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BorneTobyWilde · 22-01-2017 05:28PM

SILVAMAN wrote: »

US women throw down the gauntlet to Trump and the new administration. Fascinating speech given by Ashley Judd

Could such a speech ever be delivered outside Dail Eireann?

Needs to played at 1.5 speed for best effect

MightyMandarin · 22-01-2017 05:28PM

There's only one way to describe that speech by Josef Goeb....eh I mean Kellyane Conway.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublespeak

22-01-2017 05:32PM

Deleted User wrote: »

It's quite interesting actually. America cares more about the inauguration crowd than the abysmal voter turnout.

One thing that stands out about Trump voters is that many who voted for him, would keep a low profile due to the fact that Washington is a mainly democrat city. Plus the fact that it's a long way to drive the pickup from the Red states to get there and risk a hostile reception on arrival.

orubiru · 22-01-2017 05:32PM

Fleawuss wrote: »

Priebus now attacks saying that the media are attempting to deligitimise Trump by talking about inauguration numbers. They're going to fight the media. I think the USA is beginning to reap the divisions sown for years by extremists. This is going to lead to unknown places: free speech will be threatened and the Union itself will be questioned.

I think I'll save the money I had for popcorn. The world is gone mad.

How much influence do the press and the mainstream media actually have?

Does making statements to the media that are deliberately false have the effect of forcing people online to check the facts for themselves? Potentially exposing them to "alternative facts".

If Trump's press team says "we had 2 million people there" and NBC says "no you didn't" then the viewer is actually forced to go elsewhere to get some confirmation? Eventually you're not going to bother with mainstream media as it just looks like the same people arguing the same points round and round endlessly.

I guess I am asking if this is a deliberate attempt to undermine traditional media or is it just a natural side effect in a world where Twitter and Facebook and Reddit are so popular?

22-01-2017 05:42PM

Just seen this quote on another site!

Trump has only been president for one day and has already made the nation healthier. Trump has gotten more fat women walking in one day than Michelle Obama did in eight years.

jobbridge4life · 22-01-2017 05:46PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just seen this quote on another site!

Stay classy...

Meanwhile it is true that Trump achieved something yesterday. The largest one day protest in US history. How's that for a movement Donald?

Fleawuss · 22-01-2017 05:49PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Just seen this quote on another site!

If you've seen that one I'm sure you saw the other one which went roughly " I'd call you a cnut Donald but they have more depth and warmth."

I'm supplying this for balance you understand.

BabyCheeses · 22-01-2017 05:50PM

RobertKK wrote: »

The electoral college system will remain as long as the US is a federal nation, each state having their own laws and taxes on top of federal law and taxes.
The electoral college makes each state relevant.

No it doesn't. It makes swing states relevant while making republicans in California and democrats in Kansas votes worthless.

orubiru · 22-01-2017 05:52PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Women just can't win.

If they protest for women's rights they're maligned for selfishness. "Where was the feminist outrage when X?"
If they protest for social justice for others they're stealing someone's victimhood.

I don't even know what the false accusations of rape at the end refer to in this case. I'm surprised you didn't mention the family court.

In this case though they are effectively hijacking someone else's victimhood.

Look, let's say you organize a march and call it the "Women's March". The people who organised this march have chosen to focus on gender and that's probably OK, they have that right.

They have chosen to have a strong focus on one specific gender WHY then make the issue of imprisonment and police violence about "black people" when the reality of that situation is that black men are the primary demographic who are suffering there?

Over 90% of the civilians shot by police in the USA are men but men are approximately 50% of the population, right? Is this not massively disproportionate?

Look, I do not agree with identity politics at all. If I did though then it makes sense that when something disproportionately affects women then you focus on women. It also makes sense that when something disproportionately affects a particular race you focus on that race.

When something disproportionately affects men then NOW I'm just going to abandon my identity politics to turn around and say it affects all people?

Hank Scorpio · 22-01-2017 05:54PM

Did the co-chair and organizer of the Woman's march really write this?

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/823152714049732610

https://twitter.com/RitaPanahi/status/823070612570574848

Permabear · 22-01-2017 05:55PM

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jobbridge4life · 22-01-2017 06:01PM

Permabear wrote: »

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That's why used his audience with the CIA to boast about his inaugural attendance figures? Say he was in a war with the media?

That's why his press secretary lost it at a press conference, bleating in the most whingey, moany, losery way about unfair coverage?

That's why Trump tweeted attacking the marches.

You may have fallen for the Trump as super genius line but the facts (not 'alternative facts') speak for themselves.

namloc1980 · 22-01-2017 06:06PM

orubiru wrote: »

"Alternative Facts"

...

I don't even know what to think of this. I think it's all over folks.

Alternative. Facts. :eek:

We can see where this presidency will go. Blatant lies will be presented as "alternative facts". Trump fans won't care though, in fact they'll lap it up.

Permabear · 22-01-2017 06:07PM

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orubiru · 22-01-2017 06:13PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

Did the co-chair and organizer of the Woman's march really write this?

Wouldn't be too surprised. This is the flaw with Intersectional Theory.

You can only really have one oppressor class.

jobbridge4life · 22-01-2017 06:16PM

Permabear wrote: »

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Yes of course, and the comparatively small crowds that turned out to his inauguration was actually exactly what Trump wanted because small crowds are actually a sign that people assumed so many people would turn out that they thought they wouldn't be able to get a space.

And losing the popular vote by a significant margin was actually also exactly what Trump wanted because squares are circles if you squint long enough.

And facts are lies and truth is alternative facts if you think about it long enough that all words become meaningless.

Trump wins bigly. Period. Even when he doesn't, he definitely does.

Hank Scorpio · 22-01-2017 06:17PM

If those tweets from Rita Panahi are true the organizer of the Women's march is pro Sharia law, the exact opposite of Women's rights. Are the people marching living in cloud cuckoo land?

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/822947381062893574

Harry Palmr · 22-01-2017 06:18PM

I think an active boycott of the press office is a perfectly reasonable tactic, if he wants a war - don't give him one. Just make sure the actual Trump policies and decisions are carefully scrutinised

jobbridge4life · 22-01-2017 06:18PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

We can see where this presidency will go. Blatant lies will be presented as "alternative facts". Trump fans won't care though, in fact they'll lap it up.

The speed at which previously reasonable people have become 'true believers' is genuinely disturbing.

Trent Houseboat · 22-01-2017 06:23PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

If those tweets from Rita Panahi are true the organizer of the Women's march is pro Sharia law, the exact opposite of Women's rights. Are the people marching living in cloud cuckoo land?

Swing and a miss hank.
She is not the movement, this isn't the Cult of Linda akin to the Cult of Trump we see sweeping America.

All of Trump's supporters are pro Trump all of his detractors are not pro linda. False dichotomy.

Hank Scorpio · 22-01-2017 06:28PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Swing and a miss hank.
She is not the movement, this isn't the Cult of Rita akin to the Cult of Trump we see sweeping America.

All of Trump's supporters are pro Trump all of his detractors are not pro Rita. False dichotomy.

LOL the organizer of the Women's right march is pro Sharia Law.

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598327052727615488

RobertKK · 22-01-2017 06:28PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Swing and a miss hank.
She is not the movement, this isn't the Cult of Rita akin to the Cult of Trump we see sweeping America.

All of Trump's supporters are pro Trump all of his detractors are not pro Rita. False dichotomy.

Some of the people who supported Trump disliked Clinton more.

They were the most unpopular duo of candidates ever.

RobertKK · 22-01-2017 06:29PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

LOL the organizer of the Women's right march is pro Sharia Law.

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598327052727615488

She must have an awful lot of debt.

Igotadose · 22-01-2017 06:30PM

Trent Houseboat wrote: »

Swing and a miss hank.
She is not the movement, this isn't the Cult of Rita akin to the Cult of Trump we see sweeping America.

All of Trump's supporters are pro Trump all of his detractors are not pro Rita. False dichotomy.

Listening to one of the video clips on the Twitter site and looking at Rita Sarsours web page, she makes good points about the states with the "anti-Sharia" statutes. Doesn't seem like a fire-breathing extremist to me, not like, say, the odious lying skank Gateway Pundit who is fobbing this off as news.

States with 'ban sharia' statutes make the US even more of a joke than it is and its depressing that states with all these horrible problems (as described in President Trump's speech) thought curtailing religious liberty an important enough agenda item to spend valuable taxpayer dollars passing such laws.

Trent Houseboat · 22-01-2017 06:31PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

LOL the organizer of the Women's right march is pro Sharia Law.

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598327052727615488

LOL at your attempt to poison the well.

Hank Scorpio · 22-01-2017 06:31PM

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598326262218813440

jobbridge4life · 22-01-2017 06:33PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Some of the people who supported Trump disliked Clinton more.

They were the most unpopular duo of candidates ever.

She got the second highest amount of votes ever of any Presidential candidate. She got the highest number of votes of any white candidate ever.
She got three million votes more than Donald. (albeit losing the election)

Of course this was all part of Donald's plot.

Meanwhile Donald enters the presidency with the lowest approval for a president ever.

Also part of Donald's plot.

Igotadose · 22-01-2017 06:34PM

RobertKK wrote: »

Some of the people who supported Trump disliked Clinton more.

They were the most unpopular duo of candidates ever.

True, but that invalidates nothing Trent posted.

The Trump supporter that mattered most was Putin, and he clearly disliked and to a large degree feared Trump's opponent, but per Mod guidelines the campaign is over and lets move on, the thread's arced to claims about ONE of the Women's march organizers, and I have to say, they did a really impressive job organizing it, heck, they got WAY more people to show up than did for the Inauguration the day before, despite not having much time and having no sway with the National Parks service who dole out the permits.

Leroy42 · 22-01-2017 06:34PM

Hank, you do know that agreeing with someone on one particular issue does not automatically mean you agree on everything?

The march was an anti Trump march, not a pro Muslim or Sharia Law march.

Perhaps if politics didn't take such a black or white view on everything as you seem to be doing we would be in a better place.

Igotadose · 22-01-2017 06:35PM

Hank Scorpio wrote: »

https://twitter.com/lsarsour/status/598326262218813440

Now, Hank, do you think that, perhaps, she was being a bit sarcastic? It is a tweet, I think it'd rile up the "Sharia is taking over the US" crowd like your Gateway Pundit hero

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