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Love And Marraiage...

  • 07-02-2017 06:27PM
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭


    The ex-husband of a woman who was awarded £230,000 on her divorce has been told by the Court of Appeal he must support her
    for life.


    Maria Mills, 51, was originally awarded £1,100 a month from 50-year-old Graham Mills after 13 years of marriage.


    Appeal Court judges also ruled he should pay her £1,441 per month as she is "unable to meet her basic needs".


    Mr Mills had argued he should not have to "pick up the tab" 15 years after the couple split.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-surrey-38891663

    Now maybe I am missing something here, but that ruling must be pretty galling for the poor Mr Mills!

    Seems a bit harsh that after 15 years of divorce he is told he has to pay even more.

    This working for a living is a mugs game...I need to find myself a rich partner and divorce them :pac:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Go together like a Horse and Carraiage...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,460 ✭✭✭Barry Badrinath


    This I tell you broooother


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    she looks like she ate the divorce settlement, the UK courts are the pits for that sort of thing, she blew her cash and now gets to come back for more.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    That's mortifying. Imagine the lack of self respect one must have to beg someone else to support her. Someone who has to be sued in order to be forced to look after her. God forbid you get a full time job and support yourself instead of using your ex as a meal ticket. Scarlet for her


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    Go together like a Horse and Carraiage...

    Damn man, beat me to it.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,393 ✭✭✭MonkieSocks


    This I tell you broooother

    You can't have one,You can't have one

    =(:-) Me? I know who I am. I'm a dude playing a dude disguised as another dude (-:)=



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    I think there's a young child involved though, which changes things a bit if that child is going to suffer as a result. That having been said your one comes across as a dope.n


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think there's a young child involved though, which changes things a bit if that child is going to suffer as a result. That having been said your one comes across as a dope.n

    No doubt there should be maintenance payments, but it is not clear if the child is now an adult or not as they did split 15 years ago.

    Just think it is pretty shocking that he has been told to increase the money he has to give her after all that time.

    The fact that she went from living in Weybridge to a luxury flat in Battersea is not the best way to manage money...especially if relying on handouts.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,516 ✭✭✭matrim


    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think there's a young child involved though, which changes things a bit if that child is going to suffer as a result. That having been said your one comes across as a dope.n

    The artical says they have "a now grown up son". Whatever about supporting her while she was raising the child. Now that he is grown up, any support from the ex-husband should stop.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,194 ✭✭✭foxy farmer


    "The ex-husband of a woman who was awarded £230,000 on her divorce has been told by the Court of Appeal he must support her for life".

    I'd put her on life support if she tried that with me.
    She's an auctioneer ffs. Son is at least 20 now. Only thing she should get is a toe in the hole.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,252 ✭✭✭FTA69


    matrim wrote: »
    The artical says they have "a now grown up son". Whatever about supporting her while she was raising the child. Now that he is grown up, any support from the ex-husband should stop.

    Didn't see that at all, that's a bloody joke. Sure what's stopping her blowing this on online gambling or whatever and coming back for two grand the next time?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,285 ✭✭✭Summer wind


    Imagine having to live with that millstone around your neck for the rest of your life. I'd shoot the lazy bitch.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭Sand


    Its the Court of Appeal - can he take it any further or is that it? A ludicrous judgement, and a clear sign the UK needs to reform its laws if nonsense like this is permitted. At some point that woman is no longer his problem - and if its not 15 fecking years after their original split then when?

    To be honest, in a scenario like that he could just liquidate all his assets quietly and just escape abroad with no forwarding address and enjoy his life elsewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,002 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    If the courts are going to do this complete nonsense then the provider of the maintenance should be given a veto on how any capital won in a settlement is invested or spent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    That's mortifying. Imagine the lack of self respect one must have to beg someone else to support her. Someone who has to be sued in order to be forced to look after her. God forbid you get a full time job and support yourself instead of using your ex as a meal ticket. Scarlet for her

    She didn't beg him, she took him to court and the judge agreed with her. I'd say her self-respect is fully intact. She has health problems and cant work full time. She made a shrewd business decision for once :D
    Other sources say he pays himself a 200k a year dividend, he's only forced to pay her 17k, he can well afford it, I wouldn't lose sleep over him.
    Don't hate the playa.......


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    currants wrote: »
    She didn't beg him, she took him to court and the judge agreed with her. I'd say her self-respect is fully intact. She has health problems and cant work full time. She made a shrewd business decision for once :D
    Other sources say he pays himself a 200k a year dividend, he's only forced to pay her 17k, he can well afford it, I wouldn't lose sleep over him.
    Don't hate the playa.......
    lol
    :D

    I have health problems too. Do you think if I sued him I could have him look after me? The fact she assumes she's entitled to his support after being divorced for 15 years is absolutely galling. There's absolutely nothing about her in this instance that's dignified. It is begging if he didn't offer. She is forcing him to take care of her needs because she's unwilling to take care of herself, as a grown adult.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    lol
    :D

    I have health problems too. Do you think if I sued him I could have him look after me? The fact she assumes she's entitled to his support after being divorced for 15 years is absolutely galling. There's absolutely nothing about her in this instance that's dignified. It is begging if he didn't offer. She is forcing him to take care of her needs because she's unwilling to take care of herself, as a grown adult.

    If you were married and had a child with him and could only work part time then he probably would. Suing is not begging money, I'd say its more like demanding the share she should have been given originally, that settlement gave her 230k cash and maintenance but no mention of pension entitlements etc.
    He was obviously happy for her to sacrifice her lucrative career to look after him and the child so why blame her now for what was a joint decision. Why should she live a drastically lesser lifestyle whilst he swans off with the benefits of a lifestyle she enabled him to build while they were married. Nobody's going to hire her as a part time estate agent in one of the busiest property markets in the world now so she's lost the opportunity to build her career.
    She obviously presented convincing evidence to the court that she is unable to work full time, would it be more dignified for her to be on benefits? Lots of women give up careers with the agreement of their husbands so they can look after the home and kids and make his life run smoothly. They do it as they are promised the husband will support them financially. If he decides to run off with another woman then those women are up the creek. Its an age old scenario.

    Plenty of wives have been told to get a job after divorce when all they will get is crappy low paid work like this woman. I don't think men realise the huge financial and personal sacrifice women make when they give up careers to run a house and mind children. Its disappointing to see a woman slating another woman for doing it and making the best of the poor outcome she got from that decision.
    Her biggest mistake was giving up work in the first place.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 21,723 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,386 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    currants wrote: »
    She made a shrewd business decision for once :D
    Marriage to some appears to be a career….
    he can well afford it,
    Ah well that's alright then. :rolleyes:
    currants wrote: »
    If you were married and had a child with him and could only work part time then he probably would. Suing is not begging money, I'd say its more like demanding the share she should have been given originally, that settlement gave her 230k cash and maintenance but no mention of pension entitlements etc.
    "Pension entitlements"? Are you having a laugh? Yep sounds like marriage = career alright. Though far better than any job as one can claim payments fifteen years after you leave(she divorced him) and are in another job(she remarried too). Handy career choice alright.
    He was obviously happy for her to sacrifice her lucrative career to look after him and the child so why blame her now for what was a joint decision. Why should she live a drastically lesser lifestyle whilst he swans off with the benefits of a lifestyle she enabled him to build while they were married. Nobody's going to hire her as a part time estate agent in one of the busiest property markets in the world now so she's lost the opportunity to build her career.
    Boo bloody hoo. She took all the liquid assets in the divorce, made "unwise" business decisions one after another trying to live in a manner she wanted to become accustomed to, then expects her ex husband to cough up again as an insurance policy? Get off the stage. Where's the current husband and why isn't he "supporting" her? Though why he should be expected to. There's me thinking equality of the sexes. Apparently not.
    She obviously presented convincing evidence to the court that she is unable to work full time, would it be more dignified for her to be on benefits?
    Dignified? What the hell has dignified got to do with it? She's a full grown adult. Though apparently not if one possesses internal gonads according to some. All the "rights" afforded adults, but with fewer responsibilities.
    They do it as they are promised the husband will support them financially. If he decides to run off with another woman then those women are up the creek. Its an age old scenario.
    Up the creek? She got all his liquid assets and then flushed the lot. Now she's looking for another payment?
    Plenty of wives have been told to get a job after divorce when all they will get is crappy low paid work like this woman.
    She had a large nest egg and monthly maintenance. She squandered the former. Clearly her "career" in property was not best suited to her.
    I don't think men realise the huge financial and personal sacrifice women make when they give up careers to run a house and mind children.
    You have got to be kidding me.
    Its disappointing to see a woman slating another woman for doing it
    Here we go. Can't go agin the code of the "sisterhood". God forbid women may think that women should act like and be treated like adults.

    And people wonder why grass roots movements like MGTOW and the red pill yahoos exist, or why a large chunk of so called "feminism" is starting to look like it's rotten at the core? With attitudes like the above I don't wonder.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    currants wrote: »
    If you were married and had a child with him and could only work part time then he probably would. Suing is not begging money, I'd say its more like demanding the share she should have been given originally, that settlement gave her 230k cash and maintenance but no mention of pension entitlements etc.
    He was obviously happy for her to sacrifice her lucrative career to look after him and the child so why blame her now for what was a joint decision. Why should she live a drastically lesser lifestyle whilst he swans off with the benefits of a lifestyle she enabled him to build while they were married. Nobody's going to hire her as a part time estate agent in one of the busiest property markets in the world now so she's lost the opportunity to build her career.
    She obviously presented convincing evidence to the court that she is unable to work full time, would it be more dignified for her to be on benefits? Lots of women give up careers with the agreement of their husbands so they can look after the home and kids and make his life run smoothly. They do it as they are promised the husband will support them financially. If he decides to run off with another woman then those women are up the creek. Its an age old scenario.

    Plenty of wives have been told to get a job after divorce when all they will get is crappy low paid work like this woman. I don't think men realise the huge financial and personal sacrifice women make when they give up careers to run a house and mind children. Its disappointing to see a woman slating another woman for doing it and making the best of the poor outcome she got from that decision.
    Her biggest mistake was giving up work in the first place.
    As a woman, being self sufficient is extremely important to me. Having respect for myself, and being independent are extremely important. My being a woman has nothing to do with the fact I find her expecting a man who has no obligation to her to take care of her.

    If her job let her go, and paid redundancy, can she/should she sue the company for morecwhen the money runs out? She's disgusting.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Marriage to some appears to be a career….
    Ah well that's alright then. :rolleyes:

    "Pension entitlements"? Are you having a laugh? Yep sounds like marriage = career alright. Though far better than any job as one can claim payments fifteen years after you leave(she divorced him) and are in another job(she remarried too). Handy career choice alright.

    While she was running the house and minding their child she was not able to accrue a pension for herself.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Boo bloody hoo. She took all the liquid assets in the divorce, made "unwise" business decisions one after another trying to live in a manner she wanted to become accustomed to, then expects her ex husband to cough up again as an insurance policy? Get off the stage. Where's the current husband and why isn't he "supporting" her? Though why he should be expected to. There's me thinking equality of the sexes. Apparently not.
    He agreed to give her all the liquid assets at that time in exchange for her giving up an interest in his business/pension, she could have held out for a lifelong stake in his profits 15 years ago but she didn't.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Dignified? What the hell has dignified got to do with it?
    I don't know, another poster mentioned dignity, ask them.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    She's a full grown adult. Though apparently not if one possesses internal gonads according to some. All the "rights" afforded adults, but with fewer responsibilities.
    I think anyone who stays home to keep house and mind children is fully au fait with adult responsibilities, mind numbingly so.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    Up the creek? She got all his liquid assets and then flushed the lot. Now she's looking for another payment?

    She had a large nest egg and monthly maintenance. She squandered the former. Clearly her "career" in property was not best suited to her. You have got to be kidding me. Here we go. Can't go agin the code of the "sisterhood". God forbid women may think that women should act like and be treated like adults.
    She made bad property investment decisions, like millions of people in these islands did in the last 15 years- did they all squander their money too? Are you against women supporting older vulnerable women who made bad career decisions in the expectation they would remain married for life. She's in her 50's and renting with no pension accrual. She's in a very precarious position, above the line for benefits, below the line to afford private rental in her retirement.
    Wibbs wrote: »
    And people wonder why grass roots movements like MGTOW and the red pill yahoos exist, or why a large chunk of so called "feminism" is starting to look like it's rotten at the core? With attitudes like the above I don't wonder.
    Yes its all women's fault that there are angry nutters in the world. Wanting to be recognised financially for earning potential lost by one partner and gained by another by one staying at home is not unreasonable. Men are free to seek maintenance from their ex wives if they decide to be stay at home Dads. But for some strange reason they aren't queuing up to do it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    Probably because they value their pride more than a monthly cheque from someone else's hard work?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    Probably because they value their pride more than a monthly cheque from someone else's hard work?

    In this woman's day somebody had to stay at home and keep house/mind kids, it was very common. Do you think women who give up work to take care of the family have no pride? Do they not work hard?


  • Posts: 13,839 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Is this woman's day? Her child is around twenty-ish. I have older kids and we both work d as was the norm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 23,646 ✭✭✭✭qo2cj1dsne8y4k


    currants wrote: »
    In this woman's day somebody had to stay at home and keep house/mind kids, it was very common. Do you think women who give up work to take care of the family have no pride? Do they not work hard?

    There's only so long you can flog a dead horse. That was 15 years ago. Didn't go back to college? Didn't retrain? She had one child, not an army. Seems she's done nothing to help herself short of filing law suits against men that have nothing to do with her and playing the poor mouth in court. Answer her better if she put that effort into finding a job


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    currants wrote: »
    In this woman's day somebody had to stay at home and keep house/mind kids, it was very common. Do you think women who give up work to take care of the family have no pride? Do they not work hard?

    That is what maintenance payments and divorce settlements are for.

    If you really believe that he should still have to pay her circa £1400 a month 15 years after their divorce and their child is now an adult you are deluded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,853 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    her argument was that she had health issues so couldn't work? how is that an argument? if she had never married she would have had the same issues so it looks like she was never on a path to be a successful woman about town. The UK courts seem to be more about keeping the woman in the style to which she has become accustomed and not realistically where she would have been anyway. Even in Ireland that goes on, a couple in my kids school got divorced and by all accounts she was never the ambitious type yet she now has the family home which is a nice 4 bed in Clonskeagh plus I don't think the father gets to see the kids much. On her own she would never be in that position in a million years, it was the husband who has his own successful business.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    Dave0301 wrote: »
    That is what maintenance payments and divorce settlements are for.

    If you really believe that he should still have to pay her circa £1400 a month 15 years after their divorce and their child is now an adult you are deluded.

    I believe she got a bad settlement in the first place and has seized an opportunity to make her life more comfortable. It doesn't make her a nice person but I don't believe she is lacking self-respect or undignified or disgusting or deserves to be beaten until she is on life support or shot.

    There is a massive, lifelong opportunity cost in terms of earning potential involved in giving up work to keep house for anyone of any gender. Most people enter into it without fully realising this and are left high and dry financially in the event of marriage/relationship breakdown.
    There are also unscrupulous people who marry wealthy people so they can divorce them and live off them. This woman certainly doesn't seem to fall into the gold digger category.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,939 ✭✭✭Dave0301


    currants wrote: »
    I believe she got a bad settlement in the first place and has seized an opportunity to make her life more comfortable. It doesn't make her a nice person but I don't believe she is lacking self-respect or undignified or disgusting or deserves to be beaten until she is on life support or shot.

    There is a massive, lifelong opportunity cost in terms of earning potential involved in giving up work to keep house for anyone of any gender. Most people enter into it without fully realising this and are left high and dry financially in the event of marriage/relationship breakdown.
    There are also unscrupulous people who marry wealthy people so they can divorce them and live off them. This woman certainly doesn't seem to fall into the gold digger category.

    Before she brought him back to court, she received a settlement of £230000 pounds and a monthly payment of £1100, which over 15 years works out as an average of £28533.33.

    The median average salary in 2015 in the UK was £27600. For the last 15 years she has been earning more from her divorce than a large proportion of other people in the UK, and this is before earnings from her own job and current husband are factored in.

    She has brought her ex husband of 15 years back to court to force more money out of him.

    Sounds like a gold digger to me.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 207 ✭✭currants


    He tried to stop her maintenance payments and pay her off for good then she sued for more money. That's how they ended up in court. She hasn't remarried or entered a new relationship, if she had he wouldn't have to pay her anything:

    https://www.moneyadviceservice.org.uk/en/articles/changes-that-may-affect-maintenance-payments

    17k a year is hardly gold digger territory :D She'd nearly get that here on social welfare plus rent allowance.


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