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Why firearms are so strictly controlled in Ireland and UK
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That's what I am saying, require strict vetting before being able to purchase a firearm.
We have this. It can be a PITA to get a license for s firearm.But occurred to shoot innocent birds or other animals in Ireland? As I am only aware of hunting licenses in Ireland.
As has been said, we can get licenses for target practice, but range membership is generally required.Little CuChulainn wrote: »Nothing stopping you shooting watermelons as long as you have a bit of land or are in a shooting club.
The law says otherwise. Target practice is only permitted at an authorised range. This includes zeroing for accurancy. Having hundreds of acres of land won't lawfully allow someone to shoot a single shot from a rifle, or pistol unless it's on a range. A shotgun however
uptherebels wrote: »Imagine living next to a guy that spends all day shooting targets, the other side of your garden.
Obviously depending on the amount of land, if it was set up safely and only a .22 calibre rifle was used with sub sonic ammo and a moderator/silencer, it wouldn't be bothersome. But its not legal, so mute point.mikeoneilly wrote: »Some people keep them loaded beside the bed
We call them criminals.In reality though, few people actually keep guns at home, and if they do, they aren't allowed keep ammo.
True that not many people keep them at home. A few thousand licensed people do. And keeping ammo at home is usually part of it, which is perfectly legal as long as you keep to the requirements set out on the license.WoolyJumper wrote: »If you get your jollies from shooting a cardboard man or a piece of fruit, fine but do it in the safety of a shooting range.
Not allowed to shoot targets in the shape of a person. The range owners might also take isuue with fruit getting blasted all day. No need to invite vermin, even if you have the means to take them out.
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MyStubbleItches wrote: »No, your interpretation is that I suggest the death penalty for theft. I absolutely do not so please don't twist my words. A penalty for theft would be nice, however.
Well you did say this;MyStubbleItches wrote: »They lose all rights when they decide it's ok to just take what you work hard for.
It's quite suggestive, and life is a right too, no? Or is that excluded in this case. Would they have a right to a fair trial or would you take that from them on the basis that they invaded your home?MyStubbleItches wrote: »You won't necessarily be a murderer, that law has changed. I agree, having a gun solely for defence is a ridiculous notion. I owned a gun in the past and it scared the shīt out of me. It's a tool that was designed with one purpose in mind, there is no getting away from that.
The law states that you are able to use reasonable force to defend your home. It doesn't give you the right to kill. I suggest you check out the details of that law a little more
Why would you buy something that scares the shít out of you? Odd.0 -
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Howard Red Explorer wrote: »The law states that you are able to use reasonable force to defend your home. It doesn't give you the right to kill. I suggest you check out the details of that law a little more
I'd imagine the only time you could reasonably kill someone would be if they also had a gun and were threatening you and your family.
How often has something like that happened in Ireland? Once a year, if even? Not worth arming the country over anyhow.0 -
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Howard Red Explorer wrote: »Well you did say this;
It's quite suggestive, and life is a right too, no? Or is that excluded in this case. Would they have a right to a fair trial or would you take that from them on the basis that they invaded your home?
The law states that you are able to use reasonable force to defend your home. It doesn't give you the right to kill. I suggest you check out the details of that law a little more
Why would you buy something that scares the shít out of you? Odd.
I'm on a phone and I'm not that good on tech anyway so please excuse my inability to quote/edit.
To your first point; Do you realise that there is a difference between the death penalty and impulsive reaction? That kind of responds to your second point too, I think.
To your third point; again you're trying to twist words (may I be so bold as to suggest that if you want to debate then you should do so on your own abilities), what I said was that you one not necessarily be a murderer in the eyes of the law. I certainly did not suggest that one would have the right to kill. I find that notion disgusting, that any one being would have 'a right' to kill another. So please take your own advice and read up on the law that you are evidently no more familiar with than I am.
To your final point; I didn't know that a gun would scare the shít out of me. It's like food, I don't generally know how I'll find a food that I've never tasted before until I taste it. But you know that already, don't you? it's Sunday night, you're bored. I understand.0 -
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Umm.. No, it's not. Homicide, no matter the weapon used, is considered either justified or not justified. Nobody has every been done in for an otherwise lawful killing in self defense purely because he used a firearm. He may be done in for illegal ownership of a firearm, storage of a firearm, or even murder if it was not justifiable, but there is no crime of 'murder with a firearm,'
"Defending yourself with a gun" is also quite rightly considered murder in this country. Nobody has the right to take your stuff, but the criminal still has infinitely more right to life than you do to have a TV.
As to the OP, he does raise a good point. Of all the things I've shot at with a firearm, from paper to people, I don't think I've ever had a crack at a watermelon. I have no idea how I have managed to miss this life achievement. I shall go to the grocery store Friday week, I think I have a Saturday free...People having guns in a conflict dramatically increases the likelihood of someone getting killed - ie. If you try to defend yourself with a gun then you're more likely to die.
Someone, yes. But who? Quoting a report the CDC commissioned after Obama told them to look into it
"Studies that directly assessed the effect of actual defensive uses of guns (i.e., incidents in which a gun was ‘used’ by the crime victim in the sense of attacking or threatening an offender) have found consistently lower injury rates among gun-using crime victims compared with victims who used other self-protective strategies"
https://www.nationalacademies.org/hmd/~/media/Files/Report Files/2013/Firearm-Violence/FirearmViolence_RB.pdf
KingBrian said he'd rather trust a monkey with a gun?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhxqIITtTtUShould be relaxed, let's take a look at our European friends such as Germany and Switzerland, soldiers after serving get to keep their firearms at their homes in Switzerland and it is one of the safest countries in the world.
In reality though, few people actually keep guns at home, and if they do, they aren't allowed keep ammo.
With regards Switzerland, that's a common misconception. They are allowed keep privately purchased ammunition at home. Government-issued ammunition is no longer permitted to be stored at home, and government-subsidised training ammunition must be used on the range when purchased, but non-government ammunition for privately owned firearms (or service weapons, or ex-service weapons purchased by the soldier upon release) is not subject to these restrictions.0 -
The law says otherwise. Target practice is only permitted at an authorised range. This includes zeroing for accurancy. Having hundreds of acres of land won't lawfully allow someone to shoot a single shot from a rifle, or pistol unless it's on a range. A shotgun however
Where does the law say that?I really do envy most of the posters on this thread, they obviously have never had to deal with the dregs of society. I was attacked last week in my on front garden, the 1st page of this thread contains my post quoted from that thread.I sit here now at 140 am, unable to sleep. My diet is liquid for the next 6-8 weeks, am on a variety of tablets for pain and swelling and I am waiting.
I am waiting for the scum to fulfill their promise of coming back to burn down my house, kill my family etc etc. I have been there and done that before, I suffered for many years while living in another location and now it seems like history will repeat itself. Just like serial criminals I know that there are serial victims, I know cos I have been one all my life.
My biggest regret from last week is that I let them walk away, scot free, to come back when they feel like it to terrorise us. Hold your moral high ground folks, just know that some of us down here in the gutter are afraid for our children,our wives,our lives. If they come back I have no means to defend myself. But if I get the chance, if luck is on my side for once, then keyboard warrior BS goes out the window and I will make them pay. I will make the purge look like a damn disney cartoon to protect those I love.
Its not about shooting watermelons, its about being able to live in safety, without fear.
It's not a question of moral high ground. What would you actually have done with a gun last week? You went after them. Would you have brought the gun with you? Would you have gunned them down over a wing mirror? What if you'd been wrong about who did the damage?0 -
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