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Billy86 · 22-01-2017 04:30AM

BabyCheeses wrote: »

Trumo rallies: Wow, look how many support him!

Anything else: Well they don't have jobs to do so it is easy for them!

I'm sure you can provide statistic for how many of them didn't have a job? It is even better because one of the main reasons for voting Trump was for ****ing jobs!

now lets see if Trump can oversee the creation of 13mn of them in between twitter rants.

BabyCheeses · 22-01-2017 04:42AM

Billy86 wrote: »

now lets see if Trump can oversee the creation of 13mn of them in between twitter rants.

No point, why would he create jobs for liberal Clinton supporters? All the Trump supporters are busy making cars and working in the mines.

22-01-2017 05:04AM

Billy86 wrote: »

now lets see if Trump can oversee the creation of 13mn of them in between twitter rants.

9.3 million.. Or 14 million since the lowest point a while into his presidency which should give you some hint of why the figures are so big.

Expecting Trump to beat the recovery of a battered economy like Obama oversaw, and was not even directly responsible for, through an age where everyone sees automation taking away jobs, will lead you to disappointment and needless anger at Trump.

There are plenty of things to pick at when talking about Trump but the fact is that the American economy is pretty much at full employment and machines are now starting to have an effect.

InTheTrees · 22-01-2017 05:17AM

I read that there were seven hundred and fifty thousand people at the march in los Angeles.

Amazing.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 05:24AM

People are incredibly ignorant of history and it's one of the reasons history tends to repeat itself.

Nobody living in the newly unified Germany from 1871 to 1891 could have predicted less than 50 years later the country would be ruled by a Nazi dictator who would rule by fear and instigate war & mass-murder.

In fact, the mere idea would have been scoffed at and ridiculed; yet as history unfolded, Otto von Bismarck's legacy of maintaining peace through diplomacy would be shattered by the rise of the Third Reich.

Nowadays, if anybody suggests that America could go the same way as Germany did, people would laugh and ridicule the concept.

I firmly believe Donald Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. I firmly believe he has surrounded himself with power hungry, right-wing lapdogs. I believe he is going to fill the military structure, courts and government with similar types.

More than anything, I believe there is not a hope in hell of a peaceful transition of power should Trump lose the 2020 election.

Yeah, I'm sure that statement will be laughed at and scoffed but Germany proved no nation is too entrenched in values to go the complete opposite way.

A narcissistic sociopath surrounded by sycophants with the strong support of the military is a dangerous individual.

The GOP can't (and won't) check Trump. The Democrats can't do it.

Reality matters little to Trump, perception of reality matters a lot. His Cult of white folks are longing for the old days where white people had all the land, jobs and opportunities.

The divide between left and right isn't just widening - It has become a paradigm shift between realities.

Today was Sean Spicers first task. All he had to do, and this was really simple, was come out and say the inauguration crowd was massive and it doesn't matter if it was bigger or smaller than Obama or Bush or Kennedy's for that matter.

Instead he came out refusing to take questions and telling a lie with a straight face and threatening the media.

One of the roles of the media in a free society is to hold government accountable. It is 100% not the role of government to hold a free press accountable - that's the job of the courts and why we have libel and slander on statutes.

If Day 1 brings such brazen propaganda and lies over such a trivial issue, it's beyond certain that no semblance of reality will emerge from the White House.

Unemployment numbers will be fiddled. Crime numbers will be fiddled. Which, for sure, is a claim already thrown against most administrations. The difference here is that Trump will not only have the numbers fiddled but also flat out add his own number on top. He might end up creating 7 million job and send Spicer out to say it was 19 million. Period.

These are dangerous times. The joke is over. Anybody not seeing this for what it really is needs to go look through a history book and see how dictatorships start.

Trump can, and likely will, leave the world looking a very bleak, dark, violent place. And we will only truly realize that in 2017 we were nowhere near rock bottom in that respect.

22-01-2017 05:25AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

I read that there were seven hundred and fifty thousand people at the march in los Angeles.

Amazing.

Not surprising. Nearly 1.3 million of her 2.9 million popular vote lead came from Los Angeles alone.

22-01-2017 05:28AM

wonderfullife, get a hold of yourself. That's pure and absolute hysteria with no basis in reality.

The American system has checks and balances to stop what you're describing. He's been in power, what, two days? "Hitler! Nazis! The Dems and Reds can't stop him!"

Such godawful mania.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 05:29AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Not surprising. Nearly 1.3 million of her 2.9 million popular vote lead came from Los Angeles alone.

I love the way you try to imply that somehow matters and Californians aren't real people.

So bloody what if they live in L.A.? They're still Americans with the same value of a vote as a hick living in the rural rust-belts.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 05:30AM

Deleted User wrote: »

wonderfullife, get a hold of yourself. That's pure and absolute hysteria with no basis in reality.

The American system has checks and balances to stop what you're describing. He's been in power, what, two days? "Hitler! Nazis! The Dems and Reds can't stop him!"

Such godawful mania.

I'd have told you to get hold of yourself if you told me in 2014 that Trump could be President of USA.

I'll revisit my post in 4 years. You can quote me on it.

22-01-2017 05:39AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I love the way you try to imply that somehow matters and Californians aren't real people.

So bloody what if they live in L.A.? They're still Americans with the same value of a vote as a hick living in the rural rust-belts.

Since you now believe Ireland should have a popular vote for our Taoiseach, or our President should be the most powerful politician, how do you defend Dublin having so much sway and influence? I would be against such a system and think you're short-sighted for supporting it in Ireland.

Seriously, defend it or drop it.

And go learn what hick and rust belt means. Hick is south and rust belt is north east.

22-01-2017 05:40AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I'd have told you to get hold of yourself if you told me in 2014 that Trump could be President of USA.

I'll revisit my post in 4 years. You can quote me on it.

Fine, you do that when you come out of your doomsday shelter.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 05:44AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Since you now believe Ireland should have a popular vote for our Taoiseach, or our President should be the most powerful politician, how do you defend Dublin having so much sway and influence? I would be against such a system and think you're short-sighted for supporting it in Ireland.

Seriously, defend it or drop it.

And go learn what hick and rust belt means. Hick is south and rust belt is north east.

I believe in a democracy where it doesn't matter where you live in a country - your vote should count for one vote and be respected as the one vote it was.

1.9 million votes in California for Hillary is just as equal to 1.9 million votes for Trump scattered across 10 states.

The point isn't where all these people live or the political leanings of their inhabitants in the area. They are all Americans.

Deleted User wrote: »

Fine, you do that when you come out of your doomsday shelter.

I'd rather live in a doomsday shelter than listen to any more tripe defending Trump which is all you seem to know how to do.........

InTheTrees · 22-01-2017 05:48AM

Deleted User wrote: »

InTheTrees wrote: »

I read that there were seven hundred and fifty thousand people at the march in los Angeles.

Amazing.

Not surprising. Nearly 1.3 million of her 2.9 million popular vote lead came from Los Angeles alone.

Also over a hundred and fifty thousand in Seattle too.

Chicago was the largest though, close to a million. apparently the entire city was so packed with people they couldnt march. The streets were full, there was nowhere to go.

over three million took to the streets in the USA today.

I was in vancouver where there were close to 30,000.

22-01-2017 05:53AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

I believe in a democracy where it doesn't matter where you live in a country - your vote should count for one vote and be respected as the one vote it was.

I'd rather live in a doomsday shelter than listen to any more tripe defending Trump which is all you seem to know how to do.........

Well thankfully, most democracies around the world don't have their most powerful politician picked the way you think is best. The rest of us can look past Trump and see that overall, the system is best.

And you talk of Nazis but lambast me for "defending Trump"? The irony is absolutely amazing. Apart from the fact that I've been defending REASON against people like you for months, you not wanting to listen to anyone with an opposing mindset is the exact America you're afraid of developing.

I come in here knowing I'll have to set the record straight on all this hysteria whereas you come in and get upset that I don't agree with you.

22-01-2017 05:54AM

InTheTrees wrote: »

Also over a hundred and fifty thousand in Seattle too.

Chicago was the largest though, close to a million. apparently the entire city was so packed with people they couldnt march. The streets were full, there was nowhere to go.

over three million took to the streets in the USA today.

I was in vancouver where there were close to 30,000.

I really don't see how it matters. People hate Trump. So what? It's not like he usurped power. He was voted in.

22-01-2017 06:00AM

http://i.imgur.com/E7dfj1a.jpg

Nice to see you guys so proud of your protestors who can't even clean up after themselves. Litter and violence to protest the evil Trump.

InTheTrees · 22-01-2017 06:11AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I really don't see how it matters. People hate Trump. So what? It's not like he usurped power. He was voted in.

Well. It's politics. It's about people and their relationships.

The executive branch needs the support of the legislative branch who are up for election in two years and will need the support of the people.

Additionally the press needs to know that it shouldn't be intimidated by the administration, the cackling of the trumptards is not the majority.

It's also a message to trump. Even though his narcissistic personality doesn't allow for self criticism.

InTheTrees · 22-01-2017 06:13AM

Deleted User wrote: »

Nice to see you guys so proud of your protestors who can't even clean up after themselves. Litter and violence to protest the evil Trump.

Litter? Lol!

The country is going down the toilet and you're worried about litter.

22-01-2017 07:13AM

And it looks like the TPP is gone.

My selfish reason for wanting Trump to win.. My 26-year-old Vietnamese girlfriend, who is on five different tablets every day for the rest of her life for Lupus Nephritis won't get stung here with higher prices and a bigger delay for generics.

Every cloud and all that.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 07:37AM

Deleted User wrote: »

And you talk of Nazis but lambast me for "defending Trump"? The irony is absolutely amazing. Apart from the fact that I've been defending REASON against people like you for months, you not wanting to listen to anyone with an opposing mindset is the exact America you're afraid of developing.

I come in here knowing I'll have to set the record straight on all this hysteria whereas you come in and get upset that I don't agree with you.

You've been championing Trump as some renegade who is going to turn Washington upside down and look to increase the prosperity of "ordinary" Middle America.

Yet the first Executive Order he signed was to reverse Obama's decision to cut Federal Mortgage Insurance by 0.25%.

For months he promised people like you (deluded idiots) that on Day 1 he would begin the process of locking Hillary up, draining a swamp and bringing back jobs to ordinary American people.

Yet in reality he did none of that and the first action he took will directly affect many Americans to the tune of $450 a year. That's the amount the average American looking to buy a new home would have saved with the 0.25% reduction.

You're right - In general I have no time nor patience for respecting the opinions of white nationalist xenophobic trash, nor should their opinions be respected. I have no time for people who think it's ok to sexually abuse women either.

Bottom line, I've been more than willing to see what Trump DOES as opposed to what Trump SAYS.

One day in I've seen enough. He gets his Press Secretary to look like Goebbels on cocaine and lie through his teeth. His first targeted executive order is directly aimed at making it more difficult for low-income Americans to buy a home.

I'm not hanging around to "reason" with people like you defending this sociopath. Thankfully, it looks like the majority of the global media and majority of Americans are not going to either.

22-01-2017 08:07AM

wonderfullife, I've repeatedly called Trump a retard and have said I'm happy for him to mess it all up.

Since I'm not an American voter, I'm not Bernie or Bust. As a critic of both Clinton and Trump though, I can't help but think they got what they deserved.

Why shouldn't I come here and bring some balance and argument? The thread would be pretty boring if it was all just feverish anti-Trump rhetoric filled with lies and high fives.

Igotadose · 22-01-2017 08:29AM

I just don't get it. Huge turnouts in the marches worldwide against Trump, yet, he won.... Something's wrong here.

Well, tune in, in 2018 for the next round of elections. That theory that Obama should run for Congress and get elected Speaker, should the Democrats prevail in the House, is sure sounding more viable.

Or maybe Michelle Obama runs, get some practice prior to POTUS 2020.

wonderfullife · 22-01-2017 08:41AM

Deleted User wrote: »

wonderfullife, I've repeatedly called Trump a retard and have said I'm happy for him to mess it all up.

Since I'm not an American voter, I'm not Bernie or Bust. As a critic of both Clinton and Trump though, I can't help but think they got what they deserved.

Why shouldn't I come here and bring some balance and argument? The thread would be pretty boring if it was all just feverish anti-Trump rhetoric filled with lies and high fives.

That's your perception.

It's anti-Trump rhetoric grounded in reality and facts. I've hit you with a quick fact above which you ignored. His first Executive Order stripped back the 0.25% Federal Mortgage Insurance cut that Obama put in place.

His first action was to cost middle-class-America $450 a YEAR for buying a new home.

If you were truly bringing "balance" to the debate you would say:

"That's interesting. That wasn't one of the 64 promises he made during the campaign of things he would do on Day 1. In fact, it wasn't one of his promises at all and is going to make it more difficult for ordinary people to afford mortgages".

Your idea of "balance" is to come across as a Trump-nut staying silent on facts and just attacking "liberals".

My idea of "balance" is to praise Trump if/when he does good stuff. If he manages to repeal and replace Obamacare with something awesome he'll get tons of praise here.

22-01-2017 08:54AM

wonderfullife wrote: »

That's your perception.

It's anti-Trump rhetoric grounded in reality and facts. I've hit you with a quick fact above which you ignored. His first Executive Order stripped back the 0.25% Federal Mortgage Insurance cut that Obama put in place.

His first action was to cost middle-class-America $450 a YEAR for buying a new home.

If you were truly bringing "balance" to the debate you would say:

"That's interesting. That wasn't one of the 64 promises he made during the campaign of things he would do on Day 1. In fact, it wasn't one of his promises at all and is going to make it more difficult for ordinary people to afford mortgages".

Your idea of "balance" is to come across as a Trump-nut staying silent on facts and just attacking "liberals".

My idea of "balance" is to praise Trump if/when he does good stuff. If he manages to repeal and replace Obamacare with something awesome he'll get tons of praise here.

I really think you're mistaking me for someone else.. I'm more left or liberal than just about anyone I know.

And apologies, I'm on my phone at a cafe and can't come back with stuff on every single thing that people say. I'm not going to sit here and that about 0.25% differences in mortgage rates or some $450 charge when buying a new house. I'm pointing out ridiculous claims and half-truths.

If not blindly agreeing with the crap I read in here makes me a Trump-nut, so be it. Thinking that me not agreeing with all of this stuff makes me a Trump-nut is the exact shỉt that will tear America apart.

Go back through my posts and find where I'm being crazy or unreasonable.. I'm sure there are some but you'll mostly find a reasonable approach to what's happening. Compare how I'm approaching this with what you wrote a page or two back.. The below is absolutely ridiculous. You weren't talking about 0.25% mortgage stuff there.. Just straight up Nazi and Dictatorship nonsense.

People are incredibly ignorant of history and it's one of the reasons history tends to repeat itself.

Nobody living in the newly unified Germany from 1871 to 1891 could have predicted less than 50 years later the country would be ruled by a Nazi dictator who would rule by fear and instigate war & mass-murder.

In fact, the mere idea would have been scoffed at and ridiculed; yet as history unfolded, Otto von Bismarck's legacy of maintaining peace through diplomacy would be shattered by the rise of the Third Reich.

Nowadays, if anybody suggests that America could go the same way as Germany did, people would laugh and ridicule the concept.

I firmly believe Donald Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. I firmly believe he has surrounded himself with power hungry, right-wing lapdogs. I believe he is going to fill the military structure, courts and government with similar types.

More than anything, I believe there is not a hope in hell of a peaceful transition of power should Trump lose the 2020 election.

Yeah, I'm sure that statement will be laughed at and scoffed but Germany proved no nation is too entrenched in values to go the complete opposite way.

A narcissistic sociopath surrounded by sycophants with the strong support of the military is a dangerous individual.

The GOP can't (and won't) check Trump. The Democrats can't do it.

Reality matters little to Trump, perception of reality matters a lot. His Cult of white folks are longing for the old days where white people had all the land, jobs and opportunities.

The divide between left and right isn't just widening - It has become a paradigm shift between realities.

Today was Sean Spicers first task. All he had to do, and this was really simple, was come out and say the inauguration crowd was massive and it doesn't matter if it was bigger or smaller than Obama or Bush or Kennedy's for that matter.

Instead he came out refusing to take questions and telling a lie with a straight face and threatening the media.

One of the roles of the media in a free society is to hold government accountable. It is 100% not the role of government to hold a free press accountable - that's the job of the courts and why we have libel and slander on statutes.

If Day 1 brings such brazen propaganda and lies over such a trivial issue, it's beyond certain that no semblance of reality will emerge from the White House.

Unemployment numbers will be fiddled. Crime numbers will be fiddled. Which, for sure, is a claim already thrown against most administrations. The difference here is that Trump will not only have the numbers fiddled but also flat out add his own number on top. He might end up creating 7 million job and send Spicer out to say it was 19 million. Period.

These are dangerous times. The joke is over. Anybody not seeing this for what it really is needs to go look through a history book and see how dictatorships start.

Trump can, and likely will, leave the world looking a very bleak, dark, violent place. And we will only truly realize that in 2017 we were nowhere near rock bottom in that respect.

Seriously like, you're criticising me for not coming back with balanced conversation about mortgage rates.

Calahonda52 · 22-01-2017 09:03AM

Deleted User wrote: »

....

I come in here knowing I'll have to set the record straight on all this hysteria ....

And you actually believe you are setting the record straight? No wonder He wept.

22-01-2017 09:23AM

Calahonda52 wrote: »

And you actually believe you are setting the record straight? No wonder He wept.

Well very few posters are criticising horseshỉt like the below.

I firmly believe Donald Trump is a narcissistic sociopath. I firmly believe he has surrounded himself with power hungry, right-wing lapdogs. I believe he is going to fill the military structure, courts and government with similar types.

More than anything, I believe there is not a hope in hell of a peaceful transition of power should Trump lose the 2020 election.

Yeah, I'm sure that statement will be laughed at and scoffed but Germany proved no nation is too entrenched in values to go the complete opposite way.

A narcissistic sociopath surrounded by sycophants with the strong support of the military is a dangerous individual.

The GOP can't (and won't) check Trump. The Democrats can't do it.

Do you agree with wonderfullife's version of reality?

ECO_Mental · 22-01-2017 09:25AM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And it looks like the TPP is gone. My selfish reason for wanting Trump to win.. My 26-year-old Vietnamese girlfriend, who is on five different tablets every day for the rest of her life for Lupus Nephritis won't get stung here with higher prices and a bigger delay for generics.

Every cloud and all that.

I feel for your girlfriend and something needs to be done about drug prices. But you do know more than likely that it will be American pharma that will be effected and job losses to China in making these generics. "Oh have a massive tax on the generic meds" I hear you say

Again you need to understand that there will be lost revenue for the pharma industry and it costs hundreds of millions to develop new drugs. If they don't have this revenue then that will mean lost high paying jobs for scientists, engineers etc also no new drugs....

The world economy is complex and intertwined and a simpleton like trumpski obviously doesn't understand. Moving low paying jobs from Mexico (high paying for them) will result in them buying less iPhones etc

InTheTrees · 22-01-2017 09:45AM

Apparently trumps tirades against Mexico is having a real impact on the value of the peso. It's dropping.
Which will probably mean even more illegals crossing the border into the USA.

22-01-2017 09:53AM

ECO_Mental wrote: »

I feel for your girlfriend and something needs to be done about drug prices. But you do know more than likely that it will be American pharma that will be effected and job losses to China in making these generics. "Oh have a massive tax on the generic meds" I hear you say

Again you need to understand that there will be lost revenue for the pharma industry and it costs hundreds of millions to develop new drugs. If they don't have this revenue then that will mean lost high paying jobs for scientists, engineers etc also no new drugs....

The world economy is complex and intertwined and a simpleton like trumpski obviously doesn't understand. Moving low paying jobs from Mexico (high paying for them) will result in them buying less iPhones etc

There won't be lost revenue for the pharma industry.. There just won't be increased revenue from the TPP.

I understand perfectly well that drugs are expensive to manufacture.. Which is why there's only been one medication ever developed specifically for my girlfriend's disease. It costs $30,000 / year. I refuse to even entertain the idea that it not being made generic later will lose that company a lot of money. She makes a decent salary here at $2 / hour. She isn't and never will be the target market.

I think I'm perfectly entitled to feel pleased that the lack of the TPP will have a significant positive impact on our lives over the next 60 years. Long after Trump is a footnote in history, I will still be happy with him cancelling the TPP.

And anyways, pharma companies will always be ok when they can scheme with organisations like the Clinton Health Access Initiative to maintain high prices in America for diseases like AIDs. I have zero sympathy for them.

Galwayguy35 · 22-01-2017 10:18AM

Madonna tells the President of the US to "suck a dick" at one of the protests yesterday and gets a round of applause for it.

More classy behavior from the left.

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