Hail To The Chief (Read Mod Warning In OP)

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

Is that not just expressing an opinion too?

Good point.

My point however is that it is far more dangerous to support violent suppression of speech, than to support someone's right to speech.

super_furry wrote: »

So he's a 'single Nazi' 'but I'm not a singular person when I think that sometimes when people get punched they deserve it.

Seems like again, you're trying to ascribe me and position me among a certain group of people. And at the same time ignoring the fact that Richard Spencer is not a single Nazi and instead the spokesman for a growing facist movement.

I'm including you in the many people who condone the violence.

You are supporting a society whereby Richard Spencer or someone else can walk up to you on the street and punch you because they don't like what you have to say. Which is fine. But it sounds like a pretty sh*tty and undemocratic place to me.

I'll still be here defending your right to express an opinion without being punched in the face when it happens!

super_furry wrote: »

How many people would have said the same in Germany in the 30s? I mean these are literal Nazis we're talking about.

And there's certainly more chance of that happening than me saying he deserved a dig, to leading to the downfall of democracy

The Nazis didn't come to power democratically!

What you are condoning IS undemocratic. Most rights are taken away under the moral justification of it being right.

super_furry wrote: »

You know what. If my actions - not my views - but my actions and stated goals involve trying to bring about the ethnic cleansing of everyone but one specific race of people, then I totally deserve a dig in the head.

Not sure where you're getting the Marxist and Communism stuff from. I just think that sometimes, Nazi's deserve it if they're punched.

People like you are responsible for suppression of ideas and speech, people like you actually made Donald Trump President with your actions, all it takes to be labelled a nazi these days is to disagree with leftist ideas or wanting to preserve your peoples traditions and culture, you know what happens when you brand people as racists, nazis (and the new one climate denier) etc endlessly just like has been happening across the US and EU for years.

You eventually get a push back, Brexit was the first push back, Trump was another, Le Pen will be another, Wilders another and Fruake yet another. Anybody with a working brain, eyes and ears can witness what the left have been doing for decades, creating a totalitarian system throughout the western world in which words, ideas and speech can land you in jail or cause you to lose your job and then people commit violence against you.

Will you still think it ok to commit violence against people you disagree with? Or will it be different if you're on the receiving end from others who don't like your views, ideas or speech? You reap what you sow.

When people look into and see how hopeless their side is, I don't know how they can be so angry at the other side.

Some analysis of trumps inaugural speech is showing passages lifted from the film Avatar, Bee Movie and The Dark Knight Rises.

Setting the tone of incompetence for the next four years.

beercr8te wrote: »

People like you are responsible for suppression of ideas and speech, people like you actually made Donald Trump President with your actions, all it takes to be labelled a nazi these days is to disagree with leftist ideas or wanting to preserve your peoples traditions and culture, you know what happens when you brand people as racists, nazis (and the new one climate denier) etc endlessly just like has been happening across the US and EU for years.

You eventually get a push back, Brexit was the first push back, Trump was another, Le Pen will be another, Wilders another and Fruake yet another. Anybody with a working brain, eyes and ears can witness what the left have been doing for decades, creating a totalitarian system throughout the western world in which words, ideas and speech can land you in jail or cause you to lose your job and then people commit violence against you.

Will you still think it ok to commit violence against people you disagree with? Or will it be different if you're on the receiving end from others who don't like your views, ideas or speech? You reap what you sow.

My actions led to Trump being elected? I said I have no problem with a new-Nazi getting a dig in the head a month after Trump was elected and that got him elected. Is this a time travel thing?

I'm calling Richard Spencer a Nazi because well he's a Nazi. He wants to ethnically cleanse all non-white people from the US.

Not sure where you're going with the climate denier thing, you sure you don't want to throw flat earthers in there too?

And where exactly are these totalitarian left states? Are they part of that time travel thing.

Galway_Old_Man wrote: »

How do the posters here (the ones who advocate violence) feel about this one?

https://twitter.com/AJVicens/status/822579602719707140

Or this?

https://twitter.com/SuzannePhan/status/822655469386891265

Billy86's response to this post will be "I'm against violence but"

super_furry wrote:

Both instances are really scummy, particularly the one with the fire extinguisher.

There's quite a bit of righteous indignation flying your way. I'm of the mind, as I'm sure you were, that violence should always be the last resort. However, if punches are being thrown for whatever reason, I'd rather a Nazi got a box than a little old lady. It's the natural order of things.

doxy wrote: »

Why are they playing the British national anthem at the inauguration mass?

Was it "My Country 'tis of Thee": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sN2I6vdzgts

Igotadose wrote: »

Provocateurs the lot of 'em paid for by Putin. Alex Jones told me so.

Yes that fire extinguisher looks Russian made sneaky feckers

super_furry wrote: »

This thread is getting weird but I'm genuinely surprised so many people are upset over a Nazi getting a dig.

Maybe I'm the weird one but sometimes Ijust see someone getting a slap and think, 'yeah, he deserved that'.

People are not necessarily upset over a Nazi getting a dig. People are upset that so many other people see nothing wrong with it.

And if you do not understand the difference there is no point continuing the discussion because it has been explained ad nauseam.