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Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

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  • #3122
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Jelle1880 wrote: »
    I think I posted it earlier here, but the fact he is refusing to hand in his tax return imo shows he has something to hide.

    It would show for example how much of his debt is to foreign parties, which might imply that they have leverage over him.

    If he had business dealings with foreign entities it's likely there would be public records of that. I think it's far more likely he avoided paying taxes by using legal loopholes.


  • #3123
    The_Valeyard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,452 ✭✭✭✭The_Valeyard


    MadYaker wrote: »
    They are both photos of Trumps inauguration, I don't see how that proves your point. he got a small crowd compared to Obama but I don't see why anyone would be surprised by that? He is hugely unpopular and D.C would be a more democrat leaning area so not many of the people who live around there would have voted for him. Plus the weather was crap.

    His response to the media accurately reporting the crowd numbers was worrying though. It's just so bizarre, he made his press secretary tell a blatant and obvious lie for no good reason.

    Good point although Not sure why Trump is so hung up about it. He had the 4th or 5th biggest turn out in Modern era, also he beat Bush and Clinton in terms of numbers.


  • #3124
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    infogiver wrote: »
    There isn't a hope in hell of this lasting. He had no clue what being the President really entailed and as soon as he realises and discovers that shouting and bullying and firing won't work he'll throw his toys out of the pram and look for an out.
    Serious health issues will do, very believable and hard to disprove.

    My mother thinks 3 months I think around 10 months .

    I was like you I reckoned he would struggle on for nearly a year and then either end up impeached or find a reason to walk away but given the performance of his first two days in office I think it could be weeks even. The display of weak skinned ego mania that the "numbergate" affair has shown is akin to him swimming in a pool full of sharks wearing a steak suit. It's like he is inviting the media to attack him and given his attitude towards them I believe they will be more than happy to oblige.

    So how long will Spicer last as the press secretary?

    Oh this is fun!!!

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  • #3125
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    HellSquirrel wrote: »
    That's actually all I wanted, that you might admit that something the man does is wrong.

    I've done that numerous times, what many posters on this thread haven't done is give him an ounce of praise for anything, or even a chance. I've posted close to ten tweets on companies announcing bringing jobs back to the US and they've either been ignored, or made fun of then the rhetoric immediately went back to bashing the man. That isn't a fair environment to have any sort of real discussion where the outcome of a point has a predetermined negativity to it.

    Thing is this squabbling with the media or people wanting his taxes doesn't make me think for a second perhaps his opponent was a better choice. Anytime I bring up something related to her I get called out for dodging questions or trying to shift the blame elsewhere, and that isn't fair either. Someone makes the point that Trump might be sued for owning foreign hotels and accepting money, I make the point the state department were taking money from the Saudi's and what not and I get attacked for it. It's my honest belief a disaster was avoided with Trump winning and I'm prepared to at least give the man a chance. That doesn't mean you can't bash him or call him out, but even when there's something positive and it just gets ignored it feels like a one way street and this thread becomes pointless.

    The majority of the media is politically controlled by opponents of Trump, that is something which is never discussed here. If we want to talk about how brash Trump has been towards them, why can't we talk about the reasons for that.


  • #3126
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    The_Valeyard wrote: »
    Good point although Not sure why Trump is so hung up about it. He had the 4th or 5th biggest turn out in Modern era, also he beat Bush and Clinton in terms of numbers.

    I believe he absolutely hates Barack Obama and in his mind he expected a bigger turnout than Obama got.

    The thing is he and his advisors have made this an issue. If they had just shut up and let it be it would have been forgotten by the majority the next day. They are the ones that blew it out of proportion, now unless they were burying a bigger story the only reason I see for it is to massage DJT's ego and if they are going to behave like this over a minor issue (see I agree it's a minor issue) then god help them when they have a real crisis.

    The numbers aren't the problem the reaction and bare faced lying is.


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  • #3127
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Even if Trump doesn't go the full 4 years, Pence will take over there won't be another election. The same appointments will likely remain too.


  • #3128
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    I wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump is brought down from within the Republican party. He's too much of a liability and Pence is their guy. Not only could four years of Trump bring disaster for America, it could make the Republicans unellectable and I think that as soon as he hits his first major crisis, they'll drop him like a hot snot.


  • #3129
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    red ears wrote: »
    Even if Trump doesn't go the full 4 years, Pence will take over there won't be another election. The same appointments will likely remain too.

    Absolutely but I have a feeling that Pence will play the game better than Trump.


  • #3130
    jooksavage
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,545 ✭✭✭jooksavage


    So now Wikileaks want to publish Trump's tax returns. Jeez guys, couldn't you have knuckled down on this a few months ago? They'll have to get their hands on them first and they obviously won't be volunteered but it's unlikely Trump will be able to keep them under wraps for a full 4 years. If he had any sense, he'd have released them after the election and (unless they contain something potentially impeachable, like say evidence of foreign payments from certain individuals), it'd be old news at this point.


  • #3131
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    super_furry wrote: »
    I wouldn't be at all surprised if Trump is brought down from within the Republican party. He's too much of a liability and Pence is their guy. Not only could four years of Trump bring disaster for America, it could make the Republicans unellectable and I think that as soon as he hits his first major crisis, they'll drop him like a hot snot.

    After the complete blowout by the Democratic party this election, 2 days into Trumps Presidency you're predicting the fall of the Republicans. They've lost over 1000 seats during the course of Obama's terms. The smart thing to do would be to find good leadership and get a better message, preferably one that sways away from identity politics and corruption.


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  • #3132
    Leroy42
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,088 ✭✭✭✭Leroy42


    I think Trump is going to find out that draining the swamp is very mush easier said than done.

    Handing power back to the people? Nice idea, but the problem with that is that 'the people' tend to have ideas different than yours. The main problem of course is that the very people that need to change are actually the swamp themselves, and they are not going to take it lying down.

    The only time that people cross the political divide is when politics (and therefore their existence) is being threatened. Suddenly both sides of the house will become very worried about constitutional norms and precedent and defending the birth right of every citizen blah blah.

    That is of course if you take Trump at his word. None of his deeds to date appear to have anything to do with draining the swamp. He has not included any opposition party members anywhere. If there was ever of chance of a candidate crossing the divide it was supposed to be him but instead he has stuck firmly to either GOP or right wing people.

    Bringing his own family members into the fold hardly shouts transparency. He might do it, but he will need support from somewhere. And right now he seems intent on getting on everyones back. The parties, the media, a huge amount of the public. To drain the swamp he will need either support from within the swamp (no chance) or from outside (the public). He is off to a very poor start getting the people on his side.


  • #3133
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    I've done that numerous times, what many posters on this thread haven't done is give him an ounce of praise for anything, or even a chance.
    So, pretty much exactly what Republicans and Conservatives did to Obama over the last 8 years? Eh, no. The republicans are going to take a roasting until Trump leaves office and they can STFU whinging about being attacked. It seems the Republicans are happy to dish it out, but then cry like babies when it's turned back on them.

    If you don't like it, you're going to have a rough time for the next few years. Because the republican party have the worst president in history. Nobody is going to give him an inch because he already exhausted all goodwill and benefit of the doubt before he even entered office.

    You might be better off just disconnecting altogether.


  • #3134
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    seamus wrote: »
    So, pretty much exactly what Republicans and Conservatives did to Obama over the last 8 years? Eh, no. The republicans are going to take a roasting until Trump leaves office and they can STFU whinging about being attacked. It seems the Republicans are happy to dish it out, but then cry like babies when it's turned back on them.

    If you don't like it, you're going to have a rough time for the next few years. Because the republican party have the worst president in history. Nobody is going to give him an inch because he already exhausted all goodwill and benefit of the doubt before he even entered office.

    You might be better off just disconnecting altogether.

    Why did so many counties flip from Obama to Trump?


  • #3135
    seamus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 68,190 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Probably because they hate Hillary.

    That has nothing to do with what I said. The point is that the Republicans can't now start appealing for fairness and to "give him a chance", when they afforded no such things to Trump's predecessor.

    Trump is going to be hounded continually. The republicans are just going to have to suck it up.


  • #3136
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    seamus wrote: »
    Trump is going to be hounded continually. The republicans are just going to have to suck it up.

    For what its worth i think Trump will do the full 4 years. But even if Pence takes over the anti trump brigade will be left with a man who will do much the same as Trump is planning to do.


  • #3137
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    The reality is that Trump, being a rich kid failed businessman, is way out his league in terms of experience and competence. Ditto many of his cronies appointed to his administration. Add in the fact that he has already alienated two cohorts of people you want on your side - spies and reporters - and the future is bleak for Trump. He's like the dog that caught the car.


  • #3138
    red ears
    Closed Accounts Posts: 945 ✭✭✭red ears


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    Add in the fact that he has already alienated two cohorts of people you want on your side - spies and reporters - and the future is bleak for Trump. He's like the dog that caught the car.

    Spies maybe but why should he fear the media. They are losing trust hand over fist. They tried to ruin his bid for office and he still won.


  • #3139
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    red ears wrote: »
    Spies maybe but why should he fear the media. They are losing trust hand over fist. They tried to ruin his bid for office and he still won.

    Apart from Fox, they are already beginning to coalesce around a different mission statement. Instead of attending press briefings and reporting what they hear, they now see their duty as being to investigate everything that Trump and his cronies do and say. I suppose you could say they will be searching for alternative facts.


  • #3140
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    seamus wrote: »
    Probably because they hate Hillary.

    That has nothing to do with what I said.

    Well it does, you went on a rant about Republicans and Obama. There was a fairly large scale flip in blue counties to red this election, which would indicate the support of the democratic party isn't as strong as people suspected, on top of that they've lost over 1000 seats during Obama's terms in charge.

    Something is failing and they need to figure out what's wrong instead of shouting racist/russia or organizing marches lead by a Woman who supports Sharia Law. I don't think that's going to win back Women voters that supported Trump, it will only turn more away. Triggered isn't the word I'd use to describe my feelings when I see things like that, worried would be a better word.

    I don't really see Trump supporters having a tough time, Fox news for example has more viewers than CNN/MSNBC and other mainstream media sites combined. I think for the most part his supporters find the outrage of the left media amusing, the same media who were acting like shills during the election campaign to get his opponent elected. It's hard to take them seriously knowing their stance on Trump. His support for the most part is widespread across the country imo. States like California oppose him.

    The tax returns point is a valid one, should have released it before the primaries and explained as a business man he exploited the system, he's left it linger now far too long that it's going to be a pain in the side for the rest of his term. Definitely a mistake but he's under no legal duty to release them.


  • #3141
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    Well it does, you went on a rant about Republicans and Obama. There was a fairly large scale flip in blue counties to red this election, which would indicate the support of the democratic party isn't as strong as people suspected, on top of that they've lost over 1000 seats during Obama's terms in charge.

    Something is failing and they need to figure out what's wrong instead of shouting racist or organizing marches lead by a Woman who supports Sharia Law. I don't think that's going to win back Women voters that supported Trump, it will only turn more away. Triggered isn't the word I'd use to describe my feelings when I see things like that, worried would be a better word.

    I don't really see Trump supporters having a tough time, Fox news for example has more viewers than CNN/NBC and other mainstream media sites combined. I think for the most part his supporters find the outrage of the left media amusing, the same media who were acting like shills during the election campaign to get his opponent elected. It's hard to take them seriously knowing their stance on Trump. His support for the most part is widespread across the country imo. States like California oppose him.

    The tax returns point is a valid one, should have released it before the primaries and explained as a business man he exploited the system, he's left it linger now far too long that it's going to be a pain in the side for the rest of his term. Definitely a mistake but he's under no legal duty to release them.

    That's wrong. Fox News comes nowhere near CBS, NBC or ABC when it comes to news viewers.


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  • #3142
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That's wrong. Fox News comes nowhere near CBS, NBC or ABC when it comes to news viewers.

    Ah now it's an alternative truth ;)


  • #3143
    Little CuChulainn
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,624 ✭✭✭Little CuChulainn


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That's wrong. Fox News comes nowhere near CBS, NBC or ABC when it comes to news viewers.

    It's not wrong, it's an alternative fact.


  • #3144
    Hank Scorpio
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,631 ✭✭✭✭Hank Scorpio


    Professor Moriarty wrote: »
    That's wrong. Fox News comes nowhere near CBS, NBC or ABC when it comes to news viewers.

    CNN and msNBC is what I meant to write, I've edited my post. Those two by far are his biggest critics, and were the networks with the most collusion during the election campaign.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/315510-inauguration-day-ratings-fox-triples-cnn-msnbc-combined

    https://www.yahoo.com/tv/cable-ratings-fox-news-beats-cnn-msnbc-combined-183335546.html


  • #3145
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Hey this is like when my child is in a race and doesn't win, he's now an alternative winner!

    Hilary is the alternative president! The unemployed have alternative jobs! The dead are alternatively alive yadda yadda :)

    The Trump administration, the gift that keeps on giving. I suppose you could say they are alternatively competent ;)


  • #3146
    Professor Moriarty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,394 ✭✭✭✭Professor Moriarty


    Hank Scorpio wrote: »
    CNN and msNBC is what I meant to write, I've edited my post. Those two by far are his biggest critics, and were the networks with the most collusion during the election campaign.

    http://thehill.com/homenews/media/315510-inauguration-day-ratings-fox-triples-cnn-msnbc-combined

    Trump's problem will be NBC, CBS and ABC. If they decide to join in with CNN, Huff, NY Times., Washington Post etc. in placing little faith in 'press briefings' (like the one we saw yesterday) and instead focus on Trump, his cronies and their actions, then Trump's administration will be picked apart.


  • #3147
    B0jangles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭B0jangles


    Remember when Trump claimed to have gotten a standing ovation when he mad his speech at the CIA?

    Apparently the applause was entirely from his own travelling claque.

    https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/823309024896618500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    and just for fun, final metro numbers for various occasions compared; Trumps inauguration came behind 'ordinary weekday'

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/823251837562290176/photo/1

    Sad!


  • #3148
    gandalf
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    B0jangles wrote: »
    Trumps inauguration came behind 'ordinary weekday'

    That's pretty bad alright cause President Ordinary-Weekday is not loved by the electorate at all :D


  • #3149
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    If I was Average Wednesday I'd be worried about my emails being hacked right now.


  • #3150
    BBDBB
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,899 ✭✭✭✭BBDBB


    People keep comparing Trump to Hitler, they are wrong, he's much more like Stalin with the travelling flunkies who give him a standing ovation where ever he goes



    B0jangles wrote: »
    Remember when Trump claimed to have gotten a standing ovation when he mad his speech at the CIA?

    Apparently the applause was entirely from his own travelling claque.

    https://twitter.com/JoyAnnReid/status/823309024896618500?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

    and just for fun, final metro numbers for various occasions compared; Trumps inauguration came behind 'ordinary weekday'

    https://twitter.com/joshtpm/status/823251837562290176/photo/1

    Sad!


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  • #3151
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    BBDBB wrote: »
    People keep comparing Trump to Hitler, they are wrong, he's much more like Stalin with the travelling flunkies who give him a standing ovation where ever he goes

    or a capitalist Fidal Castro ?


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