Official Conor McGregor thread (part 3) *Updated Warning in 1st Post Re:Boxing match

J Mysterio wrote: »

I dont think Frazer did forgive him.

To be fair, he kinda did.

He showed up for this anyway which is the measure of the man and this is after Ali retired.

One of my favourite sports clips.

wonderfullife wrote: »

The key thing to note is that even world-class sambo players will find it harder to land take-downs if they've been dropped first and are on wobbly legs.

It's not as if Khabib got Johnson or Daryl Horcher down and did a Demian Maia on them. He didn't just cut through their guard and choke them out within seconds.

It took him the bones of 3 rounds in both instances.

That's not good news for Khabib. If it takes him 3 rounds to try submit Conor then that's 3 rounds he has to avoid that left hand. Tough going.

You keep calling him a sambo player, and he is, in part, but to keep singling out that one aspect of his game kind of makes it seem like you don't fully appreciate the level he's operating at.

Khabib isn't a sambo player or a wrestler or a BJJ player when it comes to his MMA game, he's world class in all three disciplines and he combines it into what is without doubt the scariest expression of grappling excellence in MMA right now.


His game is pure grappling incorperating many different schools. He uses Judo, different forms of wrestling, Sambo and BJJ and makes them one art that is perfect for his MMA game.

His offensive positioning is a tribute to his positional bjj and top control thanks to his wrestling and sambo, his trips, throws and slams come from his wrestling and judo and his locks when he chooses to use them are from judo, sambo and bjj.

He's a complete grappler. He can send you on a one way ticket on Khabib Airways or he can clinch, reap and land in top control and once you're down, you're more than likely not getting up until the bell goes and while you're down there you're getting completely dominated and demoralised.

Maia's game is the only grappling game comparable in it's completness but it's not nearly as scary, where as Maia is looking for the quick choke or lock for a finish, Khabib just wants to dominate you and if that means dropping elbows and fists into your face for 3 rounds or ripping your shoulder apart, he'll do it as it presents itself.

J Mysterio wrote: »

Jesus christ. You were like the number 1 Kavanagh fan a few months ago, even going so far as to go have his book signed by him in SBG.

Now you are like a spurned lover, constantly spouting unusual complaints against the guy.

I am a big fan of his coaching and he's a nice fella.

Hardly an unusual argument I'm making.

What do you think would happen if Conor himself liked an Anti-Islam tweet on twitter? I'll tell you what'd happen - front pages of papers. And as Kavanagh discovered himself with his rant about "liberals" that applies to him too.

I just don't see the need to inject political views into sport, especially extreme political views. It's going to lead to nothing but hassle.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

You keep calling him a sambo player, and he is, in part, but to keep singling out that one aspect of his game kind of makes it seem like you don't fully appreciate the level he's operating at.

I didn't mean to diminish his abilities at all. I just meant his grappling is sambo-based and he doesn't seem to utilise the quick transitions like Maia from half-guard or three-quarter-mount to the back.

He's got amazing grappling.

Striking is only competent though I don't think it goes well for him if it remains standing for long.

wonderfullife wrote: »

I didn't mean to diminish his abilities at all. I just meant his grappling is sambo-based

I'd disagree, his grappling is based on a wrestling game. He's either using upper-body locks (greco) to unbalance you and pull you down or double leg/single leg/High crotch enteries (freestyle) for the purpose of taking you on the Eagle Express. He mixes up these takedowns with very fundimental judo trips and reaps at times to keep you guessing.

On the ground it's pure wrestling control to maintain dominant position and advance to where he can do damage. The reason he's not trying to do slick guard passes like Maia is because he's not focused on taking your neck and not hurting you like Maia is, he's happy to just control you, inflict damage and make you his girlfriend for the next 15-25 minutes.

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I'd disagree, his grappling is based on a wrestling game. He's either using upper-body locks (greco) to unbalance you and pull you down or double leg/single leg/High crotch enteries (freestyle) for the purpose of taking you on the Eagle Express. He mixes up these takedowns with very fundimental judo trips and reaps at times to keep you guessing.

On the ground it's pure wrestling control to maintain dominant position and advance to where he can do damage. The reason he's not trying to do slick guard passes like Maia is because he's not focused on taking your neck and not hurting you like Maia is, he's happy to just control you, inflict damage and make you his girlfriend for the next 15-25 minutes.

Do you think long-term for his career that's a wise strategy? Do you think he can do the slick passes and chooses not to?

4 of his last 7 fights have gone to decisions and that's probably held his career back to some degree. Until 205, He had never even been on a numbered UFC main card.

I think all fighters need to look for more finishes if they want to make big career leaps in popularity. I know being Russian (Khabib) and Polish (Joanna) doesn't help but it can't be pure coincidence that they are both relatively unknown in America. Both dominant fighters but not known as finishers.

wonderfullife wrote: »

4 of his last 7 fights have gone to decisions and that's probably held his career back to some degree. Until 205, He had never even been on a numbered UFC main card.
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I remember him as being only on the Prelim card for 205.

GerryDerpy wrote: »

I remember him as being only on the Prelim card for 205.

Yeah sorry you're right.

He's never been on a numbered UFC Main Card.

wonderfullife wrote: »

Ok fair enough.

I've been trying to steer away from the politics stuff in last few posts but then I keep replying to it

I'm telling ya though if he keeps going the way he is with his social media it'll just generate negative headlines sooner or later. And maybe that's what he wants to sell more books. I don't know.

Anyway, I'm leaving it at that.

I think you are holding Kavanagh to the standards that huge stars in the public eye are held to. You mentioned them, they should remain neutral politically from a PR view point.

But Kavanagh seems to post on twitter like any normal bloke, replying to anything and everyone. I don't think he should filter his views at his level of fame.

And I wouldn't call anyone out on being anti-Islam or any religion. They are all horse poo.

Richy06 wrote: »

Ah in all fairness, Islam is grand. They really respect their women. That's why they let them vote, in some Islamic countries.

There have been more female heads of state in Muslim majority countries than Europe and North America combined.

The Muslim majority countries where women aren't treated as equals like Saudi and The UAE are in a minority in number and overall population of world Muslims.

Christian women in East Africa are held down and have their clitorois abd labia cut off.
In West Africa they are regularly beaten during child birth to scare out the child and in Ireland less not that long ago they were banned from working in the civil service if they were married and are still denied the right to bodily autonomy.

The oppression of women is a global problem that exists regardless of religious denominations or secularism.

Just to be blunt.

Gamebred wrote: »

This is some train wreck of a thread McGregor thread somehow on topic of womens rights in the far east and Africa,

As opposed to what?

There was absolute crickets in here for weeks. At times 2 posts a day with one man and a sheep viewing and one of the posts would be "So, can he beat Floyd lads?......(facepalm)"

Like it or lump it, John Kavanagh is Conor McGregors head coach. When he makes national headlines attacking Streep, the actual headline is "Conor McGregors Coach".

So when he goes on twitter to slate the Woman's March by sarcastically suggesting they go march in Saudi Arabia, then it does reflect on and relate to Conor. It shouldn't - but it does. John is purely known in the wider media for one reason - Conor.

I guarantee you 100% if we had a Ronda Rousey thread and Edmond came out with those tweets, there'd be pages of discussion about Edmond in it and not many would be jumping to his defence.