Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

26-01-2017 02:22PM

Mary63 wrote: »

Seemingly there are no records in many of the countries where these men are coming from and no one knows who they are.Also if you come from a country where women don't report rape because they will be told it was their fault anyway and they will be considered damaged goods, there will be no records kept of rapists so they can rape again and again and again.

They aren't going to undertake some huge change of mind and attitude just because they are given asylum.

Its a bit facile to say if laws are broken someone will be prosecuted.Try telling that to the women in Cologne, prosecuting someone for raping you doesn't take away the fact that your life as you know it has been destroyed.Its not good enough to say don't judge people by where they come from, give them the benefit of the doubt and if they rape women, well, so what they will be prosecuted for it.How do you deal with a situation where potential rapists outnumber the Police force as happened in Cologne, this isn't very reassuring for Irish women when we know we haven't enough Gardai as it is.

I hate to tell you this, but there are potential rapists everywhere!!!
Anyone can rape and then they can rape and rape again.....

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:26PM

Widdershins wrote: »

R.E Feminists- as one myself I have an idea.

Clearly a misinformed one.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:27PM

alastair wrote: »

Clearly a misinformed one.

Your opinion based on nothing. Ironically.

Brian? · 26-01-2017 02:27PM

Mary63 wrote: »

Absolutely no interest in reassurance, I prefer to look at what has happened in other European countries and learn from their mistakes.

I sincerely hope that Angela Merkel has learned from her mistake and that she will never be allowed to do a solo run on illegal immigrants again.We have no idea who she let into Germany and once these dangerous people are in they can travel anywhere in Europe with their murderous intent.

The culture in Pakistan is so cruel, girls can only be educated up to eight years of age and it is the general belief that they should have their first period in their husbands house rather than their fathers.The women have a hard hard life, the misogyny is very extreme and it shouldn't be minimised by saying its the same in other parts of the world.There is no future for any country that treats half its population like chattels and there will be no change until men making laws to suit themselves and denying other human beings basic rights.

There is no place in Western Europe for men who want to continue to treat women like chattels and who prefer to live in self imposed ghettoes rather than embrace the norms of the country they are living in.France for example took the bull by the horns because the Muslim demands were becoming extreme in what is a secular society, The Muslims related by shooting cartoonists dead and by gunning down people enjoying a concert.

Are you basing your ideas about Muslim society on a couple of books you've read about Afghanistan?

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:28PM

Widdershins wrote: »

you add to and compound that by demeaning their suffering. Well done, Alastair.

More arrant nonsense.

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:29PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Your opinion based on nothing. Ironically.

Based on your clearly articulated nonsense in this very thread.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:30PM

alastair wrote: »

More arrant nonsense.

Their suffering is nonsense? Hmm.

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:31PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Their suffering is nonsense? Hmm.

If that's the level of your written comprehension, the nature of your misunderstandings become clearer.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:32PM

alastair wrote: »

Based on your clearly articulated nonsense in this very thread.

Yet you can't articulate what it is. Other than claiming Islamic societies are no more misogynistic then non Islamic ones and talking about the oppressed women in them is nonsense.

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:32PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Yet you can't articulate what it is. Other than claiming Islamic societies are no more misogynistic then non Islamic ones and talking about the oppressed women in them is nonsense.

See above.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:33PM

alastair wrote: »

If that's the level of your written comprehension, the nature of your misunderstandings become clearer.

I did ask for clarity but you prefer to offer derisive remarks, so what can you expect. This thread is becoming clogged with our over and back comments so I'll drop it.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:34PM

Brian? wrote: »

Are you basing your ideas about Muslim society on a couple of books you've read about Afghanistan?

Was Mary wrong? Please explain what she got wrong?

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:36PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I did ask for clarity

No you didn't. But why start being honest now?

Brian? · 26-01-2017 02:37PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Was Mary wrong? Please explain what she got wrong?

She's made some wild claims about women being allowed access to education in Pakistan. I'd like to hear her source for these claims. It's up to her to support her points. Not me.

rgossip30 · 26-01-2017 02:37PM

alastair wrote: »

No you didn't. But why start being honest now?

Your posts are boring zzzzz .

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:39PM

alastair wrote: »

No you didn't. But why start being honest now?

I asked which of my comments you were taking issue with and for clarity r.e the classes. I've been entirely honest throughout, why wouldn't anyone be honest in their opinions and in stating facts that were used in a famous rape trial?.. but you wouldn't realise that, defender of liars like Ibrahim Halawa that you are.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:40PM

Brian? wrote: »

She's made some wild claims about women being allowed access to education in Pakistan. I'd like to hear her source for these claims. It's up to her to support her points. Not me.

Fair enough, at least you specified.

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:40PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I asked which of my comments you were taking issue with and for clarity r.e the classes. I've been entirely honest throughout, why wouldn't anyone be honest in their opinions and in stating facts that were used in a famous rape trial?.. but you wouldn't realise that, defender of liars like Ibrahim Halawa that you are.

Ah - the mask slips further.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:47PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I hate to tell you this, but there are potential rapists everywhere!!!
Anyone can rape and then they can rape and rape again.....

Says a lot for the Gardai.

Mary63 · 26-01-2017 02:47PM

http://nation.com.pk/lahore/21-Feb-2015/women-education-in-pakistan

If you are actually totally ignorant of the plight of women in Afghanistan you really should educate yourself Brianh.

The vast majority of women in Pakistan have no life, they endure an existence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24379018

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:48PM

alastair wrote: »

Ah - the mask slips further.

Are you quoting from a ''witty phrasebook'' or something?

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:49PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://nation.com.pk/lahore/21-Feb-2015/women-education-in-pakistan

If you are actually totally ignorant of the plight of women in Afghanistan you really should educate yourself Brianh.

The vast majority of women in Pakistan have no life, they endure an existence.

The fact that they-Brian and others- do not already know these things but at the same time they consider themselves qualified to refute it when others mention it, is worrying.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 02:50PM

alastair wrote: »

Ah - the mask slips further.

I'm actually looking forward to the next one.

alastair · 26-01-2017 02:54PM

Widdershins wrote: »

I'm actually looking forward to the next one.

On to ignore you go.

26-01-2017 03:02PM

Widdershins wrote: »

Says a lot for the Gardai.

Do you think the gardai are psychic?
It's not minority report ya know!

jmayo · 26-01-2017 03:04PM

bubblypop wrote: »

I agree, we are lucky to live in this country.
We have laws here, if someone breaks them they are prosecuted.
Ignorance Of The law is no defence, so even if it's 'OK' to rape women in other countries, it's not here.

But why bring in people who come from a culture which has been proven time and again to be shown to condone second class treatment of women and actually more often than not punishes the girls and women who are raped.

Seriously I just don't get some people.

Claiming they will be prosecuted after the fact is adopting the Cologne mayors views.

Women, girls and indeed young boys who have sexually assaulted and raped by migrants are just it appears collateral damage to some people.
And shure we will prosecute if anything happens.
Well maybe we will ignore it as in Cologne/Swedish concert and shure even if people are prosecuted the victims may be the ones blamed because they didn't fight enough or didn't scream in the rapists own language to let them know they didn't want to be raped to help the rapist alleviate their sexual emergency.

Widdershins · 26-01-2017 03:08PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Do you think the gardai are psychic?
It's not minority report ya know!

Rare...and rape and rape again? They shouldn't need psychic powers after the first time.

It was just a joke, by the way. No harm meant.

alastair · 26-01-2017 03:25PM

jmayo wrote: »

Claiming they will be prosecuted after the fact is adopting the Cologne mayors views.

And the basic civil rights that apply across the world. Kinda bizarre notion to sanction people for something they haven't actually done.

Brian? · 26-01-2017 03:38PM

Mary63 wrote: »

http://nation.com.pk/lahore/21-Feb-2015/women-education-in-pakistan

If you are actually totally ignorant of the plight of women in Afghanistan you really should educate yourself Brianh.

I'm entirely cognisant of the plight of women in Afghanistan. What makes you think I am not.

The vast majority of women in Pakistan have no life, they endure an existence.

http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-24379018

Are women allowed secondary school education? You said ealier they weren't . That poor girl was shot by the Taliban , an insurgent group in Pakistan. It doesn't mean women in Pakistan can't go to school. Far from it.

I think the plight of women in some Muslim countries is terrible. But I'd like to keep you honest on your wild claims.

Brian, no h

gitzy16v · 26-01-2017 03:39PM

alastair wrote: »

And the basic civil rights that apply across the world. Kinda bizarre notion to sanction people for something they haven't actually done.

The old saying prevention is better than cure springs to mind.

Child refugees -majority to be males aged 17???

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