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Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

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  • #602
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 1,690 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian? wrote: »
    You linked a post inviting people to move to Russia, am I missing something?

    Here you go, post 4266.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057580682&page=285


  • #603
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Widdershins wrote: »
    You don't speak for me so don't pretend you do. You are a liar. I made no such comment about holiday destinations.

    You may not have wished them dead in so many words, but you don't believe the Irish navy should help rescue them.


  • #604
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    bubblypop wrote: »
    You may not have wished them dead in so many words, but you don't believe the Irish navy should help rescue them.

    I sincerely hope you are not a detective garda.


  • #605
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Here you go, post 4266.

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057580682&page=285

    Sorry. Still not seeing it.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #606
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Brian? wrote: »
    Sorry. Still not seeing it.

    I've a sneaking suspicion you dont want to see it.

    Copy and pasted for you.

    Post #4266 Courtesy of Wibbs.

    One major - and I admit coming at things sideways - issue I have with "multiculturalism", specifically immigration, is population growth. The buzzword tends to be towards growth of all types including labour, but that's set against a major sea change in human history coming down the pipe.

    Namely; automation. The working population is going to shrink and the usual responses of "new jobs will replace the old like always happened before" doesn't hold water to near the degree it used to. This isn't a shift of labour from one set of industries to another, it's a shift in the need for labour itself across the board. EG unless there is a major setback to current developments transport jobs will practically disappear in the next two decades.

    And it's not just in "low skilled" manual type jobs. With the current technology available to buy today a huge chunk of admin and other cubicle type jobs could be replaced with computer systems. Public service admin jobs could be eviscerated. Look at Wall St. The trading floor is now more a set for TV broadcasts. Fewer and fewer law firms in the US are bringing in interns as more and more of the case files etc are on easily accessible and searchable databases and the list is growing. Jobs are becoming more and more specialised and training more prolonged and far harder to make a switch from one speciality to another.

    In short what a nation needs is not more population growth, but less. We certainly don't need to be bringing in more unskilled labour into a market that will not need them to greater and greater degrees. I will lay bets now that future wars, economic or actual, will be fought over two things; climate and population.


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  • #607
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Brian? wrote: »
    Actually taking in refugees can be altruistic and have the knock on effect of benefitting the host country. I've said this all along. An influx of working age migrants will be good for Germany in the long run, they have an aging workforce and need the workers. They do need to manage the social consequences though.

    Just incase your unsure,its a response to this post.


  • #608
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    gitzy16v wrote: »
    I've a sneaking suspicion you dont want to see it.

    Ah give over. The link didn't direct properly in the touch site for me.

    Copy and pasted for you.

    Post #4266 Courtesy of Wibbs.

    One major - and I admit coming at things sideways - issue I have with "multiculturalism", specifically immigration, is population growth. The buzzword tends to be towards growth of all types including labour, but that's set against a major sea change in human history coming down the pipe.

    Namely; automation. The working population is going to shrink and the usual responses of "new jobs will replace the old like always happened before" doesn't hold water to near the degree it used to. This isn't a shift of labour from one set of industries to another, it's a shift in the need for labour itself across the board. EG unless there is a major setback to current developments transport jobs will practically disappear in the next two decades.

    And it's not just in "low skilled" manual type jobs. With the current technology available to buy today a huge chunk of admin and other cubicle type jobs could be replaced with computer systems. Public service admin jobs could be eviscerated. Look at Wall St. The trading floor is now more a set for TV broadcasts. Fewer and fewer law firms in the US are bringing in interns as more and more of the case files etc are on easily accessible and searchable databases and the list is growing. Jobs are becoming more and more specialised and training more prolonged and far harder to make a switch from one speciality to another.

    In short what a nation needs is not more population growth, but less. We certainly don't need to be bringing in more unskilled labour into a market that will not need them to greater and greater degrees. I will lay bets now that future wars, economic or actual, will be fought over two things; climate and population.

    I'm unconvinced. I work in a highly automated industry, we struggle to hire enough people every year. It may sound flippant, but robots replacing people is only a problem if you aren't trained to repair robots.

    Ask any multinational in Ireland and they'll tell you how difficult it is to hire the right people. We've hired from the UK in a big way the last 3-4 years. The solution to the lack of jobs for the unskilled is to give them skills. Not worry about the creation of unskilled jobs.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #609
    Mary63
    Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Mary63


    Whatever about the influx of migrants/reugess being good in the long run for Germany it certainly hasnt been good in the short run for Germany.

    It most definitely has not been good in the long term for poor old Brussels and the problem is insolvable there.France is not as bad as Brussels but has a huge problem too as has the Netherlands.

    How can you keep re iterating this nonsense Brian, you really are deluded.

    Widdershins didn't say anything about his holiday plans being affected.I did, I have no desire to spend money travelling somewhere to be annoyed by hordes of North Africans fresh from the Irish navy boat.Im not even comfortable travelling to Germany now when I see the timeline of the murderer who drove the bus into a Christmas market, the German authorities failed their people very badly in this instance and God knows how many more would be bombers are similarly travelling through Europe.Im thinking of going on holidays to Budaperst this year, the Hungarian Prime Minister has my full approval, say it as it is and send these people for asylum in Saudi or Turkey or any Muslim country where their backward ways will be accommodated.


  • #610
    gitzy16v
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,093 ✭✭✭gitzy16v


    Brian? wrote: »
    Ah give over. The link didn't direct properly in the touch site for me.

    Apologies,I didnt see your previous post about being on the mobile site.


  • #611
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mary63 wrote: »
    Whatever about the influx of migrants/reugess being good in the long run for Germany it certainly hasnt been good in the short run for Germany.

    It most definitely has not been good in the long term for poor old Brussels and the problem is insolvable there.France is not as bad as Brussels but has a huge problem too as has the Netherlands.

    How can you keep re iterating this nonsense Brian, you really are deluded.

    It's interesting that you feel I'm deluded when you think every refugee should be sent back where they come from as they are potential rapists.
    Widdershins didn't say anything about his holiday plans being affected.I did, I have no desire to spend money travelling somewhere to be annoyed by hordes of North Africans fresh from the Irish navy boat.Im not even comfortable travelling to Germany now when I see the timeline of the murderer who drove the bus into a Christmas market, the German authorities failed their people very badly in this instance and God knows how many more would be bombers are similarly travelling through Europe.Im thinking of going on holidays to Budaperst this year, the Hungarian Prime Minister has my full approval, say it as it is and send these people for asylum in Saudi or Turkey or any Muslim country where their backward ways will be accommodated.

    I get you. You want to send them back where they came from. You've said it a hundred times now. Better lock your door. The boogeyman will be around soon to steal your daughters.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #612
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Brian? wrote: »
    I'll be honest horse, I see a lot of posters on here who don't seem to want to help at all. Not you, but others.

    I see a few who probably don't want to help, all they care about is virtue signalling, to the extent that one of them accused me of wanting refugees dead so they don't spoil my non existent holidays.

    So maybe a bit less of the assumptions and more communication and trying to see each others viewpoints would go a long way.


  • #613
    Mary63
    Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Mary63


    Its important for enough of us to keep saying it so we don't end up with trucks being driven into us on O Connell street.I have had enough of the reassuring nonsense about our experiences being different to everyone else who allows large scale immigration.Everytime I hear this nonsense I am going to mention Paris, Berlin, Brussels, Sweden,The netherlands and eventually sense will prevail.


  • #614
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mary63 wrote: »
    Its important for enough of us to keep saying it so we don't end up with trucks being driven into us on O Connell street.I have had enough of the reassuring nonsense about our experiences being different to everyone else who allows large scale immigration.Everytime I hear this nonsense I am going to mention Paris, Berlin, Brussels, Sweden,The netherlands and eventually sense will prevail.

    I'm not even sure what nonsense you're sick of hearing. You really need to start using the quote function.

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



  • #615
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,297 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Trump has the right idea, if they don't have a passport they don't get in.

    Of course the reason these guys in Calais don't carry any papers is because they can't be deported if it's not known where they came from.

    Zappone should make herself available to be interviewed by Ian O Doherty and not some biased leftie who won't ask any of the questions ordinary Irish people want answered.


  • #616
    jmayo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,224 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    I have seen a fair few comments about should stop the Irish Navy pickup service and of course then the inference is such proponents are murdering ***tards who want to see people drown.

    I do have to ask the proponents of continuing the status quo as to how they envisage things are going to pan out.

    Some reports have actually stated that there are many millions of people in Africa who want to come to Europe.
    And lets be honest here the vast vast majority of those coming across the Med from Libya are Africans and not Syrians.

    Do people think that the Libyan warlords making a packet from this racket are going to halt their cashcow ?

    Do people think that Europe can seriously just keep taking in people with little education, with little practical modern work experience, with a vastly different cultual background thus posing integration issues ?

    European countries already have huge social issues with existing immigrants with similar cultural backgrounds and some European states have already high unemployment with the prospect of increasing unemployment due to globalisation and automation.

    What the feck is Europe going to do with all these people and how can Europe afford them ?

    It is all well and good to say take them all, rescue them all, but where does it end ?
    Do we sink our own states just so we can feel much better about ourselves ?

    BTW I favour the Austrlian approach as it disincentivises the leaky decrepit boats ever leaving the shores of Libya in the first place.

    I am not allowed discuss …



  • #617
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 19,178 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    jmayo wrote: »
    Do people think that the Libyan warlords making a packet from this racket are going to halt their cashcow ?.

    Do you think they will stop if European navy's stop rescuing their drowning 'customers' ?

    I don't, I think they will keep on taking money from people determined to leave, and not giving a crap what happens to them.
    At least we do something, at least we don't stand by watching thousands of people die by drowning.
    And I don't mean that to be anyway argumentative, which some on here believe, I just think we should try to save those people.


  • #618
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Do you think they will stop if European navy's stop rescuing their drowning 'customers' ?

    I don't, I think they will keep on taking money from people determined to leave, and not giving a crap what happens to them.
    At least we do something, at least we don't stand by watching thousands of people die by drowning.
    And I don't mean that to be anyway argumentative, which some on here believe, I just think we should try to save those people.

    ^^^this

    Some posters on here wouldn't mind seeing daily news reports of boats full of women and children capsizing and bodies washing up on the shore. They don't realise that for every boat that gets found (turned around as they advocate) another 20 get through


  • #619
    b_mac2
    Closed Accounts Posts: 454 ✭✭b_mac2


    bubblypop wrote: »
    Do you think they will stop if European navy's stop rescuing their drowning 'customers' ?

    I don't, I think they will keep on taking money from people determined to leave, and not giving a crap what happens to them.
    At least we do something, at least we don't stand by watching thousands of people die by drowning.
    And I don't mean that to be anyway argumentative, which some on here believe, I just think we should try to save those people.

    Of course you would pick this point out so you can pluck at the heart strings, basic liberal default settings really, when you and a lot pf other posters can't answer the tough questions which need to be addressed.

    I would appreciate a straight answer on this though-
    How many people from Africa and the ME do you think Europe should take in each year? Or would you just like to see an uncapped number flow here?

    Honest question here, i'm not making any stupid digs. I know ye do mean well.


  • #620
    rgossip30
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,809 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    That is the major problem, social consequences. I am no expert but some of the problems I can see, IMO are. How can the huge numbers of refugee immigrants be managed? What happens then when the majority are male? So there is already an inbuilt imbalance, even before a country tries to integrate these people into the population, aside from the cultural differences. It might be easier if the numbers were of families and half men and half women. Then, there is a demand on the health service, social security, accomadation and all the rest. Here in Ireland we cannot even cope with our own population with regards to the Health services. It's a nightmare for the refugees and also the countries trying to assimilate these people. It's the sheer numbers as well.

    what is good for Germany is not for Ireland . There are already many coming from the EU and now after Brexit from the UK .We have enough young EU/UK workers thanks .Reads to be like buying a pet for Christmas after time they will be neglected .


  • #621
    Mary63
    Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Mary63


    Eh, what happens when the majority are male Mr. Micro, well Cologne and Sweden are your answer to that question.

    Of course large scale muslim immigrant communities will be neglected rgossip because thats the way they want it.They want to avail of all the benefits of modern Western countries but on their terms.These means setting up their own community with sharia laws etc even though everyone else has to live under the Rule Of Law or under the constitutional law of the land.They want the young people to stick to their own communities too so this means not availing of all the educational opportunities their country has to offer.The young then get disillusioned because without qualifications their future is dim, they then turn to petty crime first and then serious crime, end up in jail alongside other muslims, group together in jail too listening to each other whining about how terrible life in the West is.The more stupid among them is then persuaded by an ISIL terrorist to drug themselves up and start massacring innocent people and well you know the rest.


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  • #622
    alastair
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,309 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    I wouldn't be throwing out any accusations of stupidity with that pile of ignorant cant.


  • #623
    Mr.Micro
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    rgossip30 wrote: »
    what is good for Germany is not for Ireland . There are already many coming from the EU and now after Brexit from the UK .We have enough young EU/UK workers thanks .Reads to be like buying a pet for Christmas after time they will be neglected .

    I did not say it was good for Germany. My point was it is an impossible nightmare situation for countries and refugees, exacerbated by too many males and not a balance.


  • #624
    recedite
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,989 ✭✭✭✭recedite


    alastair wrote: »
    .. ignorant cant.
    Oh dear, I hope this is not a racist slur against "an ethnic minority".


  • #625
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Mary63 wrote: »
    Eh, what happens when the majority are male Mr. Micro, well Cologne and Sweden are your answer to that question.

    Of course large scale muslim immigrant communities will be neglected rgossip because thats the way they want it.They want to avail of all the benefits of modern Western countries but on their terms.These means setting up their own community with sharia laws etc even though everyone else has to live under the Rule Of Law or under the constitutional law of the land.They want the young people to stick to their own communities too so this means not availing of all the educational opportunities their country has to offer.The young then get disillusioned because without qualifications their future is dim, they then turn to petty crime first and then serious crime, end up in jail alongside other muslims, group together in jail too listening to each other whining about how terrible life in the West is.The more stupid among them is then persuaded by an ISIL terrorist to drug themselves up and start massacring innocent people and well you know the rest.

    It is a situation that most countries cannot handle. The numbers are vast, so to assimilate so many at one time is nigh on impossible, and it's a never ending stream. Added to this, as I mentioned already, too many males hampers the task, as it makes integration tougher in the longer term, as family often keeps people straight, for want of a better word.


  • #626
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    ^^^this

    Some posters on here wouldn't mind seeing daily news reports of boats full of women and children capsizing and bodies washing up on the shore. They don't realise that for every boat that gets found (turned around as they advocate) another 20 get through

    Like Bubblypop's earlier similar remark (which I reported yesterday) I'm amazed the 'moderators' allow this to pass.


  • #627
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,872 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Widdershins wrote: »
    Like Bubblypop's earlier similar remark (which I reported yesterday) I'm amazed the 'moderators' allow this to pass.

    Allow what?

    Pull out the Irish Navy (and others) and the boats full of people they did save could possibly have collapsed and people died.


  • #628
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »
    Allow what?

    Pull out the Irish Navy (and others) and the boats full of people they did save could possibly have collapsed and people died.

    Accusing people of being indifferent to a tragic situation you described graphically and I won't repeat.In other words, implying ''some posters'' are some kind of heartless, sociopathic monsters.

    For clarity, I didn't report your post.


  • #629
    Mary63
    Closed Accounts Posts: 801 ✭✭✭Mary63


    I think those adults should be charged with reckless endangerment of their children's lives(after they land and before they are deported).

    The child who died and whose picture led to Angela Merkels decision to open the doors and our Navys decision to find something to do with their Boat(toy) had reached a safe country.His father decided this country wasn't good enough so he put his family into that boat.That childs death isn't on my conscience, it was down to the adult who put him on the boat.

    They aren't women and children dying anyway, most of the hordes coming are male.They are the fittest and strongest so everyone else will be elbowed out of the way.They arrive in the EU then and are given cash.They take pictures of themselves with this cash and next thing you have two thousand more heading off to find a boat to jump on too.

    Can any of the lefties answer the question, how long do we go on with the unlimited numbers landing and claiming to be refugees, do we allow, two million a year every year.If we are going to allow that many in we might as well fly them in and stop spending money on navy ships to pick them up out of the water.


  • #630
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 22,819 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Mary63 wrote: »
    I think those adults should be charged with reckless endangerment of their children's lives(after they land and before they are deported).

    The child who died and whose picture led to Angela Merkels decision to open the doors and our Navys decision to find something to do with their Boat(toy) had reached a safe country.His father decided this country wasn't good enough so he put his family into that boat.That childs death isn't on my conscience, it was down to the adult who put him on the boat.

    They aren't women and children dying anyway, most of the hordes coming are male.They are the fittest and strongest so everyone else will be elbowed out of the way.They arrive in the EU then and are given cash.They take pictures of themselves with this cash and next thing you have two thousand more heading off to find a boat to jump on too.

    Can any of the lefties answer the question, how long do we go on with the unlimited numbers landing and claiming to be refugees, do we allow, two million a year every year.If we are going to allow that many in we might as well fly them in and stop spending money on navy ships to pick them up out of the water.

    No one wants unlimited numbers. That's a straw man you've built to burn.

    If we pull the Navy out more people will die than if we leave them there. Do you disagree?

    they/them/theirs


    The more you can increase fear of drugs and crime, welfare mothers, immigrants and aliens, the more you control all of the people.

    Noam Chomsky



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  • #631
    Widdershins
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,633 ✭✭✭✭Widdershins


    It has also been suggested in the past that the Navy keep dropping them back to the shore they departed from.


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