Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

josip · 02-02-2017 03:12PM

I think a substantial percentage of the demographic that would be suited to an EV, less than 100km trips/day, don't need a lot of boot space, etc, are elderly drivers who would be more hesitant about trying a new, relatively unproven technology than younger drivers.
Not all, and there are probably some elderly EV drivers on here, but older people are statistically more reluctant to change than younger people.

They know how to drive a manual ICE. They know how to refuel. They would have to have a compelling argument to switch and unless the sales person was actively pushing an EV it's unlikely to happen.

If the state gave a €1,000 commission to the sales people for every new EV they sold, we'd have half the national fleet converted to EV within 5 years.

bk · 02-02-2017 03:14PM

KCross wrote: »

I've done the trip and it takes less than 3.5hrs and I was just making a joke about it here.

Ah, we are up to 3.5 hours now!

It was originally 3 hours, then 3.25, now 3.5!

Even 3.5 hours is still at least an hour more then for instance my sister does every weekend. Telling her it is going to take even an hour longer, or that she has to rent a different car every weekend and she will rightfully laugh you out of the place.

And BTW it absolutely did take another poster 5 hours to do the journey in their leaf.

KCross · 02-02-2017 03:16PM

bk wrote: »

Ah, we are up to 3.5 hours now!

It was originally 3 hours, then 3.25, now 3.5!

Even 3.5 hours is still at least an hour more then for instance my sister does every weekend. Telling her it is going to take even an hour longer, or that she has to rent a different car every weekend and she will rightfully laugh you out of the place.

And BTW it absolutely did take another poster 5 hours to do the journey in their leaf.

You're not reading my posts bk!
I said "less than 3.5hrs" in the other thread and thats what I said here as well.

And I know the other person took 5hrs... they drove at 80kmh ona motorway!!!... come on, give me a break! :rolleyes:

Lets leave that wound heal now!

Water John · 02-02-2017 03:28PM

I know some here don't give much heed to the environmental benefits of EV, but this piece from Imperial College shows that a combination of solar and EV technologies could halt growth in fossil fuels in 3 years.
That's an incentive to aim for, sorry DT.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2017/feb/02/electric-cars-cheap-solar-power-halt-fossil-fuel-growth-2020

listermint · 02-02-2017 03:49PM

KCross wrote: »

Not at all. Just to be clear, I drive an EV. Getting the impression you think Im anti EV.... nothing of the sort.

Im just trying to explain why I, and others, believe EV uptake has been abysmally slow.

If it is was a pure education thing the government would have put a few ads on the TV..... its way too simplistic to say educate the population and we'll have mass EV adoption.

I agree that loads of city dwellers should be driving EV right now and education would fix some of those but thats not going to give you mass adoption.

Its a combination of all the things I listed.... range, government policy, education etc etc.

No I fully understand your pro.

I am just picking holes in the range argument for the majority of road users.

I firmly believe it's ignorance apathy and bad sales. I think it would swiftly change with government policy literally over night you'd have sales experts in all the dealerships.

Water John · 02-02-2017 03:55PM

No, I believe the 200 mile/ 300 km range is important in both reality and perception.
It will kill range as an anxiety, whether real or imagined.

Soarer · 02-02-2017 05:23PM

So how much of the last 10 pages has actually been about the Ioniq?

KCross · 02-02-2017 05:28PM

If we only had a moderator... Oh wait!

listermint · 02-02-2017 05:35PM

Tis a fine looking vehicle ðŸ˜€

Water John · 02-02-2017 05:38PM

We're taking and talking the scenic route.

Soarer · 02-02-2017 05:45PM

Water John wrote: »

We're taking and talking the scenic route.

Yeah, but any non-EV owner, interested in the Ioniq, isn't gonna be helped with all the range comparisons in here.

Why not start another thread about that, and leave this thread to the Ioniq?

cros13 · 02-02-2017 10:09PM

KCross wrote: »

If we only had a moderator... Oh wait!

I was getting to it....

Back on track now lads....

What have people seen the Ioniq advertised for in the dealerships?
I was dismayed to see a few places with Ioniq EVs on the forecourt with the pre-credit pre-grant price on the window.
It's like they're deliberately trying to sink it.

unkel · 02-02-2017 10:33PM

Yeah it's ridiculous. Plenty of dealers are clowns, but there are some good ones too.

650Ginge · 03-02-2017 11:14AM

unkel wrote: »

Yeah it's ridiculous. Plenty of dealers are clowns, but there are some good ones too.

Let's name a good one. Because my local one is the clown type.

peposhi · 03-02-2017 11:18AM

650Ginge wrote: »

Let's name a good one. Because my local one is the clown type.

Brian Doolan in Fitzpatrick's Hyundai Kildare - looked after my extended test drive. No messing, puffing - all straight forward. He actually got the test car from Naas and drove it to Kildare for me.

positron · 03-02-2017 11:31AM

Hyundai dealer in Drogheda have an Ioniq but it's not registered, so they can't provide extended test drives. Same story with the Hyundai dealer in Swords. It's a bit frustrating.

axe2grind · 03-02-2017 11:35AM

Dealer in Rathdrum seem reasonable. One of the employees uses it for his commute so he is personally building up knowledge of the car and is educating the rest of the staff and the car is available for extended test drives. I got offered 24hr test (using my own insurance) but declined as the car does not suit my needs.

unkel · 03-02-2017 12:21PM

positron wrote: »

Hyundai dealer in Drogheda have an Ioniq but it's not registered, so they can't provide extended test drives. Same story with the Hyundai dealer in Swords. It's a bit frustrating.

EP Mooney (Longmile Road), the biggest Hyundai dealer in Ireland, does have an Ioniq EV registered that you can book for 24 hour test drives.

unkel · 03-02-2017 12:28PM

650Ginge wrote: »

Let's name a good one. Because my local one is the clown type.

Depends on what you want: the best info / advice, booking a 24 test drive or if you are ready to buy the car and just want the best deal you can get from a no-nonsense salesman?

macnab · 03-02-2017 12:28PM

The price should be around €28,500 after grant and VRT deductions. But i have seen dealers advertise the Ioniq at €26,394 including a €4000 scrappage allowance?? that puts the post reduction price back up to €30,394. Am i correct in thinking that the Ioniq should qualify for a €5000 grant and €2500 VRT reduction?

unkel · 03-02-2017 12:30PM

No. The RRP after all subsidies and the €4k Hyundai scrappage offer is €24,495 (see Hyundai.ie)

Plus delivery charges and optional extras.

Soarer · 03-02-2017 12:55PM

macnab wrote: »

The price should be around €28,500 after grant and VRT deductions. But i have seen dealers advertise the Ioniq at €26,394 including a €4000 scrappage allowance?? that puts the post reduction price back up to €30,394. Am i correct in thinking that the Ioniq should qualify for a €5000 grant and €2500 VRT reduction?

That advertised price is probably including delivery and metallic paint. Which is fair enough really, 'cause there's nothing more annoying than seeing a price advertised, and there's an additional €2k that needs to be paid before you get the car!

unkel · 03-02-2017 02:21PM

Soarer wrote: »

there's nothing more annoying than seeing a price advertised, and there's an additional €2k that needs to be paid before you get the car!

But you can negotiate a lot of that to go away

goz83 · 03-02-2017 03:03PM

unkel wrote: »

No. The RRP after all subsidies and the €4k Hyundai scrappage offer is €24,495 (see Hyundai.ie)

Plus delivery charges and optional extras.

What's the best price one might get if handing over a 10-15 year old car (with tax, nct and driving) and buying the Ioniq straight out?

Or failing that...the best deal (extras) one might expect to get at the €24,495 price point after handing in an old car?

I'm used to haggling on second hand yokes but have never bought a brand new car, so very curious.

grogi · 03-02-2017 04:41PM

goz83 wrote: »

What's the best price one might get if handing over a 10-15 year old car (with tax, nct and driving) and buying the Ioniq straight out?

Or failing that...the best deal (extras) one might expect to get at the €24,495 price point after handing in an old car?

I'm used to haggling on second hand yokes but have never bought a brand new car, so very curious.

€24,495.

josip · 03-02-2017 04:44PM

goz83 wrote: »

What's the best price one might get if handing over a 10-15 year old car (with tax, nct and driving) and buying the Ioniq straight out?

Or failing that...the best deal (extras) one might expect to get at the €24,495 price point after handing in an old car?

I'm used to haggling on second hand yokes but have never bought a brand new car, so very curious.

Make sure you get the car mats and a full tank thrown in.

goz83 · 03-02-2017 05:27PM

grogi wrote: »

€24,495.

Thanks, but did you have to go into such detail?

josip wrote: »

Make sure you get the car mats and a full tank thrown in.

Full tank of booze in the boot. Got it

unkel · 03-02-2017 05:28PM

josip wrote: »

and a full tank thrown in.

That's what I told people after I bought the car

unkel · 03-02-2017 05:31PM

goz83 wrote: »

What's the best price one might get if handing over a 10-15 year old car (with tax, nct and driving) and buying the Ioniq straight out?

Or failing that...the best deal (extras) one might expect to get at the €24,495 price point after handing in an old car?

You'll get the €4k scrappage for your car. So then you pay €24,495 plus delivery charges + extras minus what you can negotiate off. Because of the €4000 scrappage, there obviously isn't as much room to negotiate anymore as with other cars, so we are not talking thousands here.

cros13 · 03-02-2017 05:42PM

They have some weathertech style fitting bootliners and mats available:

http://accessories.hyundai.co.uk/ioniq-boot-liner

Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

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