6 Nations 2017 General Discussion Thread

Granny15 wrote: »

I think we'll beat them but without a bonus point so we'll be going into last weekend with nothing to play for.

Any win for us on Friday would have us well in the hunt against England. We're just 3 points behind them so even if they get a TBP win over Scotland (unlikely from the looks of it) then there'll be a 4 point difference. An 8 point win in the Aviva would win us the Championship on PD.

If both England and ourselves win without BPs this weekend then any win at all will do in the Aviva.

If we win in Cardiff we'll have it all to play for against England.

Shero1985 wrote: »

Can anyone confirm what the rules are if teams are level on match points at end of the tournament? Is it still the same as previous years?- i.e. points difference.

This could become crucial, and the perfunctory piece on the Six Nations website is no help at all.

Consider a possible scenario at time of writing.

England are currently on 13pts, Ireland on 10 and Scotland on 9.

Let's say just for the crack that Ireland beat Wales on Friday in Cardiff. We will have 14pts (No Bonus)

Let's say, just for the crack, that Scotland beat England narrowly at Twickenham this weekend. They move on to 13 and England move to 14 with a losing bonus.

Then on the following week, Scotland, first up against Italy, win with a bonus point. They therefore move on to 18pts, and will have beaten both England AND Ireland.

For the last game of the season, Ireland and England will take to the field on 14pts each, both having lost to Scotland. Does this mean that somebody will have to win that match with a bonus point in order to overtake Scotland?

Scenario: If the winner of Ireland v England DOESN'T get a bonus point and finishes level with Scotland on 18 does head to head separate the teams or points difference?

If it's head to head, Scotland wins.
If it's points difference, it will depend largely on what Scotland will have achieved against Italy but they will find it hard to overtake Ireland.

The difference is crucial.

Does anybody have a special channel into the Six NAtions organisers? Their website is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike!

Snickers Man wrote: »

This could become crucial, and the perfunctory piece on the Six Nations website is no help at all.

Consider a possible scenario at time of writing.

England are currently on 13pts, Ireland on 10 and Scotland on 9.

Let's say just for the crack that Ireland beat Wales on Friday in Cardiff. We will have 14pts (No Bonus)

Let's say, just for the crack, that Scotland beat England narrowly at Twickenham this weekend. They move on to 13 and England move to 14 with a losing bonus.

Then on the following week, Scotland, first up against Italy, win with a bonus point. They therefore move on to 18pts, and will have beaten both England AND Ireland.

For the last game of the season, Ireland and England will take to the field on 14pts each, both having lost to Scotland. Does this mean that somebody will have to win that match with a bonus point in order to overtake Scotland?

Scenario: If the winner of Ireland v England DOESN'T get a bonus point and finishes level with Scotland on 18 does head to head separate the teams or points difference?

If it's head to head, Scotland wins.
If it's points difference, it will depend largely on what Scotland will have achieved against Italy but they will find it hard to overtake Ireland.

The difference is crucial.

Does anybody have a special channel into the Six NAtions organisers? Their website is as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike!

Snickers Man wrote: »

Watch the round ball game then.

Im afraid I wouldn't fit in with my rough uncouth ways ;-p

Deleted User wrote: »

Match points
Points difference

Head to head doesn't come into it as there are no return fixtures.

If Scotland beat England and we beat England and Wales, Scotland need to cricket score on Italy to win, our points difference is a ways ahead.

Ireland win our last two games I'd say we will take the championship unless England obliterate Scotland. If England get a TBP and a decent win margin I'd say they will take the tournament.

Yeah. Currently Scotland are 43 points behind us and England are 29. That's on points difference obviously.

If Scotland did beat England, they'd obviously gain something on us. It would still need us to barely beat Wales and England for them to have a chance of putting a big enough score on Italy to overhaul us. Having said that, we put 53 points on Italy, so it's possible.

Deleted User wrote: »

If Scotland and Ireland win it sets up another super Saturday like 2015 with 3 teams in the running

Well not quite. Super Saturday 2015 had a potential winner in every game. And in fact, France could also have won the championship on the final day!

We may never see a day of rugby like that again - in fact I'd bet that it'll stand as being the best final day in 6 nations history forever (as I don't expect it to be equaled for the competition changes).

What an incredible day. Thank you Rory Kockott.

Deleted User wrote: »

The stress of that England game. Still produced some absolute beaut's, this in particular:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vh9kk-ddwRo

And when the Nakaitaci almost forgot to ground the ball when walking in a try, just running straight over the dead ball line

Snickers Man wrote: »

If you say so. Anyway, the chances of Scotland winning in Twickenham are remote. They NEVER win there. Well, almost never. Only two wins in Twickers since the War.

The bookies are giving +11 for Scotland. I think that's certainly generous, whatever about their chances of winning.

Dulin ; Nakaitaci, Lamerat, Fickou, Vakatawa ; (o) Lopez, (m) Serin -
Gourdon, Picamoles, Sanconnie - Maestri, Le Devedec - Slimani, Guirado (cap), Baille.

Tolofua, Ben Arous, Atonio, Jedrasiak, Le Roux, Dupont, Trinh-Duc, Huget.

First cap for Fabien Sanconnie of Brive. Ollivon is injured.

Interesting that Mako Vunipola misses out after coming back against Italy. I imagine Billy V will get 25-30 minutes off the bench.

Watson back into the 23.

Farrell apparently picked up a knock in training and had to sit out the remainder afterwards. Jones says he'll be ok but I think best practice is mostly just to ignore anything and everything Jones says.

Anyway, could be bad news for England, hugely important player for them.

errlloyd wrote: »

Is Spedding injured?

No mention of it, probably just rotation. More of a horse for courses pick too, Dulin will shred the Italians.

FACECUTTR wrote: »

John Hayes and Mike Ross would shred the Italians at this stage.

Mike's been practicing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeRoss03/status/836243552426422272

Dog Botherer wrote: »

Mike's been practicing.

https://mobile.twitter.com/MikeRoss03/status/836243552426422272

I seen that. Who says you can't teach an old dog new tricks.