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Is air conditioning not a standard feature in cars? Should it be?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,981 ✭✭✭acequion


    bazz26 wrote: »
    Reality is cars are fitted with equipment levels based on a price point. The more you pay for a new car the better standard equipment generally is. Some people buy base or entry level models because it suits their pockets and needs. Car manufacturers also strip certain things not seen as essential from certain models to make them cheaper and more affordable to people who don't want or care about those features.

    Fitting air conditioning still costs the manufacturer money, fitting it as standard to a model just means that cost is already incorporated into the price. For example if the Note that the OP bought had a/c fitted but the car cost €400 more then the OP most probably would not have given it a second thought. The same way you pay big money for a luxury car and it comes with certain things as standard but you cannot expect those things to be standard on cheaper brands costing a fraction of the price.

    But I wouldn't consider the Nissan Note to be a cheap car! I've driven Nissan cars for years and find them excellent. Now you're right I certainly would have been happy to pay more for AC if I'd had that option but the bottom line for me is a well functioning vehicle.

    However I agree with the poster who was also amazed that a 2014 car doesn't have AC. It seems that Nissan did have it as standard in the Note up to 2012 but then discontinued it. The mind boggles as to why because this model didn't get cheaper.

    Might I ask those of you who say you wouldn't be without it if you always buy new cars? Because if like me,you always trade in, then are your options not limited? Perhaps not so in the bigger cities but in rural parts it can be hard enough and time consuming to find what you want. And when you do there may often be some feature missing. And if this is a non essential in an otherwise good car, then it's foolish to pass it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    For what? De-Icer.No good for clearing inside of windows.

    I was kidding. Read back the previous x pages in this thread....


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    acequion wrote: »
    But I wouldn't consider the Nissan Note to be a cheap car! I've driven Nissan cars for years and find them excellent. Now you're right I certainly would have been happy to pay more for AC if I'd had that option but the bottom line for me is a well functioning vehicle.

    However I agree with the poster who was also amazed that a 2014 car doesn't have AC. It seems that Nissan did have it as standard in the Note up to 2012 but then discontinued it. The mind boggles as to why because this model didn't get cheaper.

    Might I ask those of you who say you wouldn't be without it if you always buy new cars? Because if like me,you always trade in, then are your options not limited? Perhaps not so in the bigger cities but in rural parts it can be hard enough and time consuming to find what you want. And when you do there may often be some feature missing. And if this is a non essential in an otherwise good car, then it's foolish to pass it up.

    Unless you're really at the bottom end of the market (entry level super minis perhaps) or cars 10+ years old, then there can't be many cars that don't have a/c. Full climate a bit rarer but getting much more common, standard now on Highline VW Golf's for the last couple of years. It's been standard on most larger saloons for years now too.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭Jack the Stripper


    I have climate control on 91 pajero jdm. Air con too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Climate control is thermostatically controlled. That's the difference. The end.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,547 ✭✭✭JoeA3


    Dare I say if the Henry Ford had a similar perspective as his 21st century heir on technology and progression, then our friend Henry Ford III would be just be plain old Henry Ford.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Henry Ford III


    r3nu4l wrote: »
    That's the same as saying there is no difference between an unmapped engine and a mapped engine because the mechanical parts are the same, despite the change in power outputs. You are either incredibly naive or just being facetious.

    It's not.

    There's potentially a big difference in engine outputs in your example whereas in the a/c vs c/c debate the treated air is exactly the same in quality temperature and humidity. The only difference is how the controls work. One is manual and the other is electronic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,536 ✭✭✭✭bazz26


    acequion wrote: »
    But I wouldn't consider the Nissan Note to be a cheap car! I've driven Nissan cars for years and find them excellent. Now you're right I certainly would have been happy to pay more for AC if I'd had that option but the bottom line for me is a well functioning vehicle.

    The point I'm making is that the Note model you bought was priced by Nissan as an entry level model so they took stuff like a/c out to keep the price down. Things like a/c are not fitted for free and they also attract VRT.

    Looking at the Nissan Note configurator site, a/c is an optional extra on the Note XE trim which I assume you bought. It is standard along with a few other extras on the next up Note SV trim which costs €800 more. Some people would rather save that €800, be happy with the XE trim and no a/c. Those that want a/c and the other extras have to pay €800 more for the SV model. Just because other car makers might fit a/c as standard doesn't mean the customer isn't paying for it. It's just included in the base price of the car rather than an extra.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,293 ✭✭✭CalamariFritti


    Bluetooth should be standard equipment before aircon imo .

    But you can only lead the horse to water...

    The other day I saw a guy driving a new 3 series and he still had the phone pressed to the ear in that right hand to the left ear around the head wrestling move. As far as I know you cant get a 3 series without bluetooth. Should be double points for him.


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    Talk about a trolling thread, the number of people who have swallowed the sales bullcr*p about Air Conditioning is incredible.

    Air conditioning is a complete mis description of the function. Air Chilling would be more appropriate, and it is so often misused it's not even funny.

    If the A/C only is on, then air coming into the vehicle is cooled, (which also reduces the humidity of that air) and that's ALL that A/C can ever do. The air is chilled, which is costing the owner/Driver a specific sum to do that, due to the use of additional energy to drive the compressor that produces the air conditioning effect (its exactly the same as a domestic refrigerator in terms of how it works). To make it worse, the chilled air is LESS able to remove ice or mist or condensation from the windows, as the colder air is, the less moisture it can absorb.

    So, to defrost, or demist the windows, heat is required, which can ONLY be provided by the use of a separate radiator that is in the air flow line, and which is heated by the water from the radiator (with the exception of modern electric powered vehicles), which requires that the engine is running, and producing heat. The warmer the air is, the more moisture it can absorb, which helps the process of clearing the windows. To confuse the equation even more, when water freezes, (transitions from vapour to ice) energy is released. So, if the A/C is on, the air entering the cabin may be less humid than the air outside, but it will also be cooler than it would otherwise have been, as the heat side has to warm the air more than if the A/C was off.

    The exact physics of the energy required or released in the process of condensing or evaporating moisture is a lot more complex than that, so probably not appropriate here, I can remember some of it still, as it was required learning in the meteorology part of commercial aviation training, as part of understanding clouds and their formation, and it was a severe brain strain at the time. This whole subject is the explanation of why it doesn't often rain hard when the air is cold, as there's not the same amount of water vapour in the air as there is when it's hot.

    As for climate control, or manual control, all that is doing is regulating the exact mix of air temperatures and cooling from the air conditioning and heating systems to provide air into the cabin at the temperature desired by the operator, with climate control doing the job automatically.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Steve your physics analysis is nonsense. A little knowledge and all of that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,111 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    My AC will clear the front windscreen of mist in seconds, with it turned off and just windscreen blower on it would take 5 minutes plus to do the same job.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,661 ✭✭✭Voodoomelon


    Talk about a trolling thread, the number of people who have swallowed the sales bullcr*p about Air Conditioning is incredible.

    And round in circles we go.

    Nothing you've said is untrue, but you're blaming people for trolling by deliberately leaving other information out yourself.

    As air enters through the cabin filters and passes over the evaporator filled with cold refrigerant, it causes this same air to condense and shed it's moisture onto its fins by its very design. This extracts the water from the incoming air in air conditioned cars, resulting in the clearing of the windows many, many times faster than cars without air conditioning.

    Far too many people drive off with their windows still fogged up because they aren't prepared to wait for their non-air conditioned car (or non activated) to clear the windows. If they had a button to press, they'd be on their way in 10 seconds with clear windows. Ignorance is bliss.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    My AC will clear the front windscreen of mist in seconds, with it turned off and just windscreen blower on it would take 5 minutes plus to do the same job.

    Exactly, when air conditioning is engaged it acts as a dehumidifier, that's why it makes such a difference to keeping a car condensation free, it's also the reason why even with cold air being blown into the cabin a car won't mist up once the air conditioning is switched on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,741 ✭✭✭✭lawred2


    Can you not just wind down the window and stick the foot down a bit on the 6 or so days a year this will be an issue?

    AC isn't for cooling. It's for regulation.

    Ever see an air conditioned car with fogged up windows?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,546 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Worth pointing out that the heat produced by the engine is wasted either way.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    My AC will clear the front windscreen of mist in seconds, with it turned off and just windscreen blower on it would take 5 minutes plus to do the same job.

    Yup with ac off despite the higher temp and greater absobption capacity, the air is so laden with moisture it effectively does nothing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    colm_mcm wrote: »
    Worth pointing out that the heat produced by the engine is wasted either way.

    Youd be amazed the amount of peope think the "heater" in a car is electrally powered.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    pajo1981 wrote: »
    Youd be amazed the amount of peope think the "heater" in a car is electrally powered.

    Actually is in some cars, though.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,111 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    GDY151


    There is a lot of people who will use the AC the day they buy their new cheappppppppppe taxxxxxxxxxxxxxx €25k car to see it works but will never for the ownership of the car turn it on again as they fear it will reduce the mpg down to that of Trumps Armoured Limo.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,178 ✭✭✭pajo1981


    Actually is in some cars, though.

    Only while the coolant is cold in some diesels. Or in an electric car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 26,658 ✭✭✭✭OldMrBrennan83


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,005 ✭✭✭pilly


    Note to self; NEVER follow a motoring thread again!


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