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  • #392
    BorneTobyWilde
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,858 ✭✭✭✭BorneTobyWilde


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm too lazy to catch up. Can someone just tell me was this a Muslamic attack?

    Nope it was some blonde Mormon girl who has had enough of baking cookies and sharing them.


  • #393
    Call Me Jimmy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ScumLord wrote: »
    Over all it's much better. We're at war with a set of people that can't really put up much opposition, this attack is what they've been reduced to. The US and UK have a massive militaries with airplanes, ships, guided missiles, professional fighters, the list goes on and on. Terrorists have a set of car keys and a machete. Compared to the 1940s when the enemy was as powerful as the allies it's no comparison at all.

    If the UK and US weren't involved in Muslim countries carrying out military strikes the extremists may find it very difficult to find volunteers, it's not easy to convince a family man to fight if there's no reason to, if you kill his family you make conflict with him inevitable.

    Then ye get to the point where you have to question the realities of a geo-political order. Any void left by the UK and US will be filled eventually by China / Russia. They have much less to worry about in terms of democratic populations holding them to account. So its easy to say US and UK should mind their own business, but without democracy there's not a hope of the other 'superpowers' playing nice around the world as well.

    It would theoretically reduce these attacks though I suppose which is your point. Thinking out loud here.


  • #394
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,179 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    Photo is not perfectly clear around his face, but he looked of African descent to me.

    I thought that too. It's probable that the style of beard, which is quite common amongst adherents of the religion which must bot be named, many of whom dwell in lands further east, confused the issue.


  • #395
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    Neon_Lights wrote: »
    Political correctness is what's wrong in the world today nobody can call a spade a spade anymore

    I'd say what's wrong with the world is that people don't spend enough time analysing their own thought processes, looking beyond the end of their own noses, or appreciating nuance and complexity. Instead tending to react abruptly out of fear, boiling things down to simple slogans, trusting self-interested parties to provide easy answers, and proposing infantile solutions.

    But horses for courses.


  • #396
    pumpkin4life
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭pumpkin4life


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    I'm too lazy to catch up. Can someone just tell me was this a Muslamic attack?

    Looking more and more like it. Here's the picture:

    terrorist%20suspect_0.jpg


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  • #397
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Grayson wrote: »
    I'll agree with you about climate change and the wars/migrations that will come with it.
    Hopefully the recent blip in terrorism will settle down again.

    "Hope is not a strategy"


  • #398
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    Sky News showing footage of the attacker being bandaged up and carefully put into the back of an ambulance... he drove over three teenage french students... Would it not just have been easier to set fire to him?

    no . it would be against the law.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #399
    somefeen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,657 ✭✭✭somefeen


    John_D80 wrote: »
    Everybody seems to be reluctant to commit to the fact that this was an Asian person.

    No such reluctance in commiting to the fact that it was a male. Perhaps this person identifies as female but chooses to look like a male.

    Shame on us for assuming this was a man based on eyewitness accounts. Very un-PC of us.

    You seriously need to come off it.
    It was an asian man, doesn't matter, its meaningless. Hence no one has 'commited' to the fact. He could have been born and raised, seventh generation in London and been a devout orthodox Jew.
    You realise the UK, London especially has huge racial diversity, you can't take someones race and immediately assume you know their background or religion.
    Everyone on here posting that they arent surprised it was an Asian or that the race of the attacker somehow proves the motive and ethos behind his actions is just racist. It goes beyond a xenophobic fear of immigrants or sectarianism. Its just blatantly and disgustingly racist. I question the intelligence of those people, and your comments about the attackers gender prove I am right to do so.


  • #400
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Gbear wrote: »
    And yet it's the safest it's ever been.

    The absolutely most important thing to remember about terrorism is that it doesn't pose any serious threat in itself (barring massive nuclear or chemical attacks) and the extent to which we let it govern our lives is almost entirely within our own hands.

    What has happened today is obviously a tragedy, but while the shock of this type of attack has waned, there's still shock that there's been any loss of life and that reflects on how insulated most people are from mortality in our modern world, and that's very much a good thing.

    Centuries of sending all the peasants charging into walls of pikes, rifles or machineguns, total war, equally powerful nations facing off with devastating firepower... that's the world our parents or grandparents had to deal with.
    The one we've inherited is far safer and the one inherited by our children will likely be safer still.

    It's important to hold these kinds of attacks in context.

    The threat they pose only becomes significant if they begin to happen in large numbers.

    What in the actual fúck? Say that to the face of the hundreds of victims families in the past couple of years and see what happens.


  • #401
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    cnocbui wrote: »
    I thought that too. It's probable that the style of beard, which is quite common amongst adherents of the religion which must bot be named, many of whom dwell in lands further east, confused the issue.

    Isn't he part of the Ummah? That's the worldwide family of Muslims? He could be of any race/nationality you cannot tell.


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  • #402
    [Deleted User]
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    seamus wrote: »
    In recent times, sure. No doubting that. Before the muslims, it was the catholics.

    My point is that by ascribing far more agency to lone loony attacks than they're due, you're actually compounding the problem that creates them in the first place.
    Muslim guy attacks <something> - "He's a member of a muslim terrorist organisation!!" - "Muslims are out to kill us all!!" - fear increases - racism increases - discrimination against Muslims increases - Muslim with mental health issues is sick of being discriminated against - He pledges allegiance to to ISIS and randomly attacks <something> - "He's a member of a muslim terrorist organisation!!"

    And so forth.

    And what actually happens is that you make people afraid of the terrorist organisation who didn't really have anything to do with the attack and you miss the more immediate concern about your society.

    Stop labelling every random attack a "terrorist attack". A mentally ill person who carries out an attack is mentally ill whether they shout "Britain First", or "Allu Ahkbar", "Tiocfaidh ár la". Claiming membership of ISIS doesn't suddenly mean he's an elite holy soldier following a sophisticated plan.
    So the entire troubles was caused by mental illness?

    Where are the Methodists driving over people? Or the Poles? Or Lithuanians?


  • #403
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Yes, and the incidence of both are the same like.:rolleyes:

    Seriously this whole "sure we're all as bad as each other" rubbish doesn't help anybody. If vegans made up 3% of the population but were responsible for a majority of attacks then would we be afraid to point it out? All this rubbish does is shore up the far-right, as anyone with a brain can see the whole "Oh sure it's nothing to do with religion" argument is complete bull. However this one plays out, the fact remains that a disproportionate amount of attacks are planned and perpetrated by muslims.

    It depends on what the vast majority means. If there's 3 million vegans, 4 attacks and they committed 3 of them, what does that mean?

    If the vegans attacked animal labs and the rest of the vegans said "That's wrong, I know why they did it but that's wrong" then suddenly the rest of the vegans are terrorist sympathisers.

    If the vegans say they'd be happy to live in a world where no-one ate meat then suddenly they want to impose their values on us.

    You're left with a vegan munching away on a tofu burger saying "What do you mean I'm a terrorist sympathiser who wants to destroy your way of life?".


  • #404
    BorneTobyWilde
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    ScumLord wrote: »
    Over all it's much better. We're at war with a set of people that can't really put up much opposition, this attack is what they've been reduced to. The US and UK have a massive militaries with airplanes, ships, guided missiles, professional fighters, the list goes on and on. Terrorists have a set of car keys and a machete. Compared to the 1940s when the enemy was as powerful as the allies it's no comparison at all.

    If the UK and US weren't involved in Muslim countries carrying out military strikes the extremists may find it very difficult to find volunteers, it's not easy to convince a family man to fight if there's no reason to, if you kill his family you make conflict with him inevitable.

    So we should be happy they're a bit slow. I agree.
    Think of the terror of a ghost terrorist like the Washington Sniper. That would be terror for London, Islamic snipers picking off people and vanishing likes ghosts until the next attack. People would not leave their homes in such an event, London would be in lock down for weeks, months, not just a few minutes like today.
    The Washington Sniper had a whole state in terror, people would crawl under their car as they filled up at gas stations , worried that he was watching and lining up a shot. That was terror.


  • #405
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,063 ✭✭✭conorhal


    Grayson wrote: »
    I downloaded the anarchists cookbook about 20 years ago. Was just interested in what was in it. I'd be terrified to do that now.

    20years ago the US and UK governments weren't tracking every squeak you made on the internet. I'd expect a knock on the door or at the very least, and entry on a watchlist if you were to do such a thing today.
    Doubtless, like your edgy lefty teenage self, most of the downloading is 'edgy teenage Muslims' curious about being transgressive in that juvenile manner. The problems is that a worryingly high number of those doing so are not, or may in fact be flirting with radicalization. 55k in a 3 month period is rather high, how could you ever follow up such numbers?


  • #406
    SILVAMAN
    Closed Accounts Posts: 730 ✭✭✭SILVAMAN


    end of the road wrote: »
    prove it. it might very well be but until actual proof from the authorities comes out then your statement is just a claim which means jot. sorry about that.

    The proof was lying on the ground. He's certainly Muslim. And the knife.
    It not because Daddy didn't buy him a bicycle when he was five years old.
    Of course we could go your way; all gather in a circle, join hands and sing Kumbya.


  • #407
    [Deleted User]
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    Grayson wrote: »
    It depends on what the vast majority means. If there's 3 million vegans, 4 attacks and they committed 3 of them, what does that mean?

    If the vegans attacked animal labs and the rest of the vegans said "That's wrong, I know why they did it but that's wrong" then suddenly the rest of the vegans are terrorist sympathisers.

    If the vegans say they'd be happy to live in a world where no-one ate meat then suddenly they want to impose their values on us.

    You're left with a vegan munching away on a tofu burger saying "What do you mean I'm a terrorist sympathiser who wants to destroy your way of life?".
    Let's just wait until the vegans do start that. But I have a funny feeling they won't.


  • #408
    topper75
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    Grayson wrote: »
    It depends on what the vast majority means. If there's 3 million vegans, 4 attacks and they committed 3 of them, what does that mean?

    If the vegans attacked animal labs and the rest of the vegans said "That's wrong, I know why they did it but that's wrong" then suddenly the rest of the vegans are terrorist sympathisers.

    If the vegans say they'd be happy to live in a world where no-one ate meat then suddenly they want to impose their values on us.

    You're left with a vegan munching away on a tofu burger saying "What do you mean I'm a terrorist sympathiser who wants to destroy your way of life?".

    Followers of a lifestyle choice do not equate in any way to followers of an explicitly stated religious dogma that expressly instructs its followers to attack non-adherents.

    Analogy is a bit flat.


  • #409
    The Oort Cloud
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 470 ✭✭The Oort Cloud


    Even though this seems to be caused by one random crazy person, I'm sure it will cause them to tighten their borders and screening processes yet again even tighter. I hate to say it, but I knew this would happen in London. It will happen in Ireland as well in the near future. IS integrating themselves into groups of refugees, ripped up passport.

    Individual people have different thoughts and understanding in regard to others opinions, but the problem is this... there are some people out there that will do everything in their power to cut you off when they do not like your opinion even when it is truth.

    https://youtu.be/v8EseBe4eIU



  • #410
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    What in the actual fúck? Say that to the face of the hundreds of victims families in the past couple of years and see what happens.

    It means what they said. Cancer rates have been dropping in younger people. That's great and we should be happy with that. It doesn't mean a big fcuk you to anyone who actually has cancer.

    Terrorist attacks are rare. In the big scheme of things there's a whole lot more to worry about. The last year or so has actually been an aberration. Over all that's good news. And Europe is the safest it's ever been. There's far less ways to die today than there was years ago and we're far less likely to dies a violent death. Until after WW2 and the EU was founded not a generation went by without a war in continental Europe. That's thousands of years of fighting.

    That doesn't diminish the impact that a terrorist attack has on individuals. It just means that over all as a population we've never had it better. Can we make it better still? Yes. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy with the progress we made. .


  • #411
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Political correctness exists according to 97% of people here on Boards.ie. Either you're wrong or literally nearly everyone else is.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057712641
    end of the road wrote: »
    it doesn't. i'm not wrong. trust in me as i shall provide the truth and nothing but.


    The 97% are completely wrong and you're right. Ok. You keep crying that IT DOESN'T EXIST every time it comes up but literally everyone else bar you says it does. Why do people keep saying it? Why is it a phrase? Why is it a thing at all? I'm inclined to believe it's a thing. Everyone says it bar you.


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  • #412
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    topper75 wrote: »
    Followers of a lifestyle choice do not equate in any way to followers of an explicitly stated religious dogma that expressly instructs its followers to attack non-adherents.

    Analogy is a bit flat.

    Are you talking about christians? ;)

    The thing is that if Muslims are supposed to attack non Muslims then why aren't they all doing it constantly? Why isn't every one of them out on a street right now stabbing people? Why is it only the few that either have mental problems or have been radicalised?


  • #413
    Grayson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,833 ✭✭✭✭Grayson


    conorhal wrote: »
    20years ago the US and UK governments weren't tracking every squeak you made on the internet. I'd expect a knock on the door or at the very least, and entry on a watchlist if you were to do such a thing today.
    Doubtless, like your edgy lefty teenage self, most of the downloading is 'edgy teenage Muslims' curious about being transgressive in that juvenile manner. The problems is that a worryingly high number of those doing so are not, or may in fact be flirting with radicalization. 55k in a 3 month period is rather high, how could you ever follow up such numbers?

    Is it written in arabic? Because if it isn't it could be loads of random teenagers who are reading it.
    Hell, you could even have right wing groups circulating it saying "Look what the muslims are making"


  • #414
    Atlantic Dawn
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    GDY151


    4 now dead including a police officer and the attacker.


  • #415
    [Deleted User]
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    Grayson wrote: »

    The thing is that if Muslims are supposed to attack non Muslims then why aren't they all doing it constantly? Why isn't every one of them out on a street right now stabbing people? Why is it only the few that either have mental problems or have been radicalised?

    Nobody in their right thinks that 1.3Billion followers of the Islamic faith are terrorists. However, there is a massive problem with Islamic terrorism i.e. terror in the name of Islam. Not hard to grasp the difference.


  • #416
    pumpkin4life
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    Grayson wrote: »
    It means what they said. Cancer rates have been dropping in younger people. That's great and we should be happy with that. It doesn't mean a big fcuk you to anyone who actually has cancer.

    Terrorist attacks are rare. In the big scheme of things there's a whole lot more to worry about. The last year or so has actually been an aberration. Over all that's good news. And Europe is the safest it's ever been. There's far less ways to die today than there was years ago and we're far less likely to dies a violent death. Until after WW2 and the EU was founded not a generation went by without a war in continental Europe. That's thousands of years of fighting.

    That doesn't diminish the impact that a terrorist attack has on individuals. It just means that over all as a population we've never had it better. Can we make it better still? Yes. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy with the progress we made. .

    Ridiculous. You're looking at the extremes (terrorist events/nutjob on the rampage) rather than the distribution. You also have no idea growing up in an area like this what the reality is like. My area was full of scumbag travellers which destroyed the community for everyone, hard decent lads.

    Surely with one of your ten degrees in maths you know this?

    Break it down to a basic crime level.

    What population of people makes up a disproportionate amount of crimes, prison population, arrest, etc? It ain't Mormons or East Asian Buddhists anyway.

    Have you read any of the studies on people's perceptions and happiness as a result of increased diversity in their neighborhoods? Have you read on people's perception of reality and their ability to be persuaded? Or the idea that crime has a non-linear (increased by the internet) where one crime on one person has a ripple effect that can affect hundreds if not thousands of people?

    Multiculturalism is an antihuman belief and concept that has been debunked by thousand of years of history and a number of recent scientific studies. The whole thing is just nuts.


  • #417
    end of the road
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,537 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    4 people now dead including the attacker and the police officer. 20 injured.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • #418
    harr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,512 ✭✭✭harr


    So it's two suspects shot and one police officer stabbed...so I presume two suspects in 4x4 one shot at or in 4x4 the other makes run at gate stabs police officer who has died then that attacker is shot?
    Confirmed now that 4 people have died so far...


  • #419
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Grayson wrote: »
    It means what they said. Cancer rates have been dropping in younger people. That's great and we should be happy with that. It doesn't mean a big fcuk you to anyone who actually has cancer.

    Terrorist attacks are rare. In the big scheme of things there's a whole lot more to worry about. The last year or so has actually been an aberration. Over all that's good news. And Europe is the safest it's ever been. There's far less ways to die today than there was years ago and we're far less likely to dies a violent death. Until after WW2 and the EU was founded not a generation went by without a war in continental Europe. That's thousands of years of fighting.

    That doesn't diminish the impact that a terrorist attack has on individuals. It just means that over all as a population we've never had it better. Can we make it better still? Yes. But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't be happy with the progress we made. .

    What are blabbering on about? There's been consistent terrorist attacks on Europe for the past few years, is your point that because we have better cancer treatment and so on, these terrorists attacks aren't a real threat? Tell that to the Woman who's squashed head is lying under a double decker bus today.

    I gave up playing into that garbage argument a long time ago, anyone who underplays what's happening is putting Europe and therefore my life in danger, so they can kindly go fúck themselves.


  • #420
    donkeykong5
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    end of the road wrote: »
    PeterTheNinth wrote: »
    Sky News showing footage of the attacker being bandaged up and carefully put into the back of an ambulance... he drove over three teenage french students... Would it not just have been easier to set fire to him?

    no . it would be against the law.
    Was he law abiding ?


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  • #421
    [Deleted User]
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    harr wrote: »
    So it's two suspects shot and one police officer stabbed...so I presume two suspects in 4x4 one shot at or in 4x4 the other makes run at gate stabs police officer who has died then that attacker is shot?
    Confirmed now that 4 people have died so far...

    Police chief says there's only one suspect.


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