Hyundai Ioniq 28kWh

It's lack of knowledge and fear/inertia of change are the key factors for an individual not considering an EV. Just what always applies to an alternative or new option to anything.
I personally find that inertia to change difficult to understand, but I am a minority. That is how people behave.
If they got clear leadership, they will then openly consider change. they may decide, not yet, for a range of reasons.
But getting people as far as considering an EV is the challenge. Not much use deriding humans for their inherent behaviour.

I'd be thinking more in terms of a national discussion.
Hybrids have been accepted. Personally don't much see the value of them.
The Ioniq will really help, as its a normal type car with an EV option.
This will help normalise the choice.

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I have a had time trying to convince people at work, the interest just isn't there.

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All people want is the diesel to get from A to B.

Ah I'm sure you'll get one soon enough 😉

Quick Clarification/Question: I assume as I have not heard it mentioned that Hyundai have not gone down the road of battery leasing? I'm sure I would have come across mention of it already but just wanted to make sure? Hopefully, this practice is on the way out.

Battery lease might have sounded like a good plan years ago when people were weary about the lifetime of batteries. But they never made much sense when the monthly rental wiped out the entire saving on fuel for a lot of people. And the selling prices hadn't come down anywhere near enough to compensate for that. Battery lease should have taken £5k off the UK prices. It didn't. And an 8-year warranty on the battery (as I believe the Leaf had from the start) was plenty to ease peoples minds.

I'd say the practice is well on the way out. Although I have to snigger at some dealers trying to sell '12 Fluence with a €90 a month battery lease (and no fast charging) for €7k

And to add insult to Fluence injury

At the end of 2014, many drivers of the Fluence Z.E. started to suffer from range issues, the cars maximum range is 70–90 km. The local service replace batteries until March 2016 but this batteries drop from 22kwh to 16kwh in about 4 months. At April 2016, Renault stop replacing batteries under warranty

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The Ioniq can charge at 60-65 Kw all the way to about 82% then about 20 Kw until 90 odd %.

I'm not sure 300 Kms range is enough to persuade Irish people to change, you'd be surprised the amount of people where I live who insist the Coal is still the best , cheapest form of heating, the dirtiest smokey coal, won't even burn smokeless. These people will never change........

Then there's the fact that we need car manufacturers to take the finger out and electrify their entire fleet !

Are you thinking about changing the Leaf ? :-)

Hand on heart the IoniQ was the first car I returned and regretted for not been able to drive it home straight away... I did say to the salesman that the Ioniq is genuinely the best EV currently on the market considering the whole package.
I was given 3 payment options but none of them fits my budget, so unfortunately I could not switch from my Leaf to Hyundai. The GMFV is very low, under 6k, I was offered only €11500 for my Leaf and with 4k deposit the monthly payment was nearly twice what I currently pay for my Leaf. So I will stick with it, quiet possible run it to the ground and replace the ICE with a second EV when the time/money/offer is right ...

Again, have to give yo Hyundai - they have on sale a great car.

I get the feel that Zoe isn't really comparable to Ioniq or Leaf.

Bjorn posted this new video of his long winter test of Zoe (older version) and he didn't have many nice things to say about it by the end of it all. I got the vibe that it's strictly a city car.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SN_CWtjPGNo

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Didnt others say that that is roughly the GMFV being offered for the Leaf now as well so its not just a Leaf thing?

They are trying to make sure that people have equity after the 3yrs but the obvious downside is that the monthly payment goes up accordingly.

As a matter of interest... what year and model is your Leaf.... just want to understand how bad the €11500 offer was?

151, KCross

The funny thing is the salesman went on carzone.ie right in front of me, checked average sale price there, went to his boss and came back with the €11.5k figure. And clearly said later on there's nothing he could do on the Leaf price.
I did not take is as an insult as others would though - I totally understand that the dealer and the bank always win, no matter what.
A couple of months back when I was charging at Belgard Nissan I asked the EV sales guy how much would he offer for my Leaf. He said he would not be interested in it so early in the PCP (20 months back then) and threw a €12k figure just to have something to say...
In other words - depreciation is high but who cares my son can we'll have the Leaf for his 18th birthday - it would be a classic car by then LOL

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I can't really watch that video but I did see a temp of -18 Deg C. Hardly a good indicator for an Irish climate.

I think anyone who likes a small car and is looking to change to EV then the 40 Kwh Zoe is worth serious consideration. The Electric motor in the Zoe even though not particularly powerful is leaps and bounds better than any engine you'd find in an Irish Clio for instance.

40 Kwh, 200-280 kms range that's hard driving to easy. Somewhere like 240-250 kms for normal driving, that's not bad at all. Then 22 Kw charging at SCPs.

Did they drop the 43kW charger that was available on the first revision? That seemed like a cool feature and would nearly eliminate the need to join the madness which seems to ensue at fast chargers...
Can a zoe old or new use DC chargers?
I see the UK is dropping the battery lease only option so hopefully they'll follow suit here...

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Yes you're correct, if the numbers don't add up it makes a lot more sense to keep the Leaf.

Yes the Ioniq is a great car but lets not forget the 40 Kwh Zoe coming soon. It will make it the longest range affordable EV in Ireland.

I was reading on speakev that there isn'ta lot in it regarding the range of the 28 kwh Ioniq and 40 kwh Zoe. It seems that despite the Zoe having a 40% larger battery the Ioniq is nearly 40% more efficient/aerodynamic so range is similar in both cars.

https://speakev.com/threads/hyundai-ioniq.14982/page-16