine example of the Keystone Cops brigade we call a police force as if we hadn't enough examples already! AGS is not fit for purpose, the culture is corrupt and rotten to the core and it needs a drastic RUC/PSNI restructuring at this stage.

My name is URL · 23-03-2017 07:22PM

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Or if they were disqualified, if it impacted their livelihoods as a result etc etc.. Then there's the claims for damages you could submit for having your name blackened as a result

This will run into tens of millions yet. Another fine example of the Keystone Cops brigade we call a police force as if we hadn't enough examples already! AGS is not fit for purpose, the culture is corrupt and rotten to the core and it needs a drastic RUC/PSNI restructuring at this stage.

No no, I'm sure it was just one-or-two-bad-apples™ that's responsible for 1,000,000 false reports been made /s

Mr McBoatface · 23-03-2017 07:38PM

A_Sober_Paddy wrote: »

To me that is the Garda applying pressure to a suspect, I see nowt wrong with it...It's a semi automatic weapon not a bag of weed

Sure just like the pressure applied the the Biringham six .... they where accused of planting bombs and killing people not carrying weed so it makes it alright.

The Garda where making undue threats and feeding information hoping the man would answer thier questions the way they wanted to. No doubt in my mind they wanted a result to suit them and truth be damned.

Given the case collapsed the legal professionals felt the "pressure" was unlawful and the case couldn't proceed

I wonder how many other cases which involved that Garda will come under review now

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 07:45PM

Samsgirl wrote: »

Will people be reimbursed for additional insurance charges due to points on licence?

Well there's a question & a half, The insurance company's will have to clean there records to, Plus when your reapplying do you fill out yes I was caught speeding but... or I wasn't.

Harry Palmr · 23-03-2017 07:52PM

Good news - the Ass. Commissioner of the Road Policing will move from his position if he is requested to. FFS :rolleyes:

14,500 traffic convictions to be quashed over Garda error

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