New England Patriots Thread Mod Warning Post #253

Hazys · 13-03-2017 03:45PM

phatkev wrote: »

I really don't get why they'd give Gilmore the sort of contract he got and then nickel and dime one of your best defensive players

TBF the market says he's not worth more than $10/11m a year so no point going over that. If the market was saying higher, he would have been gone by now.

Not overpaying and not falling into the trap of just giving a player what he wants as opposed to nickel and dime'ing is why the Pats are competitive every year.

Reports now are saying he's visiting the Steelers which is intriguing as they barely have any cap space but obviously a solid team.

TOss Sweep · 13-03-2017 03:48PM

phatkev wrote: »

I really don't get why they'd give Gilmore the sort of contract he got and then nickel and dime one of your best defensive players

I do think we should tie up both Butler and Hightower but to be fair to the Pats both Butler and Hightower are struggling to get what they want elsewhere also. The market as Hazy says is against them. The Patriots have built their success on "nickel and diming" so why throw money at players just because they asked for it.

No one wants to trade for Butler because of the Tender and no one wants to give Hightower what he thinks he deserves. So the ball sadly is the in the Patriots court on both of them. Its not about being petty its business.

JaMarcusHustle · 14-03-2017 04:20PM

Looks like Butler is off. He's visiting NO on Thursday according to Sean Payton.

This means one of 2 things.

(1) They're prepared to submit an offer sheet and give up the 11th pick of the draft. Which is very unlikely.

Or, more feasibly...

(2) There was a gentleman's agreement as part of the Cooks trade that we'd get a contract sorted with Butler, and the trade him to the Saints for the 32nd overall pick back again (and maybe some lower picks being moved over). That would basically mean it was a Butler for Cooks trade, with some lower picks moved around as part of it.

JaMarcusHustle · 14-03-2017 04:21PM

Hightower is also currently in Pittsburgh discussing a deal. Hopefully it's not what he's looking for.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 14-03-2017 06:31PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Looks like Butler is off. He's visiting NO on Thursday according to Sean Payton.

This means one of 2 things.

(1) They're prepared to submit an offer sheet and give up the 11th pick of the draft. Which is very unlikely.

Or, more feasibly...

(2) There was a gentleman's agreement as part of the Cooks trade that we'd get a contract sorted with Butler, and the trade him to the Saints for the 32nd overall pick back again (and maybe some lower picks being moved over). That would basically mean it was a Butler for Cooks trade, with some lower picks moved around as part of it.

Or the Saints make an offer that isn't as high as Butler would like, and the Pats match it.
I just don't want to lose Butler. For me, he is a known commodity that is worth paying to keep.

TOss Sweep · 14-03-2017 09:42PM

Rex Burkhead signed today.

TOss Sweep · 14-03-2017 09:53PM

Hightower left Pittsburgh without a deal

Edit: Seems like the Steelers told Hightower to decide or deal is off the table. Good thing for them no flights back to Boston until tomorrow.

The Steelers do not want to be used by Dont’a Hightower.

According to NFL Media’s Aditi Kinkabwala, the Steelers have told Hightower their offer is gone if he gets on the plane to leave town. He’s reportedly left their facility after a visit on Tuesday.

The Steelers likely know Hightower was going to take their offer to the Patriots so they could see what he was getting and then the team would base their offer off that.

The linebacker reportedly is seeking $10-13 million per season.

It was also reported Monday that many teams around the league believe Hightower will eventually re-sign with the Patriots.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 14-03-2017 10:56PM

Is Hightower over-rated by us? I only say that cause I really thought he'd be snapped up in free agency. Is it the health concerns (he did either seem to miss a number of games or play injured)?

phatkev · 14-03-2017 11:02PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

Is Hightower over-rated by us? I only say that cause I really thought he'd be snapped up in free agency. Is it the health concerns (he did either seem to miss a number of games or play injured)?

According to the Jets beat today they gave him a significant offer, but he wanted to bring it back to New England to see if they could match it. But as I said that came from the Jets beat, so theres a good chance its complete bo11ocks

TOss Sweep · 14-03-2017 11:14PM

I get the feeling seen as the same type of report came out of Pittsburgh that he is using these teams to try stay in New England and get them to pay him more. If he wanted to go and got better offers elsewhere why not go?

I think he over rates himself to be honest. The market is not there for what he wants.

Utopia Parkway · 15-03-2017 02:23AM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

Rex Burkhead signed today.

Apparently he was pretty good for the Bengals towards the end of last season.

Hazys · 15-03-2017 11:51AM

He's shown promise as a RB but he's been largely a special teams player...he could be a direct replacement for Brandon Bolden...it'll be interesting to see how much we paid him

paulie21 · 15-03-2017 12:21PM

Hightower expected to make a decision today

letowski · 15-03-2017 05:36PM

paulie21 wrote: »

Hightower expected to make a decision today

Saw this on my twitter.

https://twitter.com/nfltrade_rumors/status/842065996978499589/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

JaMarcusHustle · 15-03-2017 05:51PM

4 years, $43.5M, $19M guaranteed.

Welcome home Boom

Hazys · 15-03-2017 05:53PM

Such good value, glad to have him back

Hazys · 15-03-2017 06:01PM

The Patriots knew the market so well. They refused to franchise him which would have set his value at $15m and a lot of people thought they were being mad and/or stingy. Yes, he only really plays on 2 downs and has injury concerns but getting a defensive leader and playmaker who is only entering his prime for $11m a year when he hit true free agency is great value.

If we keep Butler and resign Blount, this off-season would be perfect, not only did we not lose any significant players but we grew way stronger which is scary.

TOss Sweep · 15-03-2017 06:11PM

Butler will get a deal and Blount will stay and Jimmy will be traded to the Browns for a ton of picks

j8wk2feszrnpao · 15-03-2017 07:14PM

Hazys wrote: »

The Patriots knew the market so well. They refused to franchise him which would have set his value at $15m and a lot of people thought they were being mad and/or stingy. Yes, he only really plays on 2 downs and has injury concerns but getting a defensive leader and playmaker who is only entering his prime for $11m a year when he hit true free agency is great value.

If we keep Butler and resign Blount, this off-season would be perfect, not only did we not lose any significant players but we grew way stronger which is scary.

That's serious value, particularly on the guaranteed money.

Keeping Butler would be huge. Really creates an expected strong secondary.

Blount, I'm not bothered about. If we keep him, ok. If he goes, ok.

I do think we needed to get stronger (going back to my point about a tougher schedule this year) to give ourselves another good shot at the SB.

Hazys · 15-03-2017 11:17PM

Hazys wrote: »

Last off-season was a breeze as we basically had nobody hitting free agency so we kept the same team that went to the AFC Championship and we just added a couple of low cost veterans like Hogan, Bennett and Long, it was a perfect scenario. The biggest name we lost last season was Akiem Hicks, a player we picked up mid-season who was a decent contributor.

This off-season is going to be tough. We have a ton of players hitting free agency and no way we keep even half of them. I'm still team "In Bill We Trust" so i see the off season going like this: we lose half of our free agents, replacing them with 2nd and 3rd day free agents and then Bill will trade out of the 1st round, gather a ton of picks and fill the roster with a lot of Rutgers players. Its not going to be fun to watch but it generally works out in the end so we'll be one of the best teams in the league again next year and for years to come.

I'm delighted to be shocked by BB's off season antics and proven wrong.

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Burkhead >>> Boldin
Ealy & Guy >>> Long & Sheard
Cooks >>> losing nobody basically icing on the cake
Allen < worse than Bennett but cheaper and younger
Gilmore = Butler

CB2 is up in the air at the moment. If we manage to keep Butler then:
Gilmore & Butler >>> Butler & Ryan

The last domino is Blount. We have no big back at the moment so I hope we resign him. Somehow Eddie Lacy managed to get $5m/1yr deal which Blount is definitely better than Lacy but i can't see BB matching that. Blount has had no visits so far this off-season so again that is encouraging, they longer that goes on the more likely he'll take a hometown discount to stay.

TOss Sweep · 16-03-2017 06:51PM

Conflicting reports on Butler:

https://twitter.com/diannaESPN/status/842432747067039744

https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/842429803257036800

Also reading a few other sources potential deal with Saints is a low one meaning if true Butler made his mind up to get out of New England.

BaronVon · 17-03-2017 02:05PM

I'd say Butler will stay. It doesn't make sense for the Saints to trade a number 11 pick for a 27 year old CB. They're not in a Win Now situation. Much better off drafting a younger, cheaper CB with the 11 pick.

Maybe they're just grooming him for next season!

JaMarcusHustle · 17-03-2017 02:24PM

infacteh wrote:

I'd say Butler will stay. It doesn't make sense for the Saints to trade a number 11 pick for a 27 year old CB. They're not in a Win Now situation. Much better off drafting a younger, cheaper CB with the 11 pick.

I don't think the 11 pick has ever been in play.

They'll likely send back the 32 pick so that it was a Cooks for Butler trade all along. I imagine there was an agreement in place, the Pats and Saints have a very good working relationship.

TOss Sweep · 18-03-2017 05:48PM

This whole Butler saga is stretching on far too long. Butler and his Agent and the Patriots need to find a deal that works for both. I can't believe that we can't get a deal done with him. The Patriots are better with him than without him especially with Gilmore there now. How is it not in our best interests to get a deal done. The more I think about it we can't even use the Patriot Way to defend the decision because we just went out and threw money at Gilmore to join more than what Butler wants. We have already made that aggressive move. Patriots and Butler Camp get a deal done and lets get Bowl 6 and do what you want after that. So frustrating.

j8wk2feszrnpao · 18-03-2017 07:06PM

TOss Sweep wrote: »

This whole Butler saga is stretching on far too long. Butler and his Agent and the Patriots need to find a deal that works for both.

And isn't there still plenty of cap space to sign him (even before the Amendola contract is looked at)?

TOss Sweep · 18-03-2017 07:13PM

munstermagic11 wrote: »

And isn't there still plenty of cap space to sign him (even before the Amendola contract is looked at)?

More than enough Just shy of 20m

JaMarcusHustle · 18-03-2017 07:30PM

TOss Sweep wrote:

More than enough Just shy of 20m

Read today that we actually still have 26 million, and that's including the 3.9m figure on Butler's tender.

TOss Sweep · 18-03-2017 07:36PM

JaMarcusHustle wrote: »

Read today that we actually still have 26 million, and that's including the 3.9m figure on Butler's tender.

Even better

Hazys · 19-03-2017 05:02PM

Talk of Revis resigning with us. He's getting paid $6m by the Jets this season regardless of what happens contract wise.

Imagine he comes back to the Pats after the Jets paid him that massive contract, wins another Super Bowl with your arch rivals and you paid his salary too...the Jets would have to just quit the NFL and join the CFL or something

j8wk2feszrnpao · 19-03-2017 05:32PM

Hazys wrote: »

Talk of Revis resigning with us.

He was bloody awful last year. It'd need to be a low salary, incentive driven contract, for us to look at him.

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