How come CAB never go after travellers?

Graces7 · 12-03-2017 10:00AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

How is it begrudgery to ask why someone can own palatial houses and drive expensive cars on €188 a week?

be honest: if you had all that would you be saying this?

and frankly, it is none of your business, is it? Keep your eyes on your own page .

The Assistinator · 12-03-2017 10:01AM

Graces7 wrote: »

These are the folk you are waging war on?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tragedy-heaped-upon-tragedy-for-traveller-families-facing-into-funerals-after-latest-fire-35520981.html

Resquiescat in pace, little ones.

Why bring that story of a tragic family into something like this as if it's like scoring points a real shame.

Sleeper12 · 12-03-2017 10:02AM

Whilst you may be right, have you any proof of this. Are you sure that they haven't paid tax on it? Have you seen their tax returns?
Some traveller families had legitimate businesses & pay tax. Also possibly an inheritance?
I can't say for sure one way or another without seeing their tax returns.

Edit : they do go after some travellers too btw. Not all CAB investigations are high profile but they have gone after several feuding families from Limerick

Graces7 · 12-03-2017 10:02AM

Super-Rush wrote: »

Fcuking ridiculous post.

In what way, please?

12-03-2017 10:02AM

Another thread, another boat load of people like rabid dogs ready to get the digs in at travellers and tar them all as horrendous criminals. Then, on the flip side, you have the same people over and over who'll defend them no matter what they do. It's all getting very repetitive. There's a such thing as middle ground here folks.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 12-03-2017 10:04AM

Graces7 wrote: »

These are the folk you are waging war on?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tragedy-heaped-upon-tragedy-for-traveller-families-facing-into-funerals-after-latest-fire-35520981.html

Resquiescat in pace, little ones.

Why divert to that? Nothing in that article has anything to do with this. Blinkered?

Graces7 · 12-03-2017 10:04AM

The Assistinator wrote: »

Why bring that story of a tragic family into something like this as if it's like scoring points a real shame.

Someone posted that they should all be wiped off the face of the earth; all travellers?

Shame is on you. I was watching the threads and nothing on these lovely lovely people, but then after Carrickmines?

Permabear · 12-03-2017 10:05AM

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12-03-2017 10:06AM

Graces7 wrote: »

These are the folk you are waging war on?

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/tragedy-heaped-upon-tragedy-for-traveller-families-facing-into-funerals-after-latest-fire-35520981.html

Resquiescat in pace, little ones.

That's absolutely disingenuous. Pathethic emotive points scoring effort there. Who in their right minds would suggest anything like that. Shameful.

dan1895 · 12-03-2017 10:08AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

How is it begrudgery to ask why someone can own palatial houses and drive expensive cars on €188 a week?

Because begrudgery seems to be a term thrown around these days to have a pop at someone when they have a differing point of view.

Sleeper12 · 12-03-2017 10:09AM

Graces7 wrote:

Someone posted that they should all be wiped off the face of the earth; all travellers?

I've seen suggested ethnic cleansing on two out threads about travellers in the last few weeks of. Not very helpful posts imo

Graces7 · 12-03-2017 10:10AM

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I think CAB do go after travellers.
In the last few years they've being several documentaries/reality TV programs about travellers. In these programs they often spend thousands on ceremonies/events and they've no really source of income. The people selling these goods to travellers always say you never talk to to them about money.
These programs are one of the reasons people are turning off travellers.
I know lots of people who don't give care if you end up on social welfare/have a council house etc but they expect you to live within your means. Example theirs no problem with having a handy car such as second hand Ford Focus or Opel Corsa but when your turning up to the Post Office to collect your social welfare in a brand new car it just rubs people up the wrong way.
When my parents were young people felt sorry for travellers and offered them little jobs on farms if they were passing through town. People like seeing the old style caravan(Wanderly Wagon style) the odd bit of thieving might have happened but people generally felt for travellers and in my experience they don't as much now.
I went to primary school with nice travelling boys. Who were generally in school and well behaved. Their was none of this things about the traveller was sent to the back of the room or wasn't talked to by odd people(apart from the odd snobby guy but he didn't talk to lots of people). However once these guys reached secondary school they basically stopped going to school and I honestly don't know why. One guy was a nice lad and I saw him after years and we said hello to one another but it would have being nice to see him to do his Junior Cert but I suppose at thirteen of my parents didn't send me to school I wouldn't have had much of a choice.
However people in my experience are terrified of travellers in rural area. They don't fear the Hutch/Kenahan feud but people are scared of travellers for various reason. Mainly because they've had so many bad experience in the past.
I know people and if they were told their child/grandchild was marrying a foreign person. It might have being an issue in the past but they'd have no issue now because they've had good experience with foreign people.
Same goes with somebody of a different religion or skin color. Even people who'd have being very anti-gay even up to ten years ago are very accepting now and would have no issue with it.(The odd parent might be a little upset their wasn't a church wedding but they'd get over it.)
However if somebody brought home a traveller I could see their being a massive cultural and acceptance clash between families. With both families having issues.

I have lived in rural ireland nearly 20 years and the only contact I have had with travellers has been positive. As opposed to some others who were not travellers...

So you need to rethink and stop generalising.

12-03-2017 10:10AM

Permabear wrote: »

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We can. But I guess other people say such behaviour is ingrained in us Irish.

The Assistinator · 12-03-2017 10:12AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Someone posted that they should all be wiped off the face of the earth; all travellers?

Shame is on you. I was watching the threads and nothing on these lovely lovely people, but then after Carrickmines?

If you want to discuss what happened these poor people (really let them R.I.P) start another thread on it don't take a tragedy like this to prove your point.
I have nowhere said all travellers should be wiped out, however I do have a problem with you cheaply using a news story like above.
Lastly there is no shame on me I only contributed to this thread to call you out on the news story you posted which is in the very least bad taste.

12-03-2017 10:12AM

Graces7 wrote: »

be honest: if you had all that would you be saying this?

and frankly, it is none of your business, is it? Keep your eyes on your own page .

What do you think of whistleblowers?

If someone is cheating the system, traveller or settled, then odds are that my taxes are paying for it. I have no problem with people getting their entitlements or benefits but it absolutely IS my business if someone is fraudulently acquiring money through my earnings. You say keep your eyes on your own page, I say take your head out of the sand.

Graces7 · 12-03-2017 10:13AM

Omackeral wrote: »

That's absolutely disingenuous. Pathethic emotive points scoring effort there. Who in their right minds would suggest anything like that. Shameful.

Oh dear! Hit a nerve there.

12-03-2017 10:15AM

Sleeper12 wrote: »

I've seen suggested ethnic cleansing on two out threads about travellers in the last few weeks of. Not very helpful posts imo

Any call for ethnic cleansing is disturbing. I bet they wouldn't have the bottle to post such things on their public Facebook accounts.

Turtyturd · 12-03-2017 10:16AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh dear! Hit a nerve there.

Don't think you hit a nerve, the post was just steeped in stupidity.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 12-03-2017 10:16AM

Graces7 wrote: »

I have lived in rural ireland nearly 20 years and the only contact I have had with travellers has been positive. As opposed to some others who were not travellers...

So you need to rethink and stop generalising.

And I have lived 74 years in rural Ireland and know several people who have been terrified by traveller activity over the years. Illegality follows them around here. I think you are judging travellers on the jaunting cart drivers.

freshpopcorn · 12-03-2017 10:16AM

Graces7 wrote: »

I have lived in rural ireland nearly 20 years and the only contact I have had with travellers has been positive. As opposed to some others who were not travellers...

So you need to rethink and stop generalising.

In my experience people are terrified of travellers in my area. They don't fear any other minority group. I can't help my experiences.

12-03-2017 10:20AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh dear! Hit a nerve there.

You used the unrelated tragic death of toddlers to score points and you were wrong to do so. The use of that smiley is a bit inappropriate too to be honest.

Erik Shin · 12-03-2017 10:24AM

Graces7 wrote: »

A very distinct aroma of deja vu and Irish begrudgery in the air... YYYYYYAAAAWWWWWNNNNNNNNNN!i

MYOB...

An aroma of catshïte from that post.

FYI, the CAB do investigate travellers when it is brought to their attention...And many have been prosecuted with assets seized
But the issue is ..That travelers ..Well.... Travel ..Not just to England, they base themselves in Switzerland and Italy and work their magic there too

http://m.herald.ie/news/irish-rhino-smugglers-had-fake-120k-28005158.html

Will I Am Not · 12-03-2017 10:28AM

Graces7 wrote: »

Oh dear! Hit a nerve there.

What about the poor dead traveller babies that have nothing to do with this conversation?

Ha ha I hit a nerve by bringing up dead traveller babies.

It's all about the point scoring then?

Noddyholder · 12-03-2017 10:30AM

The Op was answered already, they do go after them, A quick google of CAB & travellers will show lots of results in more ways than one.

Now why don't CAB go after the white collar criminals in Ireland which costs this state millions every year or are we happy with the two-tier legal system that operates re sentencing & enforcement .The direct financial cost of corruption and fraud is also staggering.

In 2007, the accounting firm RSM Robson Rhodes estimated that Ireland was losing €2.5 billion a year from economic crime.That’s €25 billion potentially lost to the Irish economy over a decade.

Money is being sucked out of the economy by white collar criminals, but unfortunately for its victims (which is most of us), white collar crime doesn’t sell newspapers & gets threads on boards so is unlikely to be the political priority it ought to be.

Ireland’s attitude to immoral conduct by the middle classes is to pretend it does not exist by refusing to officially acknowledge it.

Anyway lets get back to them travellers bleeden us dry & terrorising the whole country...

Erik Shin · 12-03-2017 10:32AM

Noddyholder wrote: »

The Op was answered already, they do go after them, A quick google of CAB & travellers will show lots of results in more ways than one.

Now why don't CAB go after the white collar criminals in Ireland which costs this state millions every year or are we happy with the two-tier legal system that operates re sentencing & enforcement .The direct financial cost of corruption and fraud is also staggering.

In 2007, the accounting firm RSM Robson Rhodes estimated that Ireland was losing €2.5 billion a year from economic crime.That’s €25 billion potentially lost to the Irish economy over a decade.

Money is being sucked out of the economy by white collar criminals, but unfortunately for its victims (which is most of us), white collar crime doesn’t sell newspapers & gets threads on boards so is unlikely to be the political priority it ought to be.

Ireland’s attitude to immoral conduct by the middle classes is to pretend it does not exist by refusing to officially acknowledge it.

Anyway lets get back to them travellers bleeden us dry & terrorising the whole country...

Right, go start a thread about white collar criminals, and we'll all follow you over in 5 mins , ok?

stefanovich · 12-03-2017 10:32AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

What about the poor dead traveller babies that have nothing to do with this conversation?

Ha ha I hit a nerve by bringing up dead traveller babies.

It's all about the point scoring then?

I am detecting a high probability of infant mortality in your case.

Will I Am Not · 12-03-2017 10:32AM

Noddyholder wrote: »

The Op was answered already, they do go after them, A quick google of CAB & travellers will show lots of results in more ways than one.

Now why don't CAB go after the white collar criminals in Ireland which costs this state millions every year or are we happy with the two-tier legal system that operates re sentencing & enforcement .The direct financial cost of corruption and fraud is also staggering.

In 2007, the accounting firm RSM Robson Rhodes estimated that Ireland was losing €2.5 billion a year from economic crime.That’s €25 billion potentially lost to the Irish economy over a decade.

Money is being sucked out of the economy by white collar criminals, but unfortunately for its victims (which is most of us), white collar crime doesn’t sell newspapers & gets threads on boards so is unlikely to be the political priority it ought to be.

Ireland’s attitude to immoral conduct by the middle classes is to pretend it does not exist by refusing to officially acknowledge it.

Anyway lets get back to them travellers bleeden us dry & terrorising the whole country...

But what about the bankers and the gubberment?

It's like you're not allowed discuss anything else.

Will I Am Not · 12-03-2017 10:33AM

stefanovich wrote: »

I am detecting a high probability of infant mortality in your case.

Wtf are you on about?

stefanovich · 12-03-2017 10:35AM

The Fake Sheikh wrote: »

Wtf are you on about?

And a slow learner too.

LeBash · 12-03-2017 10:41AM

arayess wrote: »

tbh I have had that thought about the nigerians myself , I can only guess that the bulk of the money is shipped out of the country so there isn't much left to seize - same as eastern european criminals.

What's is it that the Nigerians and Eastern Europeans are doing? Genuine question?

How come CAB never go after travellers?

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