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end of the road · 20-02-2017 11:48PM

eeguy wrote: »

If it's such an important issue then why aren't the rest of the staff out in solidarity?

i don't know, i presume it is because they aren't effected so wouldn't have a mandate to strike.

__Alex__ · 20-02-2017 11:49PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I know people whove not spoken to some of their neighbours in nearly 30 years (longer than im alive) over 1 crossing a picket

And I think that is bullying nonsense and it would make me more determined to not give in, tbh.

I take each strike as it comes and decide whether I support it. I don't blindly support all strikes. I don't understand the mentality of "Never cross a picket" nor do I care for the mob mentality it seems to be inspire.

Also, I'm from a small town and that bare minimum of service thing... yeah, that wouldn't be long-term and anyone who would keep that up would just come across like an oddball. Rightfully.

red ears · 20-02-2017 11:50PM

Permabear wrote: »

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When you are working the checkout in tesco's permabear and striking over your pay i won't walk past your picket line

Coffee Fulled Runner · 20-02-2017 11:56PM

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Coffee Fulled Runner · 20-02-2017 11:57PM

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Permabear · 21-02-2017 10:47AM

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Butters1979 · 21-02-2017 10:57AM

Havockk wrote: »

The point is that if inequality is not addressed, and there is no signs that the notion is even being taken seriously, (beyond lip service) then history shows us what the response is.

If all the money in the country was evenly distributed across the population we would be back where we started within a generation. Wealth inequality is not some social conspiracy. It is the natural result in the difference of ability, hard work and application of people. Sure some are born into it. But why wouldn't parents pass wealth down.

Those who think inequality needs to be 'addresed' tend to be he ones incapable or unwilling to create their own wealth, and by pure chance if they ever did would change their tune very quickly.

History has shown us that when the poor rise up to steal and plunder what is rightfully not theirs, they destroy their nations economy for generations. You can have a society of various different levels of wealth where the worst off are subsidised through welfare or you can have a society where everyone has an even share and everybody is dirt poor.

Butters1979 · 21-02-2017 10:59AM

end of the road wrote: »

i don't know, i presume it is because they aren't effected so wouldn't have a mandate to strike.

Or they're the ones who have to pick up the slack of the guys on 20 year old contracts who work less and get paid more than them and are not only not with the strikers but are actually complete against them.

Wanderer78 · 21-02-2017 11:10AM

Butters1979 wrote:

If all the money in the country was evenly distributed across the population we would be back where we started within a generation. Wealth inequality is not some social conspiracy. It is the natural result in the difference of ability, hard work and application of people. Sure some are born into it. But why wouldn't parents pass wealth down.

Butters1979 wrote:

Those who think inequality needs to be 'addresed' tend to be he ones incapable or unwilling to create their own wealth, and by pure chance if they ever did would change their tune very quickly.

Butters1979 wrote:

History has shown us that when the poor rise up to steal and plunder what is rightfully not theirs, they destroy their nations economy for generations. You can have a society of various different levels of wealth where the worst off are subsidised through welfare or you can have a society where everyone has an even share and everybody is dirt poor.

What an absolute load of tripe!

Some say, there are those that gain wealth by 'unearned income', I'd have to agree.

You maybe reading the wrong history books, as history shows, when the wealthy 'rise up', many economies are wrecked for generations. We are currently experiencing this! The term 'class warfare' is coming to mind while reading your drivel

Permabear · 21-02-2017 11:26AM

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Havockk · 21-02-2017 11:46AM

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People are stupid and thus deserve to be poor. Jesus. Not sure Ive seen anything that drips with this much entitlement since Milton Friedman walked and talked.

If it's not obvious by now, even by your own standards there that something is very wrong with the capitalist system that would accept a statistic like you just quoted then there is no convincing you.

By the way, it's an argument for a better education, free and for everyone.

eeguy · 21-02-2017 12:23PM

Havockk wrote: »

People are stupid and thus deserve to be poor. Jesus. Not sure Ive seen anything that drips with this much entitlement since Milton Friedman walked and talked.

If it's not obvious by now, even by your own standards there that something is very wrong with the capitalist system that would accept a statistic like you just quoted then there is no convincing you.

By the way, it's an argument for a better education, free and for everyone.

We have enough talk of nanny state, do you really want a system that stops people spending their money however they like?

Education is free in Ireland, and college is much cheaper than nearly all other countries. Or is it a conincidence that people who take the most advantage of this education are on average wealthier than those who don't.

Permabear · 21-02-2017 12:35PM

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Dial Hard · 21-02-2017 12:42PM

I work on a fully managed contract for a semi-state company, the direct employees of which are unionised and expected to vote for strike action over pensions in the coming weeks.

If I don't cross the picket line, I don't get paid. So, call me a scab all you like, I'll be coming to work. I can't afford not to be paid for a dispute that's not mine.

It's a horrible situation to be put in, tbh.

Havockk · 21-02-2017 01:00PM

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That's a really nice fallacious argument you have got there, accusing me of defending something I absolutely have not. How very Miltonesque.

The education system needs serious reform.

Permabear · 21-02-2017 01:30PM

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Havockk · 21-02-2017 01:35PM

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No bristling here friend

So, what exactly were you saying if not that? Why don't you take the opportunity to explain it for everyone?

Or is it another of those problems the invisible hand of the markets (LOL) would solve?

Permabear · 21-02-2017 01:45PM

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noodler · 21-02-2017 01:50PM

__Alex__ wrote: »

And I think that is bullying nonsense and it would make me more determined to not give in, tbh.

I take each strike as it comes and decide whether I support it. I don't blindly support all strikes. I don't understand the mentality of "Never cross a picket" nor do I care for the mob mentality it seems to be inspire.

Also, I'm from a small town and that bare minimum of service thing... yeah, that wouldn't be long-term and anyone who would keep that up would just come across like an oddball. Rightfully.

This is a very good point.

Automatic support for every strike seems incredibly naive.

Permabear · 21-02-2017 01:54PM

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Havockk · 21-02-2017 01:59PM

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You have just literally repeated the same thing over again. That just doesn't wash with me, I know exactly what you meant and I called you on it.

Shenshen · 21-02-2017 02:11PM

Havockk wrote: »

You have just literally repeated the same thing over again. That just doesn't wash with me, I know exactly what you meant and I called you on it.

Hang on, I just want to make sure I understand your position here : you don't believe that there are people who are more adept at earning, investing, and overall simply keeping money than others?

Permabear · 21-02-2017 02:13PM

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Havockk · 21-02-2017 02:20PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Hang on, I just want to make sure I understand your position here : you don't believe that there are people who are more adept at earning, investing, and overall simply keeping money than others?

I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm pointing the finger and asking why we are not talking about the root cause of such an issue and how we can change it. Let us not forget that response came in opposition to the question of wealth distribution.

The poster offered literally nothing other than to say 'it happens.' And given his ideological persuasions I'm not taking an insane leap of logic with the suggestion that a MORE laissez-faire approach with FEWER regulations is in any way going to help.

It is my sincere hope that this clears it up for you.

Havockk · 21-02-2017 02:22PM

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It's not that I blame you, it's your transparency I'm poking fun at.

knipex · 21-02-2017 02:27PM

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Not sure what schools you (or your kids) go to but doesn't sound anything like the school my kids go to.

Sure they study religion but in a far far broader sense than you appear to think. and yes they study Irish but they also study maths, English, geography, sciences, big focus ecology and environmental sciences, they do chess, social sciences etc..

I am far from a supported of compulsory Irish for the leaving cert (or even junior cert) but teaching Irish at primary level !! Not a problem. The more they are introduced to at an early age the happier I am.

ThisRegard · 21-02-2017 02:33PM

The strikers, so far, are't getting a lot of support from their colleagues. Out of 10 stores balloted on joining the strike, 6 voted against it, 4 voted for.

Permabear · 21-02-2017 02:34PM

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Shenshen · 21-02-2017 02:34PM

Havockk wrote: »

I'm not saying that doesn't happen. I'm pointing the finger and asking why we are not talking about the root cause of such an issue and how we can change it. Let us not forget that response came in opposition to the question of wealth distribution.

The poster offered literally nothing other than to say 'it happens.' And given his ideological persuasions I'm not taking an insane leap of logic with the suggestion that a MORE laissez-faire approach with FEWER regulations is in any way going to help.

It is my sincere hope that this clears it up for you.

Maybe it would help if you could tell us what the root cause is, in your opinion?

red ears · 21-02-2017 02:35PM

Butters1979 wrote: »

If all the money in the country was evenly distributed across the population we would be back where we started within a generation. Wealth inequality is not some social conspiracy. It is the natural result in the difference of ability, hard work and application of people. Sure some are born into it. But why wouldn't parents pass wealth down.

Those who think inequality needs to be 'addresed' tend to be he ones incapable or unwilling to create their own wealth, and by pure chance if they ever did would change their tune very quickly.

History has shown us that when the poor rise up to steal and plunder what is rightfully not theirs, they destroy their nations economy for generations. You can have a society of various different levels of wealth where the worst off are subsidised through welfare or you can have a society where everyone has an even share and everybody is dirt poor.

I don't think many really want that. Most believe in a meritocracy. But we'd like contracts to be honoured and a fair wage paid. I don't think 14 euros per hour in our society it too much. You couldn't live on much less without state help. It's not the states job to supplement low paid employment.

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