Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 MOD NOTE POST 1*

Johngoose · 02-02-2017 11:19PM

When is the team being announced?

brookville · 02-02-2017 11:56PM

Johngoose wrote: »

When is the team being announced?

For the last three matches it wasn't known till the day of the match when programmes were purchased so I'd be surprised if it changed

Hawkeye6 · 03-02-2017 01:22PM

brookville wrote: »

What kinda team would people like to see sunday?personally I'd like to see something similar to last weekend with tj and richie rested.The result isn't important so hopefully more fringe players will get game time

Seriously???

I personally just don’t understand this mentality. What has gone wrong with wanting to win EVERY game? As a previous poster said, all it will take is 16 games won in the whole year. What do players play the game for at this level? Then we have lads posting that TJ and Richie etc. should be rested. The success of the Kilkenny jersey especially in the last two decades has always been trying to put the best players possible and available into the jersey. Do you really think these players want to rest? Or do the supporters want us to go like soccer and put out lesser teams for certain competitions? Why enter at all if that is the case? We saw the result of that in the first round of the Walsh Cup in 2016. Try this player, try that lad. No player should pull on a Kilkenny jersey unless he has earned it. To do so belittles the jersey and what it stands for. If the best players are available, put them on the field. That’s what they want. Back in the day, if we played a game in a farmer’s field or someone’s yard, we wanted to win it, we didn’t play to lose. We didn’t go to the friend’s house to sit on a bench and watch the rest of the lads play. 16 county games in a year is very small (one every three weeks) for our top players or anyone interested in playing the game. Lovers of the game want to play at least every second or third day. Fortunately for Kilkenny supporters, the Kilkenny management team haven’t adopted the “soccer” mentality that it’s all about the one competition. Dublin footballers likewise.

Noddy33 · 03-02-2017 01:41PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

What kinda team would people like to see sunday?personally I'd like to see something similar to last weekend with tj and richie rested.The result isn't important so hopefully more fringe players will get game time

Seriously???

I personally just don’t understand this mentality. What has gone wrong with wanting to win EVERY game? As a previous poster said, all it will take is 16 games won in the whole year. What do players play the game for at this level? Then we have lads posting that TJ and Richie etc. should be rested. The success of the Kilkenny jersey especially in the last two decades has always been trying to put the best players possible and available into the jersey. Do you really think these players want to rest? Or do the supporters want us to go like soccer and put out lesser teams for certain competitions? Why enter at all if that is the case? We saw the result of that in the first round of the Walsh Cup in 2016. Try this player, try that lad. No player should pull on a Kilkenny jersey unless he has earned it. To do so belittles the jersey and what it stands for. If the best players are available, put them on the field. That’s what they want. Back in the day, if we played a game in a farmer’s field or someone’s yard, we wanted to win it, we didn’t play to lose. We didn’t go to the friend’s house to sit on a bench and watch the rest of the lads play. 16 county games in a year is very small (one every three weeks) for our top players or anyone interested in playing the game. Lovers of the game want to play at least every second or third day. Fortunately for Kilkenny supporters, the Kilkenny management team haven’t adopted the “soccer” mentality that it’s all about the one competition. Dublin footballers likewise.

I agree predominantly with most of what this Hawkeye is saying here. What made Kilkenny so good over the last few years is that once a lad got a jersey for a game he went out with the intention of doing his utmost best to make sure that jersey was his again for the next game and thats what helped us develop great strength in depth of the panel over the years. Thats what so good about Cody is that reputation stands for nothing with him......and as far as he is concerned you are only as good as your last game played and everything depends on performances in training.
However sometimes common sense does have to come into play. For instance I disagree completely with the inclusion of the colleges teams in the Walsh cup and I know it didnt happen this year but say if KK had to play one of the college teams I think it fair to say there would be no need to play a full strength available KK team as generally the gulf between the colleges team and county teams are huge and thats why there is so many one sided games. Get rid of the colleges teams from Walsh cup and let counties have full pick and then you should have more competive matches. There is absolutely nothing to be ever gained from full strength KK team going out and beating the likes of DIT/DCU by 30points

danganabu · 03-02-2017 01:46PM

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Seriously???

I personally just don’t understand this mentality. What has gone wrong with wanting to win EVERY game? As a previous poster said, all it will take is 16 games won in the whole year. What do players play the game for at this level? Then we have lads posting that TJ and Richie etc. should be rested. The success of the Kilkenny jersey especially in the last two decades has always been trying to put the best players possible and available into the jersey. Do you really think these players want to rest? Or do the supporters want us to go like soccer and put out lesser teams for certain competitions? Why enter at all if that is the case? We saw the result of that in the first round of the Walsh Cup in 2016. Try this player, try that lad. No player should pull on a Kilkenny jersey unless he has earned it. To do so belittles the jersey and what it stands for. If the best players are available, put them on the field. That’s what they want. Back in the day, if we played a game in a farmer’s field or someone’s yard, we wanted to win it, we didn’t play to lose. We didn’t go to the friend’s house to sit on a bench and watch the rest of the lads play. 16 county games in a year is very small (one every three weeks) for our top players or anyone interested in playing the game. Lovers of the game want to play at least every second or third day. Fortunately for Kilkenny supporters, the Kilkenny management team haven’t adopted the “soccer” mentality that it’s all about the one competition. Dublin footballers likewise.

Very admirable attitude, also very naive and short sighted but admirable none the less.

Way off the mark on Dublin as well, they had what was at best a third pick playing in the O'Byrne cup this year.

One of KK main problems last year was a lack of depth in their panel, how on earth is simply putting out your strongest 15 every game going to address that, and 16 intercounty Senior games is not a very small number, ask someone like Richie Power what a schedule like that would do to the body, and thats not even going into the knock on affect on the clubs.

Noddy33 · 03-02-2017 02:49PM

danganabu wrote: »

Hawkeye6 wrote: »

Seriously???

I personally just don’t understand this mentality. What has gone wrong with wanting to win EVERY game? As a previous poster said, all it will take is 16 games won in the whole year. What do players play the game for at this level? Then we have lads posting that TJ and Richie etc. should be rested. The success of the Kilkenny jersey especially in the last two decades has always been trying to put the best players possible and available into the jersey. Do you really think these players want to rest? Or do the supporters want us to go like soccer and put out lesser teams for certain competitions? Why enter at all if that is the case? We saw the result of that in the first round of the Walsh Cup in 2016. Try this player, try that lad. No player should pull on a Kilkenny jersey unless he has earned it. To do so belittles the jersey and what it stands for. If the best players are available, put them on the field. That’s what they want. Back in the day, if we played a game in a farmer’s field or someone’s yard, we wanted to win it, we didn’t play to lose. We didn’t go to the friend’s house to sit on a bench and watch the rest of the lads play. 16 county games in a year is very small (one every three weeks) for our top players or anyone interested in playing the game. Lovers of the game want to play at least every second or third day. Fortunately for Kilkenny supporters, the Kilkenny management team haven’t adopted the “soccer” mentality that it’s all about the one competition. Dublin footballers likewise.

Very admirable attitude, also very naive and short sighted but admirable none the less.

Way off the mark on Dublin as well, they had what was at best a third pick playing in the O'Byrne cup this year.

One of KK main problems last year was a lack of depth in their panel, how on earth is simply putting out your strongest 15 every game going to address that, and 16 intercounty Senior games is not a very small number, ask someone like Richie Power what a schedule like that would do to the body, and thats not even going into the knock on affect on the clubs.

Agreed it hard to develop strength in dept if you dont give lads a chance but thats where I think you cant say Cody doesnt give a lad a chance as he has always said do the biz in training and your chance will beckon.
When people talk about strongest 15 you automatically assume the likes of TJ and Richie. Would people be of the opinion that these lads should automatically start every game for kk irrelevant of their form? The reason I ask this is because I was of the opinion that TJ forms dipped quite substantially last year for what ever reason after a quite impressive league campaign. I know he has extreme high standards and on his day in my opinion is the most complete hurler in the country currently playing but was there a case last year where dropping TJ might have helped to perhaps just help get him his mojo back?Or was it a case TJ simply had to start every game because the mans capabilities mean if needed he can win you the game on his own
Just to clarify this is not a criticism of TJ one bit as I think he an absotlute fantastic hurler and this is more of a mis-management scenario in my opinion which I deem applicable to all the 'Automatic starters' on KK team

Michael Kavanagh · 03-02-2017 08:11PM

What is the story with John Walsh, see Liam Blanchfield was taken off yesterday he was down as he scored a goal also it looks like things didn't go well for james maher last sunday maybe more game time might bring him on.lads talk about Tj , Ritchie, Padraig Walsh more of them if they are picked for sunday will have hurled three matches in a week he scored five points for Maynooth.

Cornerback1 · 04-02-2017 01:22PM

My take on it is the Walsh Cup is the best opportunity to give lads on the fringes a start and see how they go.

Maybe the management had to go with stronger teams out of necessity in the Walsh Cup as there was lads injured and with uni's etc. In a few of the games, KK had only 3 and 4 subs and in one instance, Shane P had to come back on again after being taken off. In saying that V Antrim i think, KK had 8 of the AI Final team playing so that was a very strong team.

Times have changed slightly since the mid 2000's. That was a super era - never to be repeated by any county. Now it seems to be a bit of transition - i think lads should be, when they get a chance, well up for it and push on.

Re TJ - I think he should have been rested but probably wanted to play and number wise, needed to play. He had a long 2 seasons the year before last, with club and county.

randd1 · 05-02-2017 10:27AM

Cornerback1 wrote: »

My take on it is the Walsh Cup is the best opportunity to give lads on the fringes a start and see how they go.

Maybe the management had to go with stronger teams out of necessity in the Walsh Cup as there was lads injured and with uni's etc. In a few of the games, KK had only 3 and 4 subs and in one instance, Shane P had to come back on again after being taken off. In saying that V Antrim i think, KK had 8 of the AI Final team playing so that was a very strong team.

Times have changed slightly since the mid 2000's. That was a super era - never to be repeated by any county. Now it seems to be a bit of transition - i think lads should be, when they get a chance, well up for it and push on.

Re TJ - I think he should have been rested but probably wanted to play and number wise, needed to play. He had a long 2 seasons the year before last, with club and county.

If I had my way I'd scrap the Walsh Cup and Munster League altogether an expand the national league to a 12 team round robin group.

Between challenge matches, pre-season tournaments and actual league games you'd have pretty much the same amount of games anyway, except more competitive games to try players out in. More money for county boards as well.

11 rounds, 1st v 4th and 2nd v 3rd in league semi finals, 5th v 8th and 6th v 7th in league shield, and 9th v 12th an 11th v 12th in relegation playoffs. Semis and finals finish on the day, extra time then 1v1 penalties. Have the league, shield and relegation final on the same day in Thurles.

It would take 13 rounds to play it off altogether. If the first round started on the first weekend of February, ran for 5 weeks, had a weeks break, ran for 4 weeks, had a weeks break and ran for 4 weeks (SF's and finals included), you'd still only get to the second Sunday in May, replays being banned.

Think it would be far better for managers to try out players, teams would likely be settled coming into the championship, more games for supporters and more home games to boot, regular income for county boards, lower league teams get exposure to the top teams improving them, more money for counties like Wexford, Laois and Offaly to invest in underage, every team has at least one knockout game pre-championship, every big team will have faced each other that year and it would still end at a time of the year to facilitate a sensible county/club summer championship format.

Cornerback1 · 05-02-2017 03:13PM

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citykat · 05-02-2017 05:05PM

Good win for the cats considering they played most of the second half with 14 men after Lyng got a second yellow for something i don't believe the ref even saw. Joyce got motm snd deservedly so. Best match from him in a long time. Others to shine were Murphy (who was a late sub for R Reid), O Walsh, Richie, Lyng (first half) and John Joe. Galway should have won this but Flynn had a shocker on the frees and from open play. I counted at least 6 scoreable points missed.

Cornerback1 · 05-02-2017 05:20PM

A wins a win. I see 6 changes from programme team. Wonder why that was?

Richie Hogan on free duty. Good to see K Joyce getting MOTM. I'd say the ground etc. suits him moreso at this time of year. I think he's good but wish he'd lay the ball a bit quicker instead of taking on the man. Bit critical but he needs to work on pace over 5-10 yards.

blackcard · 05-02-2017 06:13PM

citykat wrote: »

Good win for the cats considering they played most of the second half with 14 men after Lyng got a second yellow for something i don't believe the ref even saw. Joyce got motm snd deservedly so. Best match from him in a long time. Others to shine were Murphy (who was a late sub for R Reid), O Walsh, Richie, Lyng (first half) and John Joe. Galway should have won this but Flynn had a shocker on the frees and from open play. I counted at least 6 scoreable points missed.

I thought Conor Fogarty did well for the half he was on. Paul Murphy was quiet at centre back and I see him returning to corner back where his experience is needed in the full back line. Robert Lennon is more a centre back than a full back at county level. Ollie Walsh deserves a run in midfield. I see TJ and Walter returning for next week along with Blanchfield and JonJo. Lester hurled a decent amount of ball today and will probably start.

citykat · 05-02-2017 07:15PM

blackcard wrote: »

I thought Conor Fogarty did well for the half he was on. Paul Murphy was quiet at centre back and I see him returning to corner back where his experience is needed in the full back line. Robert Lennon is more a centre back than a full back at county level. Ollie Walsh deserves a run in midfield. I see TJ and Walter returning for next week along with Blanchfield and JonJo. Lester hurled a decent amount of ball today and will probably start.

Yeah. Agree on Fogarty. Got a nice score reminiscent of his point against Waterford. In fairness to him, O'Shea did ok when he came on for him. Think TJ has picked up some kind of injury so may not see him for a few weeks.

dubcat51 · 05-02-2017 09:03PM

Anyone at the game give ratings on rhe players.also what sort of a team do u rhink we will field next week.

citykat · 05-02-2017 09:17PM

Murph 9
Walsh 6
Lennon 6
Joey 6
Murphy P 7
Joyce 9
Fogarty 8/O'Shea 7
Walsh 8
Lester 7
Lyng 6
Martin 6
Malone 5
Richie 9
JohnJoe 8
Leahy 5

Blanchfield 5
Morrissey/Murphy not on long enough to rate

dubcat51 · 05-02-2017 09:43PM

Thanks citykat.looks like ollie walsh as done best of the so called new players.would have hoped richie leahy would have pushed on.dont fancy paul murphy at centre back myself(im happy with joyce)looking forward to next weeks game as watetford have chopped and changed throughout the munster league.

citykat · 05-02-2017 10:03PM

dubcat51 wrote: »

Thanks citykat.looks like ollie walsh as done best of the so called new players.would have hoped richie leahy would have pushed on.dont fancy paul murphy at centre back myself(im happy with joyce)looking forward to next weeks game as watetford have chopped and changed throughout the munster league.

Murph went right half in the second half with Joyce centre. IMO there's plenty of time for Richie Leahy. He's only 20. Being part of the panel will bring him on no end. Richie's something of a late bloomer so if he stays on trend he could come through this year. It'll be interesting to see how Ollie goes this year. Along with Buckley he carried the Boro last year. Again he should benefit from a longer stretch with the panel this year.

JJs Left Hand · 05-02-2017 10:17PM

Being generous to the full back line in your ratings there. Thought all 3 were very poor.

Wouldn't worry about Leahy yet, this time of year will not suit him but if he's to progress then the ball into him needs to be in front rather than lobbing ball on top of him.

Worried about James Maher. I know Glennon is fast but he absolutely dusted Maher in the last few mins when Maher was just on the field. Having seen him in a couple of club games late last year as well I hope the knee injury hasn't blunted him.

dubcat51 · 05-02-2017 10:22PM

Would have liked to see john walsh and bolger (maybe we will during the league)my team for next week assuming no injuries.
1 murph
2p.murph
3m walsh
4joey
5 p walsh
6joyce
7.ciallian
8.lester
9.o.wlsh
10.tj
11.walter
12c.fennelly
13.r. leahy
14 jonjoe
15.richie

Subs
Blanch
K.kelly
E. Coady
R. Lennon
Pender
C o shea
A.murphy

blackcard · 05-02-2017 10:58PM

citykat wrote: »

Murph 9
Walsh 6
Lennon 6
Joey 6
Murphy P 7
Joyce 9
Fogarty 8/O'Shea 7
Walsh 8
Lester 7
Lyng 6
Martin 6
Malone 5
Richie 9
JohnJoe 8
Leahy 5

Blanchfield 5
Morrissey/Murphy not on long enough to rate

Think you are generous with your marks except for Blanchfield. Won a free which was scored, gave a great handpass for an Ollie Walsh point and battled well when kk had only 5 forwards

Fort Stranger · 05-02-2017 11:16PM

Anyone know when Ger Aylward will be back and also what is the story with Mick Fennelly, is he likely to play in the league?

Michael Kavanagh · 05-02-2017 11:19PM

Was not able to go to the match listening to the half time report on rte radio according to the reporter he was saying that Michael Malone was going very well he was one to look out for. As regards James Maher you wonder did he come back to soon last year playing club.

hurlingma · 05-02-2017 11:37PM

Taken this from facebook, Worth a read if your following the lads involvement in the Fitzgibbon

Irish Gaa Banter Page
Fitzgibbon Cup Round 2 Roundup
Thursday, February 02, 2017
(A) 19.00 ITC 0-18 v Mary I 0-18
(A) 14.00 GMIT 0-10 v DIT 3-15
(B) 14.00 UL 2-21 v NUIG 2-12
(B) 14.00 DCU St Pats 0-10 v CIT 3-15
(C) 19.00 Trinity 1-8 v WIT 4-15
(C) 19.00 DCU 0-15 v Limerick IT 2-12
(D) 14.00 UUJ 1-7 v Maynooth 4-23
(D) 15.00 UCD 1-5 v UCC 1-8

A
Mary I (+21): W D - DIT (A)
ITC (+12): W D - GMIT(A)
DIT (+2): L W - DIT (H)
GMIT (-35): L L - MaryI (H)
Mary I seem to have the top position in Group A wrapped up unless IT Carlow can overturn their 9 points deficit in points difference. It wouldn't be a surprise for IT Carlow to beat GMIT comprehensively, however we feel that Mary I will beat DIT by anything up to 10 points. IT Carlow would therefore need to beat GMIT by 20+ points to claim top spot. Mary I score 2-31 against GMIT so it is possible to do.

B
UL (+22): W W - DCU Pats (A)
NUIG (+2): W L - CIT (A)
CIT (+1): L W - NUIG (H)
DCU P (-29): L L - UL (H)
UL will claim top spot here in group B, light a candle for DCU St.Pats the night before this one. Group B is all about who can claim second place and take the second quarter final spot. It really is 50/50 between CIT and NUIG. CIT will have home advantage but NUIG wont take much notice of this. We can't pick a winner in this one and it is probably the match of round 3.

C
LIT (+29): W W - WIT (A)
WIT (+9): L W - LIT (H)
DCU (+4): W L - Trinity (A)
Trinity (-42): L L - DCU (H)
LIT will more than likely claim top spot in Group C bar WIT beating them and DCU hammering Trinity by 26 points. It is safe to say DCU will beat Trinity easily so if LIT beat WIT they will knock them out. It is possible that WIT beat LIT. LIT are defiantly strong favorites in this one. Every match is a knockout from here on in for WIT. If WIT beat LIT they also need DCU not to overtake them on points difference. Our predictions are LIT top the group and DCU get second place.

D
UCC (+21): W W - Maynooth (A)
Maynooth (+17): L W - UCC (H)
UCD: (+5): W L - UUJ (A)
UUJ: (-43): L L - UCC (H)
UCC will also claim top spot here with a win over Maynooth. Maynooth wont be any pushovers but we expect UCC to have too much firepower. UCD will also beat UUJ quiet easily and claim second spot.

IGBP Current Power Rankings R1 & R2
Overall: 1:LIT 2:UL 3:UCC/MaryI 4:Maynooth 5:IT Carlow
Offence:1:UL 2:MaryI 3:LIT 4:IT Carlow 5 Maynooth
Defence: 1:UCC 2:LIT 3:UCD 4:WIT 5:DCU

WoodenSpoon Race
The Current leaders of the wooden spoon race are UUJ followed closely by Trinity college then in third place is GMIT.

IGBP Predicted QF's 14th Feb
1. (1D) UCC vs DCU (C2)
2. (C1) LIT vs UCD (D2)
3. (B1) UL vs IT Carlow (A2)
4. (A1) MIC vs NUIG/CIT (B2)

Irish Gaa Banter Page Snapchat: igbp32

citykat · 05-02-2017 11:39PM

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Being generous to the full back line in your ratings there. Thought all 3 were very poor.

Wouldn't worry about Leahy yet, this time of year will not suit him but if he's to progress then the ball into him needs to be in front rather than lobbing ball on top of him.

Worried about James Maher. I know Glennon is fast but he absolutely dusted Maher in the last few mins when Maher was just on the field. Having seen him in a couple of club games late last year as well I hope the knee injury hasn't blunted him.

Full back line were under pressure in the second half. I put that down to the amount of ball coming from the Galway backs who had a numerical advantage.

unrealtime · 05-02-2017 11:51PM

I think Mick Fennelly will make it back. Also thiink Maher will be a star. Wonder about Ger Aylward though.

mullinr2 · 05-02-2017 11:52PM

Any word on Ger Alyward lads? His name hasn't been mentioned in a while. Will he feature during the league? Great player to have to come back - fast and tenacious little bugger.

Fort Stranger · 06-02-2017 12:00AM

Are there any lads coming through as an option for the full back line?

JJs Left Hand · 06-02-2017 12:09AM

Michael Walsh is 100% not the answer at full back anyway I can tell you that much.

Michael Kavanagh · 06-02-2017 01:16AM

unrealtime wrote: »

I think Mick Fennelly will make it back. Also thiink Maher will be a star. Wonder about Ger Aylward though.

I be very worried about the three of them hopefully I am wrong.

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