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How come CAB never go after travellers?

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  • #122
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    snowflaker wrote: »
    English hotelier, said he couldn't trust Irish builders. I asked "All of them?" He said yes.

    He may have had a bad experience. However its fair to say a lot of English and Scottish people must trust Irish builders, judging by how well some Irish builders have got on and prospered over there, over the years.


  • #123
    FionnK86
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,218 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    Once modern banking and technology starts coming into the mainstream, it will be harder and harder for criminals to hide where there money is coming from.

    I am not calling all travellers criminals, I understand that a higher proportion of travellers are criminals compared to the general population however. Let's consider why there is a higher proportion. As pots and pans become cheaper in Ireland, with economic growth in the 60/70's, we no longer needed the local traveller to go from town to town.

    The statistics on traveller unemployment have no been present since then, but it is not too far-fetched to say that in the past 50 years, travellers have been forced into more criminal ways of earning money as they cannot adjust to going to school and then college to get a job.

    Let's fast forward 20 years. Nearly every child in the country will have some form of third level education or qualification (if current trends continue). At that stage, money can be tracked from payslip, to bank, to shop. The police networks will get to grips with tracking theft, as computers remove menial tasks they perform everyday.

    Sadly, things aren't looking too good for the traveller who hasn't adapted to our economic emergence on the world stage. Darwin's rules of adapting to change rings a bell.


  • #124
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    Sleeper12 wrote: »
    I've seen suggested ethnic cleansing on two out threads about travellers in the last few weeks of. Not very helpful posts imo

    Yeah and it was a "joke" apparently :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #125
    Annasopra
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41,232 ✭✭✭✭Annasopra


    The Assistinator wrote: »
    I have nowhere said all travellers should be wiped out

    You didnt. But that doesnt negate the fact that someone else did.

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #126
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    maryishere wrote: »
    He may have had a bad experience. However its fair to say a lot of English and Scottish people must trust Irish builders, judging by how well some Irish builders have got on and prospered over there, over the years.

    Doesn't give him the right to tar them all with the one brush, or does it maryishere?


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  • #127
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Doesn't give him the right to tar them all with the one brush, or does it maryishere?

    You do not know what his personal experience was. For example, there was a case in the media some time ago of a gang of Irish "builders" ( they were really Irish travellers ) who targeted elderly English people living alone, telling them there was a slate loose and they would fix it , but they would then bill them for 10,000, or case the joint for a later robbery, or whatever etc. Perhaps that person had a mother or other relative who was a victim of such rogues?


  • #128
    Demonique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Demonique


    12gauge dave wrote: »
    Maybe they do on a small scale but i have never seen evidence in my area of it in the 28 and half years of my life. I pass houses fit for kings on the way to and from work as they collect their dole in porsche cayennes?

    Have you reported them to the police, the CAB or complained to your TD about them?


  • #129
    Demonique
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,899 ✭✭✭Demonique


    DontThankMe wrote: »
    Maybe it's because travellers aren't criminals.

    If they're working on the sly cheating the system to avoid paying taxes then sorry they ARE criminals

    please helpThank YOU wrote: »
    Rathkeale co limerick there are drive around brand new English 2017 reg porsche cars bentleys cars rolls royce cars mercedes cars range rovers jeeps the lot the are super Wealthy rich people money the cars there at xmas you would not see the likes of it any where in europe I have been there a few times the graveyard in Rathkeale co limerick the headstones the must have cost up to 100000 euros each and more why do all the rich travellers go there what is the story is the holy land for them i would love to know now get back to paying tax why would the want to that and give there hard cash to the likes of TD Willie o Dea , TD Joan burton TD Michael Lowry,TD Bertie Ahern etc why would you want give your money to them because if the did the would be like most people of Ireland broke there sticking there two fingers up the government and I say well done boys .


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    Deleted User wrote: »
    How come CAB don't go after Nigerians?

    Some of them pull money scams, so racial profiling should be allowed for black people and Africans.

    How come they don't round up the Irish in the UK? Everyone know we're just drunker brawlers who fiddle benefits.

    I can't be sure but I think CAB tend to go after criminals based in Ireland, the Nigerians who scam people tend to be based in Nigeria.

    As for any Irish people in the UK who fiddle benefits and get into drunken brawls, thats for the UK government to deal with


  • #130
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    You didnt. But that doesnt negate the fact that someone else did.

    And? Different thread... Nothing to do with this....Shall we move along and debate reality and not the mutterings of someone i presume was banned yeah?


  • #131
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    maryishere wrote: »
    You do not know what his personal experience was. For example, there was a case in the media some time ago of a gang of Irish "builders" ( they were really Irish travellers ) who targeted elderly English people living alone, telling them there was a slate loose and they would fix it , but they would then bill them for 10,000, or case the joint for a later robbery, or whatever etc. Perhaps that person had a mother or other relative who was a victim of such rogues?

    It doesn't allow one to tarnish all Irish builders- that's unfair. I was robbed by a black persons in NY, doesn't mean I dislike or distrust black people now, and doesn't give me the right to either


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  • #132
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    snowflaker wrote: »
    It doesn't allow you to tarnish all Irish builders- that's unfair.
    I did not tarnish all Irish Builders. Far from it.


  • #133
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    maryishere wrote: »
    I did not tarnish all Irish Builders. Far from it.

    No, and he shouldn't either!


  • #134
    maryishere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,549 ✭✭✭maryishere


    This thread is about travellers, I do not know why you brought up a story about some Englishman you allegedly met in Germany who(you say) did not trust Irish builders!


  • #135
    Erik Shin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,721 ✭✭✭Erik Shin


    maryishere wrote: »
    This thread is about travellers, I do not know why you brought up a story about some Englishman you allegedly met in Germany who(you say) did not trust Irish builders!

    Travellers do building work also ..They do drywalling, tarmacadam and roofing....It's a distinct possibility the hotelier had been stung and was tarring all reputable Irish builders with the same brush


  • #136
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,285 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    maryishere wrote:
    This thread is about travellers, I do not know why you brought up a story about some Englishman you allegedly met in Germany who(you say) did not trust Irish builders!


    To be honest I'm not sure what this thread is about. CAB do & have gone after travellers. I don't want to name them for fear boards.ie will get lawyers letter. But think biggest crime gangs in Limerick. CAB only publicise the big cases or the big names.
    Personally I think the title of the thread is suggesting that all if not most travellers are criminals. Yet another thread to pop cheap digs and bad jokes at travellers imo


  • #137
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    maryishere wrote: »
    This thread is about travellers, I do not know why you brought up a story about some Englishman you allegedly met in Germany who(you say) did not trust Irish builders!

    It was an example of stereotyping and how it rears its ugly head


  • #138
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    snowflaker wrote: »
    It was an example of stereotyping and how it rears its ugly head

    Where do you draw a line between the life experiences of people and the bland accusation of stereotyping?


  • #139
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Doesn't give him the right to tar them all with the one brush, or does it maryishere?

    If you take offence at every perceived slight your going to end up exhausted from all the flouncing and huffing and you end up getting a rep for being hyper sensitive and touchy.
    UK people living and working in Ireland have to put up with all kinds of nonsense and to a certain extent Americans do to.
    For some reason Irish people travelling abroad expect to be treated differently and are surprised and offended when people throw out generalisations about our drinking culture and our propensity for violence.
    But in Australia in particular a lot of the Irish that have gone there have lived up to the reputation so you can't really complain.


  • #140
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    infogiver wrote: »
    If you take offence at every perceived slight your going to end up exhausted from all the flouncing and huffing and you end up getting a rep for being hyper sensitive and touchy.
    UK people living and working in Ireland have to put up with all kinds of nonsense and to a certain extent Americans do to.
    For some reason Irish people travelling abroad expect to be treated differently and are surprised and offended when people throw out generalisations about our drinking culture and our propensity for violence.
    But in Australia in particular a lot of the Irish that have gone there have lived up to the reputation so you can't really complain.

    I didnt flounce or huff, I just got up and moved away, I was on holiday, didnt need his bs.


  • #141
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Caleb Lemon Warmonger wrote: »
    Where do you draw a line between the life experiences of people and the bland accusation of stereotyping?

    Again, judging a group of people by your experiences.

    I was robbed once, by a black person. Doesn't mean I'm entitled to think black people are more likely to rob me


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  • #142
    ytpe2r5bxkn0c1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 32,688 ✭✭✭✭ytpe2r5bxkn0c1


    snowflaker wrote: »
    Again, judging a group of people by your experiences.

    I was robbed once, by a black person. Doesn't mean I'm entitled to think black people are more likely to rob me

    And I would agree in that instance. I'm talking about repeated experiences over decades.


  • #143
    snowflaker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,922 ✭✭✭snowflaker


    Caleb Lemon Warmonger wrote: »
    And I would agree in that instance. I'm talking about repeated experiences over decades.

    Still doesn't allow people to stereotype a whole culture


  • #144
    .........
    Closed Accounts Posts: 624 ✭✭✭.........


    There's lots of crooks in Ireland CAB and the Gardai never interfere with from politicians to bankers.


  • #145
    elperello
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,038 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    Can't Pay We'll Take it Away
    3E now


  • #146
    mcko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 755 ✭✭✭mcko


    They should all be shot a birth never mind the CAB.

    Mod: banned.


  • #147
    tomofson
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,651 ✭✭✭tomofson


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Another thread, another boat load of people like rabid dogs ready to get the digs in at travellers and tar them all as horrendous criminals. Then, on the flip side, you have the same people over and over who'll defend them no matter what they do. It's all getting very repetitive. There's a such thing as middle ground here folks.

    If you ever had any real life encounters with this community I can guarantee you would be singing a whole different tone.


  • #148
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    tomofson wrote: »
    If you ever had any real life encounters with this community I can guarantee you would be singing a whole different tone.

    I do have real life encounters with them, as it happens, every single day I go to work. So you can keep your guarantee. If you read my post , it says that there's people ready to foam at the mouth to put them down (all of them) and then I said , on the flip side, there's those headcases who defend them down to the ground even when they're acting the complete scumbag. There's a middle ground between calling for all Travellers to be shot and excusing their well documented and known scandalous behaviour.


  • #149
    fergiesfolly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,537 ✭✭✭fergiesfolly


    There are undoubtedly people in the traveling community who feel trapped by the culture and traditions within that community (mainly women and gay men and women)
    However, that does not condone those who partake in, and seem to thrive on criminal activity and anti-social behaviour. Nor does it condone those within the traveling community who turn a blind eye to it.
    They'll demand equality, special status and privileges. Yet they won't conform to the responsibilities of society that comes with same rights.
    And its this, that so upsets most of the settled society.


  • #150
    jsd1004
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 833 ✭✭✭jsd1004


    YFlyer wrote: »
    They rent most of those vehicles.

    Thats bull. They dont believe in credit cards which you will need to rent a car. Show me one traveler who has ever paid for anything on a credit card..


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  • #151
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Fairly spot on post there ferriesfolly. I'll call a spade a spade, a lot of the reputation the Travelling Community have is on them. It is. You can blame who you want or compare to the Blacks in the US but at the end of the day, personal resonsibility has to come into it. How come the Amish people don't get into all that mischief, they're arguably more primitive than the Travellers!

    Having said that, I'd feel so bloody sorry for a fella or girl who just wants to work or study to provide for his family or to better him/herself only to be met with suspicion or worse. It's sad. It's not the individual's fault...but the stereotype didn't come from nowhere.


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