Attack outside UK Houses Of Parliament — No speculation — Read 1st post

Grayson wrote: »

Is it written in arabic? Because if it isn't it could be loads of random teenagers who are reading it.
Hell, you could even have right wing groups circulating it saying "Look what the muslims are making"

Possibly, but I think it's fair to assume that a) the number of individuals you cite as doing so is likely to be a tiny proportion of the 600 a day downloads and b)they aren't the ones to worry about reading that crap.

Delighted to hear the attacker is dead.

Omackeral wrote: »

Nobody in their right thinks that 1.3Billion followers of the Islamic faith are terrorists. However, there is a massive problem with Islamic terrorism i.e. terror in the name of Islam. Not hard to grasp the difference.

There is, there's no doubt. It's worse in the middle east than it is here. The paris attacks were horrific but it's nothing compared to what ISIS have done in Iraq and Syria.

The problem that people like me have is identifying mainstream Islam with militant Islam. We wouldn't identify militant christian identity groups with Christianity. Both of those groups have more in common with each other than they do with their religions mainstream adherents.

Omackeral wrote: »

Police chief says there's only one suspect.

Ok I presumed that it was two...because footage on tv and other photos shows one suspect on ground beside jeep and in news footage it shows a blue forensics tent in grounds of Parliament.

bubblypop wrote: »

What do you feel is wrong with our security?
What would you suggest we do?

Proper screening, DNA swabs and more fingerprints of all refugees and migrants, it's basically common sense, but most people these days have lost the gift of common sense it seems.

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What are blabbering on about? There's been consistent terrorist attacks on Europe for the past few years, is your point that because we have better cancer treatment and so on, these terrorists attacks aren't a real threat? Tell that to the Woman who's squashed head is lying under a double decker bus today.

I gave up playing into that garbage argument a long time ago, anyone who underplays what's happening is putting Europe and therefore my life in danger, so they can kindly go fúck themselves.

No, the number of terrorist attacks and the number of deaths has been decreasing since the turn of the century. There used to be loads of groups committing terrorist attacks in nearly every country in Europe. From the IRA, to Red faction to the PLO. There has been a huge drop in terrorist attacks. Even recently the number of actual attacks is still lower than it was before (Although the number of victims has increased).

The point that you were initially replying to is that we are still living in a safe continent. We no longer have huge wars. Millions used to die because of wars in Europe.

Even with terrorist attacks, we're not in any real danger. The numbers dying are tiny. It's a couple of hundred people amongst hundreds of millions. I'm sure that's no consolation to the people who lost loved ones or who were injured in attacks, but it should be for us. The danger from terrorism is minimal.

end of the road wrote: »

border controls and travel bans aren't going to make a jot of difference. if someone is a nut and they are determined to do something then sadly they will.

Yes they will, as long as its permanent. We are suffering from the open boarders of decades passed. In decades to come we will suffer from the open boarders of today.

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

What in the actual fúck? Say that to the face of the hundreds of victims families in the past couple of years and see what happens.

Moral grandstanding for worthless internet points scoring is pretty pathetic.

"Try saying that to the hundreds of people who died in traffic collisions.."

"Try saying that to the hundreds of people who died in muggings.."

"Try saying that to the hundreds of people who died in fires.."

Holding tragedies in context isn't for the people that they happen to. It's for everyone else so that they have a rational understanding of the world around them.

Terrorism does not pose a serious threat and we have more to lose from overreacting in fear of it than we do to the acts themselves.

It's used as a power grab for cynical scumbags who're happy to play on fear to push authoritarian and/or racist policies, and as we can see here on this thread, it can be used as a poorly thought out justifaction by punters for the same kinds of racist and authoritarian policies.

Your vapid bleating and the kinds of politics you support is exactly the reason why we do need to hold these attacks in context.

Fearful politics supported because of innumeracy and a failure to understand risk by the electorate pose a constant and existential threat to the Western world. A tiny number of pissed off lunatics does not.

end of the road wrote: »

a man was lying on the ground. that's all. he may have been muslim and he may not have been.




one of the other "breeds" of muslims? could you name these "breeds"



border controls and travel bans aren't going to make a jot of difference. if someone is a nut and they are determined to do something then sadly they will.

Would you go as far to say there's no need for security measures relating to terrorism at all or just at borders?

end of the road wrote: »

what constitutes "Proper screening," in your view?
DNA swabs and finger prints are being done for all we know. it's not something that would make the national or local news though.

I understand that it might already be done, but I really think the public should be told if it is being done, it's all hidden from the public just like corruption within government circles etc..., we are really never told what is going on behind government doors.

A new kind of war that affects every single person in the western countries. Just when you think that things can get better for humanity, we always enter a new world of war, one individual that can cause so much pain and suffering.

AMKC wrote: »

Shooting the bastard that done this was too good for him but its better that than him getting to kill more people. Is this going to see the UK going like France and Belgium with the Army everywhere? I think it will.

Hooray for Multiculturalism! Give up your horrible socially cohesive societies so that you too can live in a heavily monitored police state! It's a minor trade off really....

Totally shocking stuff today, I was on the District line a few stops away from Westminster when it happened - we had an announcement that services were slightly delayed due to "an incident", something that's common so paid no heed. It was only when I was above ground I got the text off my missus.

I've read a lot of this thread and as usual some of it is reasoned comment and a lot of it is kneejerk alarmist b*llocks. I would strongly suspect this is an attack by Islamic fanatics but those spinning the "kick the refugees out" line are probably way off the mark. The vast majority of attacks that have occurred in the U.K. of this nature were committed by people born and raised in England, often third generation removed from their country of origin and others who were West Indian or African converts to Islam. Around 5% of the UK is of Islamic faith now and again, most of them are born and reared British citizens.

Radicalism is definitely an important issue to address, but it's far more complex than 'round them up and send them home.'