Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

RobertKK · 23-03-2017 01:58PM

Aysha Frade yesterday was going to pick up her 8 and 11 year old children from school, when she got killed in this attack.
Children left without a mother, a husband without his wife.
Sadness left in their lives for a lifetime knowing how senseless the lost of their loved one has been.

This is why the terrorists will never win, no one will accept this occurrence as being normal and a way of life.
It is just plain evil and peace loving people are not going to cower in fear and let this dictate our lives.

We should remember the victims who are just people like us who were going about their daily lives, doing normal things.

The only worrying things about these attacks is they do help extremes on all sides of society, most noticeably seen in politics and referendum like Brexit.

But today we should remember people like Aysha Frade, who needlessly lost her life.

Depp · 23-03-2017 01:58PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

Have you read mine? We´re already in playing the silly game of deliberately misunderstanding each others post. What you can do, I can do as well. But what is clear to see is that you´ve some "agenda against Muslims" and I don´t have that. I have an agenda against all extremists, right, left, religious or otherwise, no matter what religion, creed or anything they associate themselves with.

I have no agenda against Muslims? You do realize you can be critical of certain ideologies within Islam without having a so called agenda against all that practice the faith right?

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 02:00PM

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

The title of the video is supposed to say it all in one line.

Do you have any idea who Sam Harris is no? To call the man a far right propagandist or anything of the sort is completely ludicrous.

I don´t give a f+ck who that man is and I told you already that the title of the video says it all. Far-right or right-wing, they mean all the same to me cos the line between them is very tiny, very tiny indeed.

Depp · 23-03-2017 02:01PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

Doesn´t count what you write elsewhere unless you post a link to those posts on other sites and identify yourself on here with the username you have over there. You´re considered by the very posts you write on here.

so because I commented on one particular website the event 600km from my home instead of the one 6000km from my home I have no right to an opinion without presenting all my online and offline comments on all platforms as evidence? for a guy who hates extremism you're being very extreme.

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 02:01PM

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

Have you read mine? We´re already in playing the silly game of deliberately misunderstanding each others post. What you can do, I can do as well. But what is clear to see is that you´ve some "agenda against Muslims" and I don´t have that. I have an agenda against all extremists, right, left, religious or otherwise, no matter what religion, creed or anything they associate themselves with.

I have no agenda against Muslims? You do realize you can be critical of certain ideologies within Islam without having a so called agenda against all that practice the faith right?

Sure, you don´t have any. Now, you might talk to yourself.

Boom_Bap · 23-03-2017 02:04PM

Depp & Thomas__

Take it to PM please, it's becoming torture to read at this stage.

Will I Am Not · 23-03-2017 02:04PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

I don´t give a f+ck who that man is and I told you already that the title of the video says it all. Far-right or right-wing, they mean all the same to me cos the line between them is very tiny, very tiny indeed.

The old not interested in any other opinion stance. Sounds about right.

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 02:05PM

Depp wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

Doesn´t count what you write elsewhere unless you post a link to those posts on other sites and identify yourself on here with the username you have over there. You´re considered by the very posts you write on here.

so because I commented on one particular website the event 600km from my home instead of the one 6000km from my home I have no right to an opinion without presenting all my online and offline comments on all platforms as evidence? for a guy who hates extremism you're being very extreme.

No, not extreme, just bored by your way of argumentation. Just remember, I never said you have no right to comment on whatever you like. I just disagree with your POVs and this seems to be the driving force for you to go on with it. You haven´t said anything I didn´t heard or read before anywhere else.

Il Fascista · 23-03-2017 02:06PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

I don´t give a f+ck who that man is and I told you already that the title of the video says it all. Far-right or right-wing, they mean all the same to me cos the line between them is very tiny, very tiny indeed.

Is a moderate Muslim and Islamist the same thing too?

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 02:07PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

Depp & Thomas__

Take it to PM please, it's becoming torture to read at this stage.

I´m not going to answer any further post from this chap and I have told him so before, well, not that directly, but now I said it straight.

The_Kew_Tour · 23-03-2017 02:09PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But then you get the issue as to what you define as "spilling hate". One such poster here said that people should be sentenced to death (thus getting banned). Is that not spilling hate? Should they be deported? Does it only count if they are Muslim? What about the numerous posters here who have said some vile stuff? Shouldn't they be deported too?

I'm sure someone would come along and say, "hurpa durpa strawman hurpa durpa", but the point is that it's not a clear cut as people make it out to be.

Anybody that waa to harm or murder innocent people.

It cant be more clear

Depp · 23-03-2017 02:09PM

Thomas__ wrote: »

Sure, you don´t have any. Now, you might talk to yourself.

So Islam is off limits to criticism in any way then or else you have ''an agenda against islam?''

Thomas__ wrote: »

I don´t give a f+ck who that man is and I told you already that the title of the video says it all. Far-right or right-wing, they mean all the same to me cos the line between them is very tiny, very tiny indeed.

Fairly standard practice, just ignore all info presented that doesn't agree with your standpoint. For your information Harris is about as left leaning a commentator as you will find. Plenty of info there to research if you so wish.

Anyway per mod request I wont be replying to your nonsense further, but feel free to fire me a pm if you have any argument other than to tell me what you think my beliefs are.

Thomas__ · 23-03-2017 02:21PM

Il Fascista wrote: »

Thomas__ wrote: »

I don´t give a f+ck who that man is and I told you already that the title of the video says it all. Far-right or right-wing, they mean all the same to me cos the line between them is very tiny, very tiny indeed.

Is a moderate Muslim and Islamist the same thing too?

This question comes apparently from the right poster, by the nickname he chosed for this board. I don´t bother to answer that one.

wes · 23-03-2017 02:25PM

Depp wrote: »

Did I blame all muslims though I'm confused?

Look at my post a few pages ago

I condemn christian and islam terrorists with the same fervour but im right wing I dont have the moral authority right?

I am not talking about you personally

. Just pointing out that the right, are engaged in what they accuse other people of. You are clearly not the right, and I apologize if you think I am talking about you. I am not, and that is not my intent to blame you in any shape or form.

Snake Plisken · 23-03-2017 02:27PM

Yeah this pretty much sums the idiotic response of the left!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZgG0p6eBBY

wes · 23-03-2017 02:28PM

Depp wrote: »

thats exactly what you're saying here...the right have a problem so we cant criticize...this is saying explcitly that certain elements on the right represent them all so they all should shut up...thanks for proving mine!

Except I didn't. I take issue with the moral grand standing. I have seen attacks again and again from the right, against the left etc, when they themselves are guilty of what they say other are.

Go ahead and criticise, but the right has no moral high ground, when it comes to terror.

wes · 23-03-2017 02:32PM

robinph wrote: »

...and how many people here have visited London or Canada, worked there, have relatives there, walked across the bridge or through the tube station and watch the TV news channels from there.

The nearer to home the story is the more interested people will be in it and the more they will have to say on the matter. Not really a fair comparison based on number of pages on a thread in After Hours.

Both are Western countries, so the comparison is apt. The victims in one cases were Muslims attacked by a far right extremist, and the other British people by an Islamic extremist. I think the number of page is apt, as interest on that thread died when the perpetrator was found not to be Muslim.

donkeykong5 · 23-03-2017 02:34PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

biko wrote: »

Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations?
Isn't that counterproductive?

And
Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale
Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever.

And
The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white.
Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.

No it's not. If you are a refugee, you will want to go to the richest countries to try to rebuild your life.

And
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were born in Britain.

And
The Rotherham "Pakistanis" were born in Britain.

From parents who came over to bum off the country. Ireland take note. .....

donkeykong5 · 23-03-2017 02:34PM

Professor Moriarty wrote: »

biko wrote: »

Why do Syrians, Iraqis etc flee toward the bombing nations?
Isn't that counterproductive?

And
Lee Rigby were killed by Nigerians Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale
Britain haven't bombed Nigeria ever.

And
The bulk of the child rapists in Rotherham were Pakistani. The victims all white.
Britain haven't bombed Pakstani ever.

No it's not. If you are a refugee, you will want to go to the richest countries to try to rebuild your life.

And
Michael Adebolajo and Michael Adebowale were born in Britain.

And
The Rotherham "Pakistanis" were born in Britain.

From parents who came over to bum off the country. Ireland take note. .....

CoolHandBandit · 23-03-2017 02:35PM

Personally i think we will see an increase in these kind of attacks as Islamic state is routed by Russian, American, Iraqi, Syrian forces over the next while. A lot of these rats are going to be headed for Europe im afraid.

Billy86 · 23-03-2017 02:36PM

donkeykong5 wrote: »

From parents who came over to bum off the country. Ireland take note. .....

What are his parents names, when did they move over and what proof do you have of them not being employed during their time in the UK?

CoolHandBandit · 23-03-2017 02:37PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39369202

Looks like they stopped a possible attempt in Belgium.

Noddyholder · 23-03-2017 02:37PM

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-39369202

Another attempted attack in Belgium, news is sketchy at moment

donkeykong5 · 23-03-2017 02:42PM

Billy86 wrote: »

donkeykong5 wrote: »

From parents who came over to bum off the country. Ireland take note. .....

What are his parents names, when did they move over and what proof do you have of them not being employed during their time in the UK?

I was referring to the parents of the scum who murdered lee Rigby and the parents of the Pakistani rapists. Who are you on about ?

Richard Hillman · 23-03-2017 02:46PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Yeah this pretty much sums the idiotic response of the left!

Outstanding video. These lunatics will rather see scores of people dead on the streets than admit being wrong.

He makes a great point in that the Islamists are already starting to shape our society by limiting free speech. We reinforced our Blasphemy laws in and around global Islamic protests about cartoons and films.

Also a good point about any criticism of Islam will be deemed Islamophobic. If you make any criticism about black gang culture, you are a racist. If you make any criticism of overly camp gay people, you are homophobic. If you make any criticism of travellers, you are a bigot.

What makes people think that criticising elements is Islam will be different?

Snake Plisken · 23-03-2017 02:46PM

Time for the intelligence services across Europe to intern anyone that has come across their desk as a possible extremist and do a proper assessment of them. These monsters will never learn you have to fight fire with fire with these scumbags.

CoolHandBandit · 23-03-2017 02:50PM

Snake Plisken wrote: »

Time for the intelligence services across Europe to intern anyone that has come across their desk as a possible extremist and do a proper assessment of them. These monsters will never learn you have to fight fire with fire with these scumbags.

Europeans haven't got the bottle to fight fire with fire. All iv'e heard since yesterdays attack is how we must be more tolerant and accept this as part and parcel of life in a big city.

robinph · 23-03-2017 02:50PM

wes wrote: »

Both are Western countries, so the comparison is apt. The victims in one cases were Muslims attacked by a far right extremist, and the other British people by an Islamic extremist. I think the number of page is apt, as interest on that thread died when the perpetrator was found not to be Muslim.

If you are comparing an attack by one kind of extremist in Vancouver with one by another type of extremist in Montreal then you may have a point, but Canada is further away than London in terms of miles, media exposure, culture, relatives, and people having visited in person. You also have the time of day that it happened matching up with when people are sat around trying to avoid doing work and watching live news feeds on the internet, something happening in Canada is less likely to be occurring live on the 24 news feed in Ireland at a time of day when people are awake to tweet about it.

ohnonotgmail · 23-03-2017 02:54PM

robinph wrote: »

If you are comparing an attack by one kind of extremist in Vancouver with one by another type of extremist in Montreal then you may have a point, but Canada is further away than London in terms of miles, media exposure, culture, relatives, and people having visited in person. You also have the time of day that it happened matching up with when people are sat around trying to avoid doing work and watching live news feeds on the internet, something happening in Canada is less likely to be occurring live on the 24 news feed in Ireland at a time of day when people are awake to tweet about it.

the thread died as soon as the nature of the attacker was known. Nothing else.

CB19Kevo · 23-03-2017 02:55PM

Looks like we are entering a vicious circle.
More terror attacks by Muslims>Increase in Islamic isolation>More Muslims becoming radicalized>Increased attacks>Response by the citizens,attacking Mosques.

Very sad but i cant see how this can be stopped,Some prevented yes.

Maybe the reason politicians do not want to admit the problem is because they know there is no solution.

Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

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