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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #3542
    Ken.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,898 ✭✭✭✭Ken.


    Mod-Threads merged. One thread is enough for trump.


  • #3543
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    Depp wrote:
    who cares? the popular vote isnt how its decided, its like losing a game of fifa and pretending you won cause you had more posession.


    I know... I was responding to the post that said people should have voted. My point was that at the end of the day, their vote meant little.


  • #3544
    Arcade_Tryer
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,021 ✭✭✭Arcade_Tryer


    Depp wrote: »
    who cares? the popular vote isnt how its decided, its like losing a game of fifa and pretending you won cause you had more posession.
    It's important in the context of him having a firm mandate. She won the popular vote by a margin of a few million votes. That's a lot.


  • #3545
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    sup_dude wrote: »
    They did. He lost by 3 million votes.

    But are you alleging that the EC system is corrupt, unfair...what?
    It's the system they use...you can't just decide that you don't like the system just because you didn't win?


  • #3546
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Depp wrote: »
    who cares? the popular vote isnt how its decided, its like losing a game of fifa and pretending you won cause you had more posession.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2017/01/23/at-white-house-trump-tells-congressional-leaders-3-5-million-illegal-ballots-cost-him-the-popular-vote/?utm_term=.72269590b357

    Well it clearly matters to insecure Donald. The latest drivel to drip from his mouth sees him blame "illegal immigrants" on the fact that fewer people voted for him than Clinton.


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  • #3547
    infogiver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,505 ✭✭✭infogiver


    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    It's important in the context of him having a firm mandate. She won the popular vote by a margin of a few million votes. That's a lot.

    But they've been using EC for hundreds of years
    That's how they elect a President
    Why can't you just get over it?


  • #3548
    conditioned games
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 683 ✭✭✭conditioned games


    ken wrote: »
    Mod-Threads merged. One thread is enough for trump.

    Is this a thread for Trump? You wouldn't think it with the title of the thread.


  • #3549
    Igotadose
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,712 ✭✭✭✭Igotadose


    Billy86 wrote: »
    Funny you mention this...



    140 more at North Jersey's The Record

    FWIW, the Record's a newspaper. Layoffs at newspapers aren't surprising.

    The fact the cheerleaders about job reports miss, is that none of the job info in the last few weeks, was a 'new plan' because of Trump. Huge multi-billion dollar factories don't get agreed to, in a few weeks. In fact, imho it'd be corporate malfeasance to rush into something so quickly. Imagine coming to a BOT and saying, "Hey, let's greenlight this multi-billion dollar investment we just dreamed up because DC wants it." You'd be laughed outta the room.

    But, President Trump's all about the brand and getting his name in the media 24x7 worldwide, and he's doing a good job at that. However it's accomplished, bad news, good news, he doesn't care.

    On a side note, there was a dinner before the inauguration where Trump said nice things to the Clintons and they received a standing O. The thing I found really amusing, was that there were a couple cabinet officers there (Matteis and Flynn I think.) Seemed to me Trump struggled to remember their names, repeatedly going on about his 'great generals' till he finally remember Matteis.

    Heh.


  • #3550
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Manic Moran wrote: »
    Something similar happened during the campaign, when Hillary started coming into trouble for the emails and whatnot. He shut up and said nothing for a while, which was remarked upon by the commentators. It would appear that he has a philosophy that if he sees someone already under general fire, he has no need to open up himself. The endstate is that the target is under fire from someone, him if necessary, not him if available.
    Ye-es, but that was Clinton, his arch-nemesis at the time. This is his son. If he'd opened fire on him, I'd be even more surprised! But I am surprised - and a bit sad for his son - that he did nothing.
    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    If you think I care what people think of me on an internet forum the jokes on you. Fact is this thread is almost all anti Trump, and even during the campaign boards itself was almost all pro HRC. For every pro Trump post there's 10 in the other direction. It's very easy to be on that side of the coin. I'm used to it by now. There is some open minded posters, you on the other hand for someone who claims to be open minded, clearly demonstrate your unbreakable hatred of Trump.
    Could it be because Trump is actually intensely hateable? Especially for those with liberal views. Most liberal views and policies are being directly attacked at the moment, including many that many conservatives believe too. The majority of conservatives was a habitable environment and also reckon vaccination is a good thing (there's been another measles outbreak), and this clown has Andrew Wakefield at one of his balls.

    When have you willingly spoken against Trump? I defended him a few pages ago because I believed the cause was important. Are you as open-minded as you think, when it's so hard to even have you admit that Trump's lies over the petty inaugeration were wrong.
    Rjd2 wrote: »
    Genuinely perplexed how the left have not acknowledged that this women has pretty horrific views. Bannon and his ilk get rightfully criticised, why is this women who supports sharia law held up as some sort of hero? I don't have an issue with the march, thought it was awesome and needed especially when you consider the people who behind Trump who are crazy, but her involvement slightly and I mean only slightly taints it somewhat.
    Overall, I'd say she's not in a position of power. I don't know much about this woman or her views on sharia (and I have a slight suspicion from this thread already that "supports sharia" may mean "supports women wearing the burkha if they so choose freely to. I may be wrong on that, she may be militantly pro-Sharia, but either way, the cause she was walking for is important. And the left are so under fire (people in here think the right is under fire? They're not the ones that will be losing hard-fought rights very quickly), that turning the conversation to one of the people involved in one of the marches (she may have been the starter of the whole thing, but it took off in a big way after that) just gives the Trump supporters yet another thing to twist the conversation away from what the president is doing. And they really really don't need the excuse.

    Arcade_Tryer wrote: »
    2017: When reporting the truth is now "anti-Trump". :rolleyes:

    Unfortunately for him and his followers, the truth is inexplicably biased against him. It's public, blatant, and even with photographs and time-lapse, people cling to what he says as the ultimate truth. Therefore anyone who says differently is lying. It's a bit insane.
    infogiver wrote: »
    But they've been using EC for hundreds of years
    That's how they elect a President
    Why can't you just get over it?
    One can "get over" the EC existing and still disagree with the man elected, can we not? Or if an Irish political party you dislike gets in, are you constitutionally obliged to shut up entirely until the next election and hope the new Taoiseach doesn't do too much damage? And really, this comes up in response to "The people voted, get over it". The obvious answer is "He lost by three million votes." Then you bring in the EC and tell everyone to get over it too. There's a reason it's coming to that. A tiny bit of humility from the Trump supporters at having lost popular support so drastically would be at least -nice- if they want to rebuild. But they don't. So far, Trump and his ilk seem busy destroying and mocking.

    No **** people don't like him.


  • #3551
    HellSquirrel
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,078 ✭✭✭HellSquirrel


    Liberal or leftist policies under threat;


    Reproductive rights - first step towards dismantling them, an easy step that affects women far away that don't have a vote for him, so easy target. Further under threat is Roe v Wade and the Supreme Court Position that he should never have been filling - only reason he is is that the frankly undemocratic elements in the Republican party blocked the president who should rightfully have filled it.
    Minority rights - I say minority. Between women of all races, black men and women, Muslims, Latin Americans and probably Asians, since white nationalism doesn't stop there, "minorities" outnumber white males. And he's very clearly in bed with white nationalists, whether or not he believes in it.
    Environment - Goodbye even Clear Skies Act, and that was a weakening of the Clean Air act in itself. Goodbye regulations that protect the environment. Goodbye national parks. And goodbye to the Paris Accord, probably the last chance at preventing a greater disaster than we're already headed for.
    LGBT rights - See minorities, although with the addition that those rights have only been very recently won.
    Workers rights - again with the removal of regulation protecting those rights. Yis can bid goodbye to any attempt at paternity leave! You can probably bid goodbye to reasonable maternity leave.
    Health - not only is the healthcare of the poorest segment of Americans being dismantled right now, but he's gone far enough to court the anti-vaccination crowd, including putting one of them in charge of a committee for vaccination!
    Education - Bring God back into schools, insists the new Secretary of Education. Secretary of Education with no experience whatsoever other than donating a lot of money to Trump. Why he couldn't just do what the rest of them did and make her an ambassador to somewhere he doesn't care about I don't know.

    And the things that should be important to all sides of the political spectrum;
    Economy - TPP's already gone and he's pulling out of the American trade deal between Mexico, US and Canada. He's also busy playing small beans with the occassional push at individual companies, benefiting some or blipping the stock market for others depending on whether he likes them or not. Talk about a recipe for cronyism. That is against Conservative ideals, not to mention the ideals of capitalism.
    Corruption - He's not divested. He is president in charge of a huge and shadowy multinational company that he refuses any look into (which is why the tax returns are kinda important). He said he would, he said also that the president can't have conflicts of interest, which is true in a lawyerly way and I think we can all agree is absolutely not true in reality. His children have and are also taking advantage of it. Openly. And his supporters are willfully blind. How long can they keep this up?
    Basic Human Decency - That died some months ago. And does anyone really not think he'll claim anything good going on for himself, despite if it was done by someone else, but blame anything that goes wrong for him on anyone else?

    And people wonder why "liberals" aren't going to be told to just sit down and shut up so the "winners" can gloat. This stuff is important to them.


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  • #3552
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,007 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    infogiver wrote: »
    But they've been using EC for hundreds of years
    That's how they elect a President
    Why can't you just get over it?

    Ahhh the good old tradition for the sake of tradition argument.

    Yes lets go back to monarchies and serfdom while were at it.

    If anything the fact that they have been using the EC for over 200 years is much more of an argument for reforming than keeping it.


  • #3553
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    I agree it's gone ridiculous at this stage, same with the Bretix,

    I don't agree - Trump and Brexit are the stupidest decisions of 2016, but in the case of Brexit, nothing has actually happened except a lot of talk. Article 50 won't be triggered for at least another month, and then it will be 2 years before Brexit happens. In 10 years people will still be arguing about the impact.

    Trump is in less than a week, and is already having a complete meltdown. The White House is half-full of amateurs who are all leaking embarrassing stuff to the press, the Press secretary is telling bare-faced lies to the assembled press and refusing to answer questions, Trump calls to the CIA to mend fences and instead insults them, and even brings his staff to clap and says it was the CIA.

    It's an absolute clown show, unlike anything ever seen in the White House in my lifetime. Even the senile Reagan had staff to keep him away from the press and the spotlight, Trump's own staff are reporting him throwing his toys out of the pram because the press don't love him.

    I think Trump thought that if he gets into the White House, the serious people he has always envied would have to respect him. I almost feel sorry for him.

    Almost.


  • #3554
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Liberal or leftist policies under threat;

    Good, liberalism has gone too far for too long.


  • #3555
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Butters1979 wrote:
    Good, liberalism has gone too far for too long.


    Or maybe neoliberalism has gone too far?


  • #3556
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    County councillors have backed a proposal to invite US President Donald Trump to Co Kerry.

    But the councillors have added an amendment calling for correct protocol to be adhered to and to meet first with the new US ambassador to Ireland - tipped to be businessman Brian Burns, whose grandfather came from Sneem, Co Kerry.

    The amendment also asked that the council first ascertained the new administration's positive policy towards the undocumented Irish and other issues about this country.
    https://www.google.es/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0ahUKEwjL0M_muNrRAhWqA8AKHe84D1QQFggqMAI&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.independent.ie%2Firish-news%2Fpolitics%2Fcouncillors-to-invite-trump-to-kerry-35392680.html&usg=AFQjCNFp41OAumKo5Stp4_hJtolTUJq2mQ


    *undocumented Irish are illegal immigrants ? or are they the wrong skin colour.

    Now that is a surprise, as I thought it would have been Clare councillor's who would have been in there first, Ya cant beat the Kerry folk ;);)

    Let the protests begin...






  • #3557
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    infogiver wrote:
    But are you alleging that the EC system is corrupt, unfair...what? It's the system they use...you can't just decide that you don't like the system just because you didn't win?

    Neither. The poster I quoted said that if the people didn't want him in, they shouldn't have voted him in. I'm saying they didn't vote him in.


  • #3558
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Or maybe neoliberalism has gone too far?

    That's true. Probably more neoliberalism, which is hurting traditional liberal causes.


  • #3559
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    Butters1979 wrote:
    That's true. Probably more neoliberalism, which is hurting traditional liberal causes.


    Neoliberalism, potentially one of the most dangerous things mankind has created


  • #3560
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    Overall, I'd say she's not in a position of power. I don't know much about this woman or her views on sharia (and I have a slight suspicion from this thread already that "supports sharia" may mean "supports women wearing the burkha if they so choose freely to. I may be wrong on that, she may be militantly pro-Sharia, but either way, the cause she was walking for is important. And the left are so under fire (people in here think the right is under fire? They're not the ones that will be losing hard-fought rights very quickly), that turning the conversation to one of the people involved in one of the marches (she may have been the starter of the whole thing, but it took off in a big way after that) just gives the Trump supporters yet another thing to twist the conversation away from what the president is doing. And they really really don't need the excuse.

    Linda Sarsour's co-chair of the Women's March on Washington and so due to the success of the march she has moved into a position of influence. She's clearly stated her desire for Sharia Law in the US and I think that muddies the waters a bit. I've noticed the likes of Huffington Post complain about Islamophobic attacks against Ms. Sarsour but no mention of the criticism in relation to her desire to see Sharia Law in America. I'd support opposition to Trump but I wouldn't ever align myself with someone that promotes Sharia Law.


  • #3561
    Sonics2k
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭Sonics2k


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    Good, liberalism has gone too far for too long.

    I genuinely am baffled that you could see anything on that list as a bad thing?
    These are all important rights and should not be revoked.

    I despise the SJW movement as much as anyone else, but let's be honest and say the Alt-Right movement is just as bad, just coming from the opposite direction.


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  • #3562
    The flying mouse
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,915 ✭✭✭The flying mouse


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    Linda Sarsour's co-chair of the Women's March on Washington and so due to the success of the march she has moved into a position of influence. She's clearly stated her desire for Sharia Law in the US and I think that muddies the waters a bit. I've noticed the likes of Huffington Post complain about Islamophobic attacks against Ms. Sarsour but no mention of the criticism in relation to her desire to see Sharia Law in America. I'd support opposition to Trump but I wouldn't ever align myself with someone that promotes Sharia Law.


    Would you have any links to that , thanks.


  • #3563
    Zubeneschamali
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,686 ✭✭✭✭Zubeneschamali


    kunst nugget wrote: »
    I'd support opposition to Trump but I wouldn't ever align myself with someone that promotes Sharia Law.

    So free speech, but only for people you agree with?

    I will oppose the introduction of Sharia Law, but I will back anyone's right to promote it if they want to, and I will happily stand with them to promote human rights for all.


  • #3564
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Zubeneschamali wrote: »
    So free speech, but only for people you agree with?

    I will oppose the introduction of Sharia Law, but I will back anyone's right to promote it if they want to, and I will happily stand with them to promote human rights for all.

    Where did I say I was opposed to free speech? I support her right to say what she wants but it doesn't mean I have to support what she's saying…


  • #3565
    Butters1979
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,164 ✭✭✭Butters1979


    Sonics2k wrote: »
    I genuinely am baffled that you could see anything on that list as a bad thing?
    These are all important rights and should not be revoked.

    I despise the SJW movement as much as anyone else, but let's be honest and say the Alt-Right movement is just as bad, just coming from the opposite direction.

    Of course you are. The idea that not everyone agrees with your liberal point of view is completely alien to you. You can't even comprehend a different ideal.


  • #3566
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    The flying mouse wrote: »
    Would you have any links to that , thanks.

    Her own tweets in relation to Sharia Law in America…

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598327052727615488

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598326262218813440

    https://mobile.twitter.com/lsarsour/status/530197072486473729


  • #3567
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    Of course you are. The idea that not everyone agrees with your liberal point of view is completely alien to you. You can't even comprehend a different viewpoint.

    Out of curiosity, what on that list did you have problems with?


  • #3568
    Wanderer78
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 31,156 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    kunst nugget wrote:
    Her own tweets in relation to Sharia Law in America…


    Maybe this woman needs to look into alternative financial systems such as public banking etc, might be a little less intrusive than sharia law


  • #3569
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,327 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Butters1979 wrote: »
    The idea that not everyone agrees with your liberal point of view is completely alien to you. You can't even comprehend a different ideal.
    This sentence could have been written by someone from either side of this political divide and neither would apparently see the irony in that.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



  • #3570
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Wibbs wrote: »
    This sentence could have been written by someone from either side of this political divide and neither would apparently see the irony in that.

    To be fair, a great deal of us spend our time in echo chambers, follow only the people we agree with on Twitter and read our facebook walls with information attuned to our sensibilities, all the while ascribing hive mind qualities to our opposition and believing that the actions of a few morons on the other side of the political divide are indicative of how everyone over there thinks and acts.


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  • #3571
    kunst nugget
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,375 ✭✭✭✭kunst nugget


    Wanderer78 wrote: »
    Maybe this woman needs to look into alternative financial systems such as public banking etc, might be a little less intrusive than sharia law

    I'd imagine the financial aspect is only part of the holistic nature of sharia law for her.


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