Who asked the British to 'protect' our airspace from the Russians or anyone else ?

10-02-2017 05:13PM

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

And the British and French were going to beat the Nazi's in no time and the war would be over by Xmas Funny enough Adolf invaded a few smaller countries such as Greece, Yugoslavia etc and it took a lot more than 48 hours. Sure that war criminal Churchill could have resurrected the Black and Tans to put some manners on Paddy , only problem was, with a British invasion the German's might have took the chance to give the British a good ar$e kicking again like they did in Norway.

Slightly alarming boner for Nazi war victories there.

cnocbui · 10-02-2017 05:16PM

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I don't believe air space should belong to any government, next governments will be picking what stars they want

Personally, I would rather not be a passenger on a plane and hear the pilot scream - 'Oh shíte!' over the PA.

DanielODonnell · 10-02-2017 05:27PM

cnocbui wrote: »

Personally, I would rather not be a passenger on a plane and hear the pilot scream - 'Oh shíte!' over the PA.

I have little knowledge of air traffic but i doubt international communication of airline routes would have to stop if the nation didn't own the air space. They would have responsibility of their air space but they shouldn't own it, a bit like hiring out a car, it is your responsibility but you don't own it.

darkpagandeath · 10-02-2017 05:29PM

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I have little knowledge of air traffic but i doubt international communication of airline routes would have to stop if the nation didn't own the air space. They would have responsibility of their air space but they shouldn't own it, a bit like hiring out a car, it is your responsibility but you don't own it.

And it's your responsibility to run with a transponder for safety.

cnocbui · 10-02-2017 05:36PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

And it's your responsibility to run with a transponder for safety.

Which is exactly what the Russian bombers have not been doing.

Stigura · 10-02-2017 05:41PM

All this talk about neutrality. How fey.

Only, was it not revealed, just in the last few months, how Hitler already had the particular regiment picked out, who were to take care of Eire. Can't remember now. 4th?

Either way, they were well known as a particularly nasty bunch of bastards. Probably make the black and tans look like f**king alter boys.

The remit was to strip Eire of every resource it had. Including labour. Ship the lot back to the Fatherland.

Yeah. I think it said they were estimated to steam up out of Cork and have the midlands sewn up in forty eight hours, or something? Sort of lads who'd view a man standing in his own doorway as an act of defiance ~ and would respond accordingly.

Churchill was aware of all this. He had the Brit forces stood by, ready to come down and meet them.

On hearing of the rape and raze policy having reached Offaly, I wonder if the men of Leitrim would have cried, " Filthy Brit Invasion! " and rushed out to meet the tanks from the north with their pitch forks?

Anyway .....

Oh. And I suspect it was an article on the BBC news website. Help yeselves

wotzgoingon · 10-02-2017 05:56PM

I'd say Russia was just testing their reaction time.

darkpagandeath · 10-02-2017 05:59PM

wotzgoingon wrote: »

I'd say Russia was just testing their reaction time.

They know NATO's reaction time. Nothing to do with that. It's to say the Russians have not gone away and sabre rattling. You can be damn sure if NATO ran planes near the Russian boarder with no Transponders there would be cry s of fowl and international this and that from the Russians.

AnGaelach · 10-02-2017 06:00PM

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Many other countries still maintained their neutrality such as Sweden, Switzerland, Portugal and Ireland of course etc

Sweden maintained a significant military, Spain and Portugal were dictatorships who hated Communism, and everyone in Switzerland has a gun.

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Oh so according to you Ireland didn't maintain it's independence in WW2 like the Swiss and Swedes

Yeah that's exactly what I said...

Grayson · 10-02-2017 06:04PM

The original article said this.

"At no time did these aircraft enter Irish sovereign airspace. The aircraft were operating in Irish controlled airspace which extends 256 nautical miles off the west coast of Ireland, at no time did the aircraft infringe Irish sovereign airspace which extends to 12 nautical miles off the Irish coast.

darkpagandeath · 10-02-2017 06:06PM

Grayson wrote: »

The original article said this.

12 miles is nothing in Airspace terms Especially with the danger for commercial airlines and not having a transponder on.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 06:16PM

Who protects our airspace??

Senator Ned O'Sullivan apparently

FF Senator says ‘seagulls have lost the run of themselves’

If we can't protect ourselves from seagulls, what chance have we against the Russkies??

Maybe we could get them to fight each other?

RobertKK · 10-02-2017 06:20PM

This thread lacks a...

I, for one, welcome our new British overlords.

Your Face · 10-02-2017 07:11PM

Will they want tea?

LordSutch · 10-02-2017 07:15PM

Stars and Stripes wrote: »

Who asked the British to 'protect' our airspace from the Russians or anyone else?

That's right, clear off RAF Typhoons and leave those pesky Russian bombers to us >>>

Tupolev Tu-160 Blackjack Long-Range Strategic Bomber Vs Pilatus PC-9N/ Cessna 172.

Johnboner · 10-02-2017 07:22PM

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

http://www.military.ie/en/air-corps/fleet/

Get in those prop planes and take out those multi-million top end bombers lads.

.
Leftover planes from World War 2?

endacl · 10-02-2017 07:27PM

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Its because we don't have sticks long enough to hit the Russian bombers all the way up der in de clouds.

Little known fact. The poc fada competition is a secret plan to train up an anti aircraft battalion of hi-explosive sliotar launching superculchies.

Google it. You won't find anything. It that secret. I've seen the plans though. It's happening. They'll be like Ireland's Avengers.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 07:30PM

To paraphrase Ali, I ain't got no beef with the Rooskies.
Britain feels threatened because it is a belligerent imperialist. If they have to waste money up there its not my problem.

buried · 10-02-2017 07:36PM

We should just buy some of those british aerospace jets they sold to the Saudi's. Although, seeing how those jets are only capable of firing rockets at starving women and children in the rubble of Yemen, they may not work too well against other flying, rocket firing, killing machines

LordSutch · 10-02-2017 07:37PM

endacl wrote: »

They'll be like Ireland's Avengers.

I say old boy, what's that you say?

http://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avengers-tv-series/series-4/images/crowd7b.jpg

bear1 · 10-02-2017 07:38PM

If our incompetent government can't be arsed getting the resources needed so we don't need to go hat in hand to the raf the moment a light breeze enters comes near our airspace then we have no choice but to rely on the brits.
We may as well admit we aren't neutral and ask nato to base aircraft at shannon or galway for these sort of cases.

TheMercenary · 10-02-2017 08:07PM

Always understood that the reason we didn't join NATO wasn't because of a principle of neutrality but because we wouldn't be in a military arrangement involving Britain because of their presence in the North. Also thought we offered a bi lateral military arrangement outside NATO with the USA but they wouldn't go for it.

Is this accurate?

darkpagandeath · 10-02-2017 08:10PM

TheMercenary wrote: »

Always understood that the reason we didn't join NATO wasn't because of a principle of neutrality but because we wouldn't be in a military arrangement involving Britain because of their presence in the North. Also thought we offered a bi lateral military arrangement outside NATO with the USA but they wouldn't go for it.

Is this accurate?

I would wager the cost would be more of the Issue. Military spending is not something most Irish people would support at any significant levels.

Mouseslayer17 · 10-02-2017 08:10PM

I wouldn't trust the Irish with a dog never mind flying high speed jets

10-02-2017 08:14PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I would wager the cost would be more of the Issue. Military spending is not something most Irish people would support at any significant levels.

Not just Irish, there are not many NATO countries achieving the 2% level of military spending

endacl · 10-02-2017 10:26PM

LordSutch wrote: »

I say old boy, what's that you say?

http://www.dissolute.com.au/the-avengers-tv-series/series-4/images/crowd7b.jpg

D'udderwans!!!

Capt'n Midnight · 10-02-2017 11:26PM

Johnboner wrote: »

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Leftover planes from World War 2?

No they are turbo props. Could easily catch up with any WWII piston engine.

Of course they'd be left standing by a Russian Tu-95 , a 1950's bomber with propellers.

Tu-160 are a different animal again, unlike the US B-1 they can put the foot down. Also the Russians are big into their cruise missiles so any attack would come from a long distance away.

Anyway this sums it up.
http://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2017/02/09/raf-jets-scramble-to-make-a-huge-fu%63king-deal-out-of-passing-russian-bombers/

jimboblep · 10-02-2017 11:38PM

Sure, the only thing the air corp could scramble is eggs

prinzeugen · 11-02-2017 12:09AM

The fact is these Russian planes are flying through busy trans-Atlantic flight paths with the transponders switched off.

Only military radar can pick them up. The collision avoidance warnings on passenger planes will not pick them up.

The only safe method of knowing exactly where they are is to send up jets to shadow them.

The jets can then relay the exact position back to ATC and keep civil traffic clear.

They are at the same crap in the North Pacific as well.

The same goes for any aircraft that does not make radio contact with ATC. There was a case last year of a brand new Airbus en-route to Brazil that failed to make ATC contact and was intercepted in Irish airspace by the RAF and escorted and forced to land in Prestwick in Scotland.

darkpagandeath · 11-02-2017 12:14AM

Out of interest, what long range military Radar capability does Ireland have to report they were only 12m away ? Would be very very expensive kit. And since Ireland has no interception capabilities seems odd. Do Ireland even have SAM's ? I'm not talking shoulder launchers.

Who asked the British to 'protect' our airspace from the Russians or anyone else ?

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