Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

EagererBeaver · 18-03-2017 09:46AM

Ah, i wouldn't read anything into that about grudges. In his column, Rafael said it was clear McGregor didn't notice him. All looked pretty good natured.

willowthewisp · 18-03-2017 09:53AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQeISn7ttek

Conor made a beeline for ESPN Lead Boxing guy Dan Rafael, probably because Dan came out saying Conor has 'less than zero' chance against Floyd.

It started off in good spirits.... not sure about the rest.

Realistically who does he think he is? A UFC star fair enough, but he thinks he has the right to start telling boxing experts what's what. It's those kind of incidents that make people hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur.

Wheeliebin30 · 18-03-2017 11:00AM

willowthewisp wrote: »

Realistically who does he think he is? A UFC star fair enough, but he thinks he has the right to start telling boxing experts what's what. It's those kind of incidents that make people hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur.

And he's ringside shouting instructions at Michael???

I think Michael knows a bit more about boxing at this stage.

sonofenoch · 18-03-2017 11:48AM

willowthewisp wrote: »

Realistically who does he think he is? A UFC star fair enough, but he thinks he has the right to start telling boxing experts what's what. It's those kind of incidents that make people hope he gets in the ring with Mayweather and gets shown up as an amateur.

And he cares?

those people want to see him get shown up no matter who he's up against (and there are as many of them on here)

wonderfullife · 18-03-2017 01:39PM

Wheeliebin30 wrote: »

And he's ringside shouting instructions at Michael???

I think Michael knows a bit more about boxing at this stage.

I actually thought that was nice to see! For those who didn't get to see it, Conor was clearly audible on the main broadcast in Round 1 saying the following:

"Stick to the jab Michael this first round, just the jab!". (1:46 below video. Was very clear on the BoxNation broadcast)

His advice before the fight, also on camera, was:

"Don't go chasing it. Let it come to you. Take your time. This is your night."

It's not about Conor knowing more about boxing than Mick or Matthew Macklin or the rest of Mick's corner. It was about sharing his advice as someone who has experienced the big occasion many times. One of the mistakes Conor owned up to, in both the Mendes and Diaz 1 fights, was he went chasing it.

I thought his advice pre-fight and during the fight was very calm, measured and helpful. He was throwing every punch ringside. Also cool to see Sergey Kovalev waiting patiently for a selfie :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJox9cfoNX0

wonderfullife · 18-03-2017 01:57PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Geoubqr254c

Quote from Conor: We are getting very close to inking the fight. (Says no to June).

ricero · 18-03-2017 03:07PM

If not june then it prob wont be until august or september. If thats the case he can **** off holding the title and dana should strip him of it

18-03-2017 03:15PM

ricero wrote: »

If not june then it prob wont be until august or september. If thats the case he can **** off holding the title and dana should strip him of it

I 100% agree, he can't keep winning titles and then holding **** up. You still have people saying Aldo is the interim champ

If Conor isn't fighting until lets say September that would mean he might not defend his belt until 2018 :eek:

wonderfullife · 18-03-2017 07:30PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I 100% agree, he can't keep winning titles and then holding **** up. You still have people saying Aldo is the interim champ If Conor isn't fighting until lets say September that would mean he might not defend his belt until 2018 :eek:

Just implement the boxing rule:

One mandatory defence must be undertaken in the 12 months after winning the belt, unless 1) injured 2) permission by sanctioning body given to fight outside weight class. So, unless Conor fights Floyd OR Tyron Woodley before Nov. 11 then strip him.

Simple and clear cut. The reason boxing has that provision is to allow for the likes of Tony Bellew v David Haye, without stripping their champion.

Stripping Conor now would be criminal from a fairness and promotional perspective - he only won it 4 months ago and they'd be mad to take his belt away and trust Khabib to show up for a title fight against Tony.

BOHtox · 18-03-2017 07:33PM

ricero wrote: »

If not june then it prob wont be until august or september. If thats the case he can **** off holding the title and dana should strip him of it

Ah would you stop. He won it 4 months ago and he could easily defend it late 2017, roughly a year after winning it. There's not even a clear contender at 55.

Ferguson has to fight Khabib first. Then there's a clear contender.

callaway92 · 18-03-2017 09:12PM

BOHtox wrote: »

Ah would you stop. He won it 4 months ago and he could easily defend it late 2017, roughly a year after winning it. There's not even a clear contender at 55.

Ferguson has to fight Khabib first. Then there's a clear contender.

I have no words. . . . Have you been watching UFC over the last year. No such thing as a need for a 'clear contender'

sonofenoch · 19-03-2017 01:10AM

Aldo has not yet defended the belt he was handed in practically the same amount of time .....what's he got lined up? is he holding up the division where's the calls for him to be stripped

Gamebred · 19-03-2017 01:11AM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Aldo has not yet defended the belt he was handed in practically the same amount of time .....what's he got lined up? is he holding up the division where's the calls for him to be stripped

Actually came out claiming he wants to box pro too, will pull out of the Holloway bout now any day.

Subcomandante Marcos · 19-03-2017 01:31AM

sonofenoch wrote: »

Aldo has not yet defended the belt he was handed in practically the same amount of time .....what's he got lined up? is he holding up the division where's the calls for him to be stripped

You're forgetting that Aldo beat the living Jesus out of the only other contender and has been available to fight since.

19-03-2017 01:49AM

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You're forgetting that Aldo beat the living Jesus out of the only other contender and has been available to fight since.

Exactly wasn't Aldo ready to fight but Holloway said:
"I am bringing my daughter to disney land" then after that it was:
"I am filming a movie"
Then after that an injury?

Aldo has been ready to fight for a while, Aldo does get injured a lot but he has defended his belt a lot more than Canor has

Tigger · 19-03-2017 02:04AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

Just implement the boxing rule:

One mandatory defence must be undertaken in the 12 months after winning the belt, unless 1) injured 2) permission by sanctioning body given to fight outside weight class. So, unless Conor fights Floyd OR Tyron Woodley before Nov. 11 then strip him.

Simple and clear cut. The reason boxing has that provision is to allow for the likes of Tony Bellew v David Haye, without stripping their champion.

Stripping Conor now would be criminal from a fairness and promotional perspective - he only won it 4 months ago and they'd be mad to take his belt away and trust Khabib to show up for a title fight against Tony.

that would mean he'd still have both his belts right?

wonderfullife · 19-03-2017 11:16AM

Tigger wrote: »

that would mean he'd still have both his belts right?

Under boxing's mandatory defence rule, Conor would have been stripped of the FW belt as soon as he beat Eddie, as you're not allowed to hold belts in multiple weight classes simultaneously.

You used to be able to do so - Henry Armstrong simultaneously held the FW, LW and WW boxing world titles in the late 1930's but there was a post-war change in the rules.

Conor would be allowed to fight Floyd without being stripped of his LW belt for failing to defend it within 12 months; it doesn't make sense to strip a champion if they are fighting with the permission of the sanctioning body outside their weight class/outside their sport.

Another reason the rule would be beneficial is in the event of a challenger missing weight. So, for example, if Rumble weighs in at 208lbs and it becomes a non-title fight, the rule would be set in stone that DC would not be stripped of his title for a failure to defend it within 12 months.

It would basically just give fighters more clarity when it comes to taking time off and legal protection if the UFC unfairly decided to strip a champion. Conor is a unique case but for the rest of the fighters being a champion is vital in terms of the level of their pay, PPV points, length of contract etc so it would make sense to push for that rule to be in every fighter contract.

Killergreene · 19-03-2017 06:14PM

Mod Snip..

Go troll elsewhere..and frankly dont rush back to the forum. You do very little here but troll and cause hassle.

hewhoscares · 19-03-2017 09:27PM

Bit worrying this fight is gonna happen as its a bit of a mockery - another chance to showcase boxing and its gonna be a bit **** to watch. I don't wanna pay for the PPV of someone at area level fighting the best boxer of his generation - will be cross atlantic PPV too, June was a pipedream with all the broadcasters that are gonna want in on this. As well as the logistics of getting all the high rollers in there with relative notice.
Though saying that about PPV, the best part of the fight will be the build up and the media tours and all that will be free (Glad to hear that the PPV interview bull**** was a relative failure too, numbers wise)
Looks like Conor is taking the short money too if Floyds accepted. But its smart business really, looking at his side of the pot compared to previous fights rather than one the guy across from him will make (Take note Kel Brook when it comes to Khan)

hatrickpatrick · 19-03-2017 09:43PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I 100% agree, he can't keep winning titles and then holding **** up. You still have people saying Aldo is the interim champ

In fairness I absolutely agree that titles should be stripped if not defended within X amount of time (or with a few small exceptions as others have said) but making Aldo the automatic titleholder was absolutely ridiculous. The belt should have been declared open after Conor was stripped and Aldo to fight for it.

Does anyone honestly think that the belt going directly from Conor to Aldo without a fight, after Conor knocked him out in seven seconds, made any sense at all?

Mellor · 19-03-2017 10:53PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In fairness I absolutely agree that titles should be stripped if not defended within X amount of time (or with a few small exceptions as others have said) but making Aldo the automatic titleholder was absolutely ridiculous. The belt should have been declared open after Conor was stripped and Aldo to fight for it.

Does anyone honestly think that the belt going directly from Conor to Aldo without a fight, after Conor knocked him out in seven seconds, made any sense at all?

That's not what happened

Aldo fought Frankie Edgar for the 145 strap when Conor was off fighting Nate.

wonderfullife · 19-03-2017 11:05PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

The belt should have been declared open after Conor was stripped and Aldo to fight for it.

I agree with you in theory that it should have been Aldo v Holloway for the vacant title but they made a rod for their own back when they created the Interim Title for UFC 200.

Stripping the Interim Strap to have a real title fight would have meant the UFC were left with a vacant title for 7 or 8 months - longer if Jose gets injured.

This way is a farce, in itself, because nobody believes Aldo is legitimately the best 145lb fighter after Conor starched him and the talk of it being a fluke has died down since Conor destroyed Eddie.

It'll sort itself out, the likes of Holloway, Arnold Allen and Rodriguez will rise to the top of the division and Conor will be forgotten about in terms of FW.

Django99 · 19-03-2017 11:22PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I agree with you in theory that it should have been Aldo v Holloway for the vacant title but they made a rod for their own back when they created the Interim Title for UFC 200.

Stripping the Interim Strap to have a real title fight would have meant the UFC were left with a vacant title for 7 or 8 months - longer if Jose gets injured.

This way is a farce, in itself, because nobody believes Aldo is legitimately the best 145lb fighter after Conor starched him and the talk of it being a fluke has died down since Conor destroyed Eddie.

It'll sort itself out, the likes of Holloway, Arnold Allen and Rodriguez will rise to the top of the division and Conor will be forgotten about in terms of FW.

As much as that would put doubt out of minds as to who the best FW is, I don't think it happens. I think Aldo will beat Holloway and I think Edgar will beat Rodriguez. The whole division is stuck then because we'll still have Aldo looking for a McGregor rematch, and we'll still have people saying McGregor is the true champ.

If Holloway and Rodriguez win then at least it would make for a novel pairing for a title, something we don't see a lot of these days.

HW and LHW have rematches booked. WW was just a rematch. FW Aldo and Edgar still look the best. BW Cruz will probably get a title shot if he wins his next fight. FLW next title after this one will probably be a rematch. LW belt not gonna be contended for the foreseeable future and MW doesn't look like a number one contender will get a fight any time soon.

There's no title fights coming up that would excite at all really, in terms of new match ups anyway.

dashoonage · 19-03-2017 11:29PM

You are clearly forgetting women's FW...

Django99 · 19-03-2017 11:37PM

dashoonage wrote: »

You are clearly forgetting women's FW...

I don't have a whole lot of interest in WMMA, but looking at that FW and BW will be rematches, Karolina probably isn't far away from a rematch if JJ keeps the belt. Exciting!

Gamebred · 19-03-2017 11:41PM

Aldo is getting absolutely starched by Holloway, worry for his mental health after this beating incoming.

Mellor · 19-03-2017 11:42PM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I agree with you in theory that it should have been Aldo v Holloway for the vacant title but they made a rod for their own back when they created the Interim Title for UFC 200.

Stripping the Interim Strap to have a real title fight would have meant the UFC were left with a vacant title for 7 or 8 months - longer if Jose gets injured.

This way is a farce, in itself, because nobody believes Aldo is legitimately the best 145lb fighter after Conor starched him and the talk of it being a fluke has died down since Conor destroyed Eddie.

The 145lb title was never vacant though.
Once they made Aldo v Frankie for the interim belt. The winners promotion to full champ is routine.
Lingering doubts over Aldo's claim as the champion are external. Even if they are completely warranted, they aren't grounds to strip him.

Maybe the UFC knew what was coming and actively went that route, or maybe they got caught with their pants down thinking in April/May the Conor would fight at 145 in 2016. Who knows

wonderfullife · 19-03-2017 11:52PM

Mellor wrote: »

The 145lb title was never vacant though.
Once they made Aldo v Frankie for the interim belt. The winners promotion to full champ is routine.
Lingering doubts over Aldo's claim as the champion are external. Even if they are completely warranted, they aren't grounds to strip him.

Maybe the UFC knew what was coming and actively went that route, or maybe they got caught with their pants down thinking in April/May the Conor would fight at 145 in 2016. Who knows

I know, I was saying for there to be a fight for "a vacant title" it'd involve stripping Conor and stripping Aldo of the Interim. It would have made no sense.

But I'd have been fine with Aldo v Frankie at UFC 200 not being for a title and then just stripping Conor to set up a title fight for a vacant title.

20-03-2017 12:04AM

BOHtox wrote: »

Ah would you stop. He won it 4 months ago and he could easily defend it late 2017, roughly a year after winning it. There's not even a clear contender at 55.

Ferguson has to fight Khabib first. Then there's a clear contender.

There is plenty of contenders at 155, if this was anyone besides Conor acting ilke this and avoiding defending then people would go nuts. I know some other fighters due to injures or whatever haven't defended but that is different, Conor now as a champion has fought diaz twice and fought in a higher weight class when not defending his featherweight belt and now he is fighting mayweather in boxing when lightweight champion :pac: its a bit much

20-03-2017 12:06AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In fairness I absolutely agree that titles should be stripped if not defended within X amount of time (or with a few small exceptions as others have said) but making Aldo the automatic titleholder was absolutely ridiculous. The belt should have been declared open after Conor was stripped and Aldo to fight for it.

Does anyone honestly think that the belt going directly from Conor to Aldo without a fight, after Conor knocked him out in seven seconds, made any sense at all?

He fight Frankie for the belt who was the top contender in the division at that time, so he deserves it.

Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

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