Protein bread

Brian? · 08-03-2017 08:30PM

Zillah wrote: »

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

Having a few chicken breasts is probably down the list of unsustainable choices people make every day.

Really you carnivores should just eat crickets and other insects. Best protein to ecological damage ratio available.

Chickens are also far better than cattle. Cut out the steak if you want to lower your carbon footprint.

Omnivores horse. We needs something to provide a crunch with the steak.

I'd happily eat insects, but they're tough to get enough of.

Alf Veedersane · 08-03-2017 08:41PM

There are no insects in the jung....

Oh.

Mellor · 10-03-2017 02:25AM

Zillah wrote: »

Really you carnivores should just eat crickets and other insects. Best protein to ecological damage ratio available.

Chickens are also far better than cattle. Cut out the steak if you want to lower your carbon footprint.

But what about the energy to life ratio.

The chicken might be 6 portions. A beef cow might provide around 1500 portions. If you much kill to eat, then beef is more death friendly.

Although, both of those are pittance compared to the deaths caused by eating vegetables. A portion of broccoli was probably home to douzen of insects. And the poor worms chopped up by machines in fields.

Veg is murder.

RobertKK · 10-03-2017 02:10PM

We also share DNA with plant life.
So being omnivorous is no big deal, once the animal or bird life is killed humanely.
Humans generally are much kinder than the carnivores on the savannahs...

Zillah · 11-03-2017 08:09PM

Mellor wrote: »

But what about the energy to life ratio.

The chicken might be 6 portions. A beef cow might provide around 1500 portions. If you much kill to eat, then beef is more death friendly.

Although, both of those are pittance compared to the deaths caused by eating vegetables. A portion of broccoli was probably home to douzen of insects. And the poor worms chopped up by machines in fields.

Veg is murder.

Right, got it. I only eat blue whales now.

Mellor · 13-03-2017 01:34AM

Zillah wrote: »

Right, got it. I only eat blue whales now.

Eating slime is the one true way.

Naos · 13-03-2017 08:51AM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

The Dr Zaks bread is 26g protein per 100g so about 30g for two slices.

It's also a fiver for an 850g loaf...

So cheaper than chicken then? Do you buy it online or know of any shops that sel it?

22-03-2017 09:02PM

Mellor wrote: »

But what about the energy to life ratio.

The chicken might be 6 portions. A beef cow might provide around 1500 portions. If you much kill to eat, then beef is more death friendly.

Although, both of those are pittance compared to the deaths caused by eating vegetables. A portion of broccoli was probably home to douzen of insects. And the poor worms chopped up by machines in fields.

Veg is murder.

Agree with the first two sentences, disagree with the second two. In my opinion, insects aren't sentient "enough" to oblige me to feel guilty about killing them. And yes, I realise there is a gradient of sentience between bacteria and humans, but the domesticated animals we breeds by the billions all fall pretty close to humans on the grand scale of capacity-to-suffer-like-humans and sentience, wth insects pretty far down the scale. If there was unlimited biomass available to provide us with animals without us having to worry about whether it was sustainable or not, and if animals suffered minimally during their lives before they were killed for their meat, and if the process of killing them somehow was not brutal, I would feel much less irked by the sight of the likes of "thebodycoach" etc. on facebook mindlessly promoting high-protein meals. PROTEIN, PROTEIN, PROTEIN ... ALWAYS PROTEIN!!!

And another thing - since when did *nice* meals become diet foods? I thought diets were meant to involve suffering and self-restraint ... its *easy* to only eat lots of meat, vegetables and a bit of rice .. NOBODY deserves any admiration for being "able to" maintain such a diet. I'd have much more admiration for somebody who eats little meat and lots of carbs to be honest.

marialouise · 22-03-2017 09:25PM

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Agree with the first two sentences, disagree with the second two. In my opinion, insects aren't sentient "enough" to oblige me to feel guilty about killing them. And yes, I realise there is a gradient of sentience between bacteria and humans, but the domesticated animals we breeds by the billions all fall pretty close to humans on the grand scale of capacity-to-suffer-like-humans and sentience, wth insects pretty far down the scale. If there was unlimited biomass available to provide us with animals without us having to worry about whether it was sustainable or not, and if animals suffered minimally during their lives before they were killed for their meat, and if the process of killing them somehow was not brutal, I would feel much less irked by the sight of the likes of "thebodycoach" etc. on facebook mindlessly promoting high-protein meals. PROTEIN, PROTEIN, PROTEIN ... ALWAYS PROTEIN!!!

And another thing - since when did *nice* meals become diet foods? I thought diets were meant to involve suffering and self-restraint ... its *easy* to only eat lots of meat, vegetables and a bit of rice .. NOBODY deserves any admiration for being "able to" maintain such a diet. I'd have much more admiration for somebody who eats little meat and lots of carbs to be honest.

It's not mindless, they know exactly why they're promoting higher protein meals. Because science!
And since when did anyone do a diet to gain admiration? A "diet" means being in a calorie deficit, which can be done with or without meat. And a successful diet won't feel like suffering. Eating chicken, veg and rice is nice, but when your body is low on calories it's never easy. Have you dieted down to low body fat before?
What's a "diet food" anyway? I just eat my normal food and if I need to lose weight I eat less of it?

22-03-2017 09:37PM

marialouise wrote: »

It's not mindless, they know exactly why they're promoting higher protein meals. Because science!
And since when did anyone do a diet to gain admiration? A "diet" means being in a calorie deficit, which can be done with or without meat. And a successful diet won't feel like suffering. Eating chicken, veg and rice is nice, but when your body is low on calories it's never easy. Have you dieted down to low body fat before?
What's a "diet food" anyway? I just eat my normal food and if I need to lose weight I eat less of it?

I'm not denying the science behind it in terms of weight loss (although people do tend to ignore the detrimental effects of eating too much meat, but anyway..), I am merely saying it is mindless with regard to not acknowledging the realitiy that protein is much more expensive to produce for the planet, involves actual living animals having to suffer etc. Before the internet few people understood nutrition - in the last 10 years everyone seems to be up to scratch on the science behind weight loss at least (regrettably in my view since it has contributed to the formation of a population of overly image-concious people). A diet food is clearly the kind of food it is easy to eat in the long run, regularly, and maintain a low body weight. It is easy to do while eating lots of protein. We could all eat meat 3 times a day. But if everyone eats lots of protein it will all run out. And if it doesn't run out, it simply means more living things are being brought into existence and made suffer to satisfy our selfish human desires to have low body fat. That is the crux of my issue!

22-03-2017 09:42PM

Deleted User wrote: »

I thought diets were meant to involve suffering and self-restraint ...

Your diet is literally what you eat

22-03-2017 09:56PM

bluewolf wrote: »

Your diet is literally what you eat

https://www.google.ie/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=diet+definition&*&dobs=diet

1. the kinds of food that a person, animal, or community habitually eats.

2. a special course of food to which a person restricts themselves, either to lose weight or for medical reasons

Alf Veedersane · 22-03-2017 10:01PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm not denying the science behind it in terms of weight loss (although people do tend to ignore the detrimental effects of eating too much meat, but anyway..), I am merely saying it is mindless with regard to not acknowledging the realitiy that protein is much more expensive to produce for the planet, involves actual living animals having to suffer etc. Before the internet few people understood nutrition - in the last 10 years everyone seems to be up to scratch on the science behind weight loss at least (regrettably in my view since it has contributed to the formation of a population of overly image-concious people). A diet food is clearly the kind of food it is easy to eat in the long run, regularly, and maintain a low body weight. It is easy to do while eating lots of protein. We could all eat meat 3 times a day. But if everyone eats lots of protein it will all run out. And if it doesn't run out, it simply means more living things are being brought into existence and made suffer to satisfy our selfish human desires to have low body fat. That is the crux of my issue!

There wouldn't be a problem if animals weren't so damn tasty.

22-03-2017 10:02PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There wouldn't be a problem if animals weren't so damn tasty.

Ah sure, this is it

Zillah · 23-03-2017 01:25AM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

There wouldn't be a problem if animals weren't so damn tasty.

I said the same about people but nooooo suddenly I'm a "murderer" and a "depraved cannibal".

Alf Veedersane · 23-03-2017 08:01AM

Zillah wrote: »

I said the same about people but nooooo suddenly I'm a "murderer" and a "depraved cannibal".

Did you mention the fava beans and the bottle of nice Chianti?

jive · 23-03-2017 12:24PM

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Nourishing food would be the main thing. I know where you're getting at though and you're right, it's illogical, inconsistent, hypocritical of me, seeing as I don't sell everything I own but the bare minimum to survive and donate the proceeds. Surely though some people share my feelings of guilt about all the meat people eat nowadays? And not even from the usual (valid in my opinion) vegetarian perspective of animal cruelty but of over-luxury and resource depletion?

I stopped eating meat because of ethical reasons (primarily environmental). I know the counter argument is always but 'do you do X & Y & Z too? Because if you don't you're a hypocrite' and that's fair enough. Having said that, at least I'm doing something. I'd still be doing X & Y & Z but at least that one simple change, replacing meat with beans/tofu whatever, makes a difference.

It's not the all or nothing thing that people like to make it out to be because that's just an excuse to do nothing. I don't need to be an absolute crusty living naked in a mud hut with no electricity. Protein bread is a perfect example, not everyone is going to want protein bread but there's a significant enough amount of people seeking this out that there is an actual market for phucking protein bread.

Alf Veedersane · 23-03-2017 01:25PM

If you stopped drinking milk, you'd have an impact on reducing the number of cows contributing to emissions (because of the abolition of milk quotas)

jive · 23-03-2017 09:55PM

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

If you stopped drinking milk, you'd have an impact on reducing the number of cows contributing to emissions (because of the abolition of milk quotas)

Haven't drank milk in years

Alf Veedersane · 23-03-2017 09:57PM

Protein bread

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