Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

Django99 · 20-03-2017 12:10AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I know, I was saying for there to be a fight for "a vacant title" it'd involve stripping Conor and stripping Aldo of the Interim. It would have made no sense.

But I'd have been fine with Aldo v Frankie at UFC 200 not being for a title and then just stripping Conor to set up a title fight for a vacant title.

To be fair, RDAs injury was the biggest thing in creating this mess. Diaz not following the script and choking out McGregor pushed everthingg back another few months. Khabib pulling out makes it even worse. Imagine if Pettis has beaten Holloway, what sort of a situation would we be in then!

Mellor · 20-03-2017 12:25AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

But I'd have been fine with Aldo v Frankie at UFC 200 not being for a title and then just stripping Conor to set up a title fight for a vacant title.

Me too tbh. I didn't see the point in using an interim title so soon after Aldo lost it.
At least when Barao, Condit, GSP, the HWs, Conor, Jones had interim fights there were extenuation circumstances that made sense for it.

Django99 wrote: »

To be fair, RDAs injury was the biggest thing in creating this mess

Agreed. It was all RDA's fault

Django99 · 20-03-2017 12:34AM

Mellor wrote: »

Me too tbh. I didn't see the point in using an interim title so soon after Aldo lost it.
At least when Barao, Condit, GSP, the HWs, Conor, Jones had interim fights there were extenuation circumstances that made sense for it.

Agreed. It was all RDA's fault

And in the end, he has ended up losing by far the most. His next fight was a Thursday on Fight Pass, two losses later and he's in no mans land at LW and moving up to a class where it's hard to see him doing anything of note. He'll probably never get a better chance again.

.ak · 20-03-2017 01:25AM

willowthewisp wrote: »

Realistically who does he think he is? A UFC star fair enough, but he thinks he has the right to start telling boxing experts what's what. It's those kind of incidents that make people hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur.

Who does he think he is? A man who knows how to whip up hype, that's who.

You shouldn't take everything he says to heart.

hatrickpatrick · 20-03-2017 01:37AM

Mellor wrote: »

That's not what happened

Aldo fought Frankie Edgar for the 145 strap when Conor was off fighting Nate.

That was specifically for an interim title though. Retconning it into the actual title was moronic, even if it wasn't the utterly farcical automatic transfer from the guy who knocked Aldo out in seven seconds. An interim title should remain an interim title until the person who holds it actually defeats another fighter for the main title.

hatrickpatrick · 20-03-2017 01:40AM

Deleted User wrote: »

He fight Frankie for the belt who was the top contender in the division at that time, so he deserves it.

As above - we can debate whether or not Conor should have been allowed to rematch Diaz without first defending the FW belt, but at the time it was announced as an interim title. I'm firmly of the opinion that an interim title should remain an interim title, with a separate fight required to win the main title. It just gets messy - as it has in this case - if you allow multiple titles to exist and then simply merge when at some stage without an actual unification fight.

Mellor · 20-03-2017 02:51AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

That was specifically for an interim title though. Retconning it into the actual title was moronic, even if it wasn't the utterly farcical automatic transfer from the guy who knocked Aldo out in seven seconds. An interim title should remain an interim title until the person who holds it actually defeats another fighter for the main title.

Not trying to having ago, but the above kind of shows your lack of understanding. They didn't retcon anything.
An interim title doesn't stay an interim title indefinitely. If the champ is stripped for what ever reason, the interim champion gets promoted to full champion. That's how an interim title works.

Arlowski was promoted from Interim to full champ when Mir was hit by a car.
Barao was promoted from Interim champion to full champ when Cruz stripped after when sidelined for a prolonged period.

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'm firmly of the opinion that an interim title should remain an interim title, with a separate fight required to win the main title.

Well, that opinion is incorrect tbh.

It just gets messy - as it has in this case - if you allow multiple titles to exist and then simply merge when at some stage without an actual unification fight.

You merge titles with a unification fight. They weren't merged here, Conor was stripped of his official title.

What you are describing, allowing title to remain independant is actually much messier. That has happened in once or twice where a sanctioning body was content with promoting separate belts in a division. But it's rare even in boxing, for the most post the interim gets promoted there also.

Outlaw Pete · 20-03-2017 03:26AM

Slight FYP:

willowthewisp wrote: »

It's those kind of incidents that make people hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur.

...buy PPV in the hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur

Gamb!t · 20-03-2017 11:24PM

If Mcgregor gets KO'd at the Floyd fight,will he have another 6 months off before he can defend his title ?

Mellor · 20-03-2017 11:40PM

Gamb!t wrote: »

If Mcgregor gets KO'd at the Floyd fight,will he have another 6 months off before he can defend his title ?

If he's knocked out cold, maybe a short medical suspension (Mark Hunt and other at 209 got 6 weeks). But if it's a TKO their might not be any suspension.

It would have to be an injury like broken jaw or orbital bone for a 6 month+ suspension.

Gamb!t · 20-03-2017 11:42PM

Mellor wrote: »

If he's knocked out cold, maybe a short medical suspension (Mark Hunt and other at 209 got 6 weeks). But if it's a TKO their might not be any suspension.

It would have to be an injury like broken jaw or orbital bone for a 6 month+ suspension.

Oh right,I thought if he was KO'd stiff,he was out for 6 months.

Luap · 21-03-2017 01:06PM

He's not going to get knocked out. Mayweather uses 2 pillows as gloves!

Subcomandante Marcos · 21-03-2017 01:49PM

Luap wrote: »

He's not going to get knocked out. Mayweather uses 2 pillows as gloves!

It wouldn't matter if he used actual pillows. Nate Diaz nearly KO'd Conor twice and he doesn't hit as hard as Mayweather. Conor gets hit a lot and Floyds hand speed will be far too much for him, he'll be getting beat around the ring until he either gives up or gets dropped by accumulative damage.

eddie73 · 21-03-2017 02:04PM

The person best qualified to have an opinion on this fight spoke about it recently. Joseph Duffy has fought MMA and was a pro boxer, unbeaten in 7 fights between his leaving and return to the sport. He also fought McGregor, so the only box that he hasnt ticked is actually fighting Mayweather as well.

He gives McGregor a punchers chance but sees McGregor getting whitewashed on the scoring. Read it here.
http://www.punditarena.com/mmaufc/sraftery/183887-joseph-duffy-conor-mcgregor-mayweather/

Useful.Idiot · 21-03-2017 02:51PM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Nate Diaz nearly KO'd Conor twice

...I really can't see how either of those could be seen as near KOs; neither was near being stopped. Conor has never been KO'd so it is yet unseen how much punishment he can take before he's actually knocked unconscious. He could have a Condit-like chin we just don't know yet.

Gamebred · 21-03-2017 03:17PM

McGregor has been trouble once in his whole career by a punch, the left hand against Diaz when out on his feet and it still couldnt drop him, has taken every single punch with ease before and after that, Floyd has a full time masseuse with him because his hands are that badly broken and ruined from boxing, he wouldnt finish his dinner.

cloudatlas · 21-03-2017 06:21PM

Hurry up and fight, I don't care what Gucci gear you have on just "do something!"

Wrongway1985 · 21-03-2017 07:31PM

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

...I really can't see how either of those could be seen as near KOs; neither was near being stopped. Conor has never been KO'd so it is yet unseen how much punishment he can take before he's actually knocked unconscious. He could have a Condit-like chin we just don't know yet.

Haven't watched the 1st fight in a long while but a clean punch half way through the second round and this was so obvious at the time was the beginning of the end for Conor added to the over committing and panic wrestling.

wonderfullife · 22-03-2017 12:07AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

Nate Diaz nearly KO'd Conor twice and he doesn't hit as hard as Mayweather. Conor gets hit a lot and Floyds hand speed will be far too much for him, he'll be getting beat around the ring until he either gives up or gets dropped by accumulative damage.

The first assertion is false - Nate wobbled him in the first fight. He didn't have him in trouble once in the 2nd fight. The second one is correct to a point.

The issue with that assertion is that Conor believed he could walk through the punches at 145lbs. He didn't believe in the ability of featherweights to hurt him and, to an extent, he was right. Chad caught him flush with many shots and didn't once hurt him. At 170lbs he discovered Nate could (and did) hurt him.

Since that fight, I'd challenge the notion he gets hit a lot, especially when he is fresh. For the first 8 minutes of the Diaz 2 fight and the whole of the Alvarez fight, I can count on one hand the amount of times he got hit cleanly and they were mostly body shots. That's pretty impressive to go 15 mins+ of 2 fights against world class opponents and barely get hit. My point is his defensive responsibilities went to a new level since he was seriously wobbled in the first Diaz fight.

In boxing, Mayweather is so good he may just tag Conor relentlessly and if it's going that badly he will be pulled out of the fight in between rounds.

PhuckHugh · 22-03-2017 12:10AM

I like Conor and all that - But against a pro boxer??? This is just all about the money, end of.

Mellor · 22-03-2017 12:56AM

eddie73 wrote: »

He gives McGregor a punchers chance but sees McGregor getting whitewashed on the scoring.

Most reasonable posters here have the exact same opinion.
Disregard the zealots at either end of spectrum, and that's what's left.

PhuckHugh wrote: »

I like Conor and all that - But against a pro boxer??? This is just all about the money, end of.

Nobody really disputes that.
Won't stop everyone from watching

darced · 22-03-2017 01:40AM

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gitzy16v · 22-03-2017 01:48AM

This will be the biggest cross code combat event if it ever happened....I knew of MMA before CMcG but know way way more now because of him,I watch all sorts of MMA because of the exposure McGregor has given the sport.....I was always a boxing fan...only casual in both but I guess Im the kinda person they reaching out to...KO'd or not Mayweather has called McGregor out now so its get it on or his a chicken ****.
Ill give McG kudos for even stepping in the ring with Floyd because his hopelessly outclassed.

wonderfullife · 22-03-2017 02:56PM

darced wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

I stand by it :pac: Commentary on fight very misleading.

I'm not sure the weight difference is going to be the 25-30lbs people are saying though. Floyd will want the contest at 147lbs but the best evidence we have for Conor's walking weight is the result of his DEXA Scan which was taken 5-6 weeks before the Eddie fight and he was 77kg with 7% body fat.

So he was walking at 169lbs. The consensus from boxing experts is Floyd walks between 152-154lbs. So it'd be about a 15lb advantage. Some were trying to make out Conor had a few stone in hand after rehydrating but I'm not so sure.

Anyway that only becomes a factor if Conor can actually hit him or wear him down in the clinch (where Floyd is a master of dirty tricks).

eddie73 · 22-03-2017 03:51PM

It is the very same as a high jumper claiming that he or she can beat the best ever long jumper in the world at the long jump. It will be interesting to see if they stick to the long jump during the competition.

Sweet Science · 22-03-2017 04:15PM

There is no way this fight should be sanctioned.

He doesnt even have a jab it would be like a horror movie to watch unless Mayweather decided to finish it very early. Anyone who is saying otherwise is deluded . There is no way on Earth this fight could go the distance.

Please god Mayweather stays retired . And please god McGregor doesn't become blinded by the money, continues to dominate MMA and give this country a lift.

hewhoscares · 22-03-2017 05:22PM

See Kavanagh having a rant at a journalist tweets on FB.
Anyone else think JK is a massive pseud? Even here he's way to verbose, he could easily make the same point in 4 sentences but he feels the need to go on. He likes to think of himself as some great intellectual and just comes across as patronising and nowhere near as clever as he thinks.
https://t.co/H2Pziz7PXT

Call Me Jimmy · 22-03-2017 06:02PM

Don't find anything objectionable about that, I was expecting a more pseudo intellectual rant. He used the word philosophical i suppose...

Gamebred · 22-03-2017 08:33PM

If you took away McGregor what does his cv look like? top 15 Gunni (who got his black belt under renzo) goes on likes hes Greg Jackson.

John_D80 · 22-03-2017 10:49PM

Gamebred wrote: »

If you took away McGregor what does his cv look like? top 15 Gunni (who got his black belt under renzo) goes on likes hes Greg Jackson.

Dont you train in SBG Gamebred? Or am i thinking of someone else?

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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