Scabs?

I would never pass a picket unless I really didn't have a choice. When it comes to grocery stores I have ample choice so there really is no need for me to go into Tesco unless of course I am prat who just wants to thumb my nose at the strikers. I remember in the 90s when Dunnes were on strike (think 1995) and I was listening to my Mum ask the strikers if anyone was breaking it, they said very few did apart from the odd wagon who went in bought a pair of tights and then waved them in their face shouting "get back to work". Just pointless behaviour.

Havockk wrote: »

I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm pointing the finger and asking why we are not talking about the root cause of such an issue and how we can change it. Let us not forget that response came in opposition to the question of wealth distribution.

The poster offered literally nothing other than to say 'it happens.' And given his ideological persuasions I'm not taking an insane leap of logic with the suggestion that a MORE laissez-faire approach with FEWER regulations is in any way going to help.

It is my sincere hope that this clears it up for you.

Lets accept 1 simple fact. Everyone is not 100% "equal". everyone is not "as good" as everyone else.

My brother is far better at sports than I am.

I am better at math that most people yet I have another brother who leaves me in the dust.

John who sits across from me in the office is far better at forecasting then I am, Mary is far better at writing a technical brief.

Paul is just a lazy f***** and will probably be unemployed by the end of the quarter..

As the ability to write a top notch technical brief is more important to the company (and more profitable) than the ability to forecast Mary gets paid more than John and John gets paid more than Paul..

Fintan is in a field with very very few peers. He spent 8 years completing his primary degree and his doctorate, has since completed another doctorate and is approached at least once a month with offers of alternative employment. He is a a hugely profitable asset to the company and his works is responsible for probably 55% of our revenue.

I am not sure of exact figures but I would be confident he earns more than John and Mary combined and probably Paul as well..

knipex wrote: »

Lets accept 1 simple fact. Everyone is not 100% "equal". everyone is not "as good" as everyone else.

My brother is far better at sports than I am.

I am better at math that most people yet I have another brother who leaves me in the dust.

John who sits across from me in the office is far better at forecasting then I am, Mary is far better at writing a technical brief.

Paul is just a lazy f***** and will probably be unemployed by the end of the quarter..

As the ability to write a top notch technical brief is more important to the company (and more profitable) than the ability to forecast Mary gets paid more than John and John gets paid more than Paul..

Fintan is in a field with very very few peers. He spent 8 years completing his primary degree and his doctorate, has since completed another doctorate and is approached at least once a month with offers of alternative employment. He is a a hugely profitable asset to the company and his works is responsible for probably 55% of our revenue.

I am not sure of exact figures but I would be confident he earns more than John and Mary combined and probably Paul as well..

That's all well and good, and nothing disagreeable. However it still does nothing to answer the problem. Could a better, reformed education help? How could we change it to combat those issues? Can we create a fairer system? And it's not a case on making everyone equal and exactly the same, I have no issues with a meritocracy.

Permabear wrote: »

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Not sure how old the studies are but I can assure you that's not true in my kids school. But then again it depends on how you define religious education. They had a day last week where they looked at a number of religions their beliefs and traditions.

Impressed me when they got home as they were relating stuff I didn't know and other stuff I was in my 30's before I learnt.

The Irish education system isn't perfect and needs reform but it has transformed from what it was in the 80's and is far better than many alternatives.. Including many areas of the US.....

Creationism would not be taught as science in an Irish school.

Butters1979 wrote: »

If someone wins the lotto and still ends up bankrupt, then yes they are stupid and deserve to lose their money. Very stupid. Blaming the education system is a cop out.

Socialists won't be happy until everyone is poor.

Butters, I'll give you this, at least your honest.

knipex wrote: »

Not sure how a reformed education system would make me better at sports or more inclined to the liberal arts or transform my interest in physics..

It's poverty that's to be defeated first and foremost. I'd argue that sporting ability and interest in just about anything can be improved, be it with something as simple as time and practice to teaching methods. Will that be enough to take anyone and make them an Olympic medalist? No, but that's not the point.

I do fear we have gone way too much off topic here and perhaps someone would be kind enough to start a thread. I'm eager to get at each others throats.

Deffinitely going to be taking a trip to one of the picketed stores tonight, got some small bits to pick up

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Ah mon frere you take it wrong. The root cause is of course capitalism, I mean just how clear did I have to make that? I thought you said you were really smart, and stuff?

end of the road wrote: »

no it would be that they aren't effected and don't have a mandate to strike. i'm sure they are against the striking workers because they are jealous of the fact they couldn't get what those workers have but those workers on strike worked damn hard for what they have.

Or have stayed exactly where they were for the last 20 years without progressing, but yeah that's the same thing

VinLieger wrote: »

Or have stayed exactly where they were for the last 20 years without progressing, but yeah that's the same thing

You can work damn hard in the same job for decades.

Wanderer78 wrote: »

It's a lot more complicated than that, capitalism does have some positive attributes, but there is something fundamentally wrong with neoliberalism

Yes, I'd agree, unrestrained capitalism in the mould of neoliberalism is just horrific and no doubt to blame for the inequality we face today.

VinLieger wrote: »

The point is they haven't worked hard for what they have if what they have is simply due to when they started in the company.

Why not? Length of service usually counts for something in most lines of work.

Anyone deliberately setting out to breach a picket in order to side with a multi millionaire company against the workers that they're sh*tting on is a low tramp.