National Hurling League 2017 Discussion

Hammer Archer · 13-03-2017 11:04PM

Wicklow are through to the final already . If Meath win their rescheduled match with Roscommon on Thursday, they'll join them in the final. Both teams will still have to play each other in the last group game.
Winner of the final will be promoted.

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-03-2017 11:09PM

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Kerrydude1981 · 13-03-2017 11:20PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Ya,we played Carlow twice the time we won 2A,beat them in Tralee and a few weeks later beat them in the final in Thurles

OldMrBrennan83 · 13-03-2017 11:26PM

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arctictree · 14-03-2017 12:21AM

Patww79 wrote: »

Cheers. Two days out then. Two losses but still two days out :P

In current form, Wicklow are the only 2B team that could put it up to Meath. Winning one of these games is possible.

Stevecw · 14-03-2017 12:37AM

Good that the finals in 2A & 2B are now proper promotion games.
Other years there was always a stupid play off for the Div 2A winner a week after winning a tough final against a rested 1B side.
The 2A team often would have injuries/suspensions built up after playing maybe 3 weeks in a row. The 1B side always had a least a week off, as if they needed another advantage after playing a higher pace game v quality level opposition all season.

Kerry somehow overcame it 2 years ago & delighted for them. Antrim/Carlow deserve to be in 1B next year, same as Wicklow/Meath to be in 2A.

arctictree · 14-03-2017 08:35AM

Stevecw wrote: »

Good that the finals in 2A & 2B are now proper promotion games.
Other years there was always a stupid play off for the Div 2A winner a week after winning a tough final against a rested 1B side.
The 2A team often would have injuries/suspensions built up after playing maybe 3 weeks in a row. The 1B side always had a least a week off, as if they needed another advantage after playing a higher pace game v quality level opposition all season.

Kerry somehow overcame it 2 years ago & delighted for them. Antrim/Carlow deserve to be in 1B next year, same as Wicklow/Meath to be in 2A.

I think the winners of the 2A final still have to play the losers of the 1B relegation tie.

OldMrBrennan83 · 14-03-2017 08:38AM

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Kerrydude1981 · 14-03-2017 01:03PM

arctictree wrote: »

I think the winners of the 2A final still have to play the losers of the 1B relegation tie.

They have got rid of that game between the 2A winners and the relegation play off losers,I think they have anyway

Hammer Archer · 14-03-2017 02:07PM

Patww79 wrote: »

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We always seem to screw promotion from 2B up. Both ourselves and Mayo have been in 2B since its inception.
Assuming we beat Roscommon on Thursday, we'll be in our 4th final in 6 years.

Hammer Archer · 15-03-2017 11:16AM

Looking at the table of 2B again, I think it's actually 100% guaranteed to be a Wicklow v Meath final regardless of whether Meath beat Roscommon.
Wicklow are obviously through. Down and Derry are 2 points behind Meath but they play each other in the last game meaning only one team can reach 6 points. As Meath have beaten both teams already, they will be above them on head-to-head even if Meath lose their last two games.

Can never understand the reasoning behind the final taking place at a neutral venue. The team that tops the division should be given home advantage. There is hardly any benefit in either Meath or Wicklow playing their first team in the final game as regardless of who wins, the final will be played in a neutral venue (probably Parnell Park or Newbridge).

arctictree · 15-03-2017 12:47PM

Kerrydude1981 wrote: »

They have got rid of that game between the 2A winners and the relegation play off losers,I think they have anyway

According to wikipedia, its still there:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_National_Hurling_League#Division_1B.2F2A_Relegation.2FPromotion_Playoff

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-03-2017 01:21PM

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feargale · 15-03-2017 01:35PM

Why is Roscommon v. Meath at Ashbourne? Wasn't this supposed to be a home game for Roscommon? Just curious.

Bonniedog · 15-03-2017 01:35PM

That 1B table really jumps out at you when you see Offaly with no points at the bottom. They still have a chance to stay up as Wexford will almost certainly give Laois a bit of a trimming. Offaly v Kerry will be some game. Hopefully it is one of the games TG4 show that day.

Django99 · 15-03-2017 01:40PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

That 1B table really jumps out at you when you see Offaly with no points at the bottom. They still have a chance to stay up as Wexford will almost certainly give Laois a bit of a trimming. Offaly v Kerry will be some game. Hopefully it is one of the games TG4 show that day.

Relegation will come down to scoring difference if Laois lose and Offaly win, Offaly currently have the best score difference so a win for them keepers them safe. Kerry have next best so even a narrow defeat should keep them up.

But Wexford are already promoted, and Laois have ran them close before. Davy might rest players or give some panel players a run, so Laois really need to target a win.

Bonniedog · 15-03-2017 01:45PM

Not sure Davy Fitz does resting! Perhaps. Laois were good against Offaly in fairness so might put up a bit of a show.

Kerry/Offaly is a must win game for both, so should be a real cracker. Kerry beat them by a point in Birr last year so most likely be fancied to win in Tralee. No harm to Offaly, but be nice to see the Kingdom in a quarter final.

dastardly00 · 15-03-2017 01:47PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

That 1B table really jumps out at you when you see Offaly with no points at the bottom. They still have a chance to stay up as Wexford will almost certainly give Laois a bit of a trimming. Offaly v Kerry will be some game. Hopefully it is one of the games TG4 show that day.

EDIT: Django99 has already said what I say below:
By my reckoning, if Offaly beat Kerry and as expected Wexford beat Laois, then Offaly should finish in 4th place as they will have a better +/- points differential than both Kerry and Laois.

dastardly00 · 15-03-2017 01:48PM

Based on the fixture list on GAA.ie, there is a relegation play-off to be played for 1B. Is that correct?

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-03-2017 01:53PM

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Bonniedog · 15-03-2017 01:54PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Based on the fixture list on GAA.ie, there is a relegation play-off to be played for 1B. Is that correct?

Not sure. You would imagine that in the midst of all their navel gazing over football that they'd have made it crystal clear what the structures are for hurling relegation. Obviously teams themselves know - you would hope! - but there is a lot of confusion among supporters regarding both 1A and 1B relegations.

Django99 · 15-03-2017 02:01PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

Not sure. You would imagine that in the midst of all their navel gazing over football that they'd have made it crystal clear what the structures are for hurling relegation. Obviously teams themselves know - you would hope! - but there is a lot of confusion among supporters regarding both 1A and 1B relegations.

Is it a relegation play off between the bottom two teams in 1B, or is a between the bottom 1B team and the winner of 2A? As you say it's amazing that this isnt crystal clear. I would be surprised if the competing teams weren't 100% sure.

Bonniedog · 15-03-2017 02:12PM

If dastardly's link is correct then there is a play off between bottom two in 1B but not sure if there is one between loser of that and winner of 2A. Probably is as nothing else seems to have been changed. But you never know! Usually some bizarre surprise down the line!

There should not be of course. Hard enough to win promotion without having to play a team from the higher division to seal it. Totally against the spirit of any league or notion of fair play.

arctictree · 15-03-2017 04:04PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

There should not be of course. Hard enough to win promotion without having to play a team from the higher division to seal it. Totally against the spirit of any league or notion of fair play.

The other argument is that if you can't even beat the worst team in a division, then you don't deserve to be in it!

paul0103 · 15-03-2017 04:50PM

Bonniedog wrote: »

If dastardly's link is correct then there is a play off between bottom two in 1B but not sure if there is one between loser of that and winner of 2A. Probably is as nothing else seems to have been changed. But you never know! Usually some bizarre surprise down the line!

There should not be of course. Hard enough to win promotion without having to play a team from the higher division to seal it. Totally against the spirit of any league or notion of fair play.

Pretty sure the promotion/relegation games between two divisions are gone. I think the winner of 2A/2B etc just go straight up to the higher division next year.

Hammer Archer · 15-03-2017 05:34PM

feargale wrote: »

Why is Roscommon v. Meath at Ashbourne? Wasn't this supposed to be a home game for Roscommon? Just curious.

It was originally meant to be in Athleague. I'm not entirely sure why it's in Ashbourne but I read on the Meath thread that Roscommon requested that it be in Meath. Not sure how true that is.

Patww79 wrote: »

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Yeah that's it. Donaghmore/Ashbourne's ground.

feargale · 15-03-2017 05:41PM

arctictree wrote: »

The other argument is that if you can't even beat the worst team in a division, then you don't deserve to be in it!

Why not apply the same principle to the higher divisions, then?

OldMrBrennan83 · 15-03-2017 05:44PM

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PTH2009 · 16-03-2017 02:41AM

If Cork and Dublin can perform for 70 mins they are going to be troublesome, they have some good players

There so many teams that can beat each other on any given day ,the glory days of hurling could be returning

Kerrydude1981 · 23-03-2017 10:41AM

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http://www.gaa.ie/hurling/news/allianz-hurling-league-permutations/

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