Handing in Notice

54and56 · 21-01-2017 12:28AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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Said with total unfounded certainty :rolleyes:

Anytime I've seen someone fired they've had the terms of their contract respected. It's not worth the grief not to.

Set your own standards, don't assume others have low standards which you should stoop to.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-01-2017 12:31AM

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Glen_Quagmire · 21-01-2017 12:33AM

I plan to honour whatever notice period I am required to give as who knows I may end up working at this company again or with yne people in it as Ireland is a small country.

Can anyone advise if I am actually "out" of my probation because of the fact that I've passed the 6 months mark?

My contract says 6 months probation which may be extended but doesn't mention anything about the process of being kept on after probation

bucketybuck · 21-01-2017 12:34AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

If they do you just have to honour your commitment and fulfil your full termination period.

No, he/she does not.

bucketybuck · 21-01-2017 12:36AM

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

I plan to honour whatever notice period I am required to give.

Can anyone advise if I am actually "out" of my probation because of the fact that I've passed the 6 months mark?

My contract says 6 months probation which may be extended but doesn't mention anything about the process of being kept on after probation

Your current employer should already have discussed this with you, and it all depends on your contract and the type of company you work for so people on here can give you limited advice regarding it.

But to be honest I don't think you should focus too much on it, it isn't as important as you think. Like the first responses said, right now you should sit tight and wait for your contract, and when it arrives make your decision then.

54and56 · 21-01-2017 12:58AM

Patww79 wrote: »

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You should and your new employer definitely will. If you don't honour the commitments you made to your old employer what do you think that says about you to your new employer?

If you're interested in having a career or establishing a name for yourself in a particular field don't follow the advice.

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, he/she does not.

@bucketybuck, why do you think an employee doesn't have to honour the contractual commitments they gave their employer?

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-01-2017 01:04AM

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bucketybuck · 21-01-2017 01:15AM

Je_suis_Jean wrote: »

@bucketybuck, why do you think an employee doesn't have to honour the contractual commitments they gave their employer?

Because its a fact, if he doesn't want to he doesn't have to and there nothing the employer can do about it beyond be annoyed and deny references.

The OP absolutely should be honoring commitments but only when doing so does not jeopardise his new position. Preaching that he should serve his full notice no matter what is a nice thought but in the real world the OP needs to do what is best for him first and his old employer a distant second.

Tell me how · 21-01-2017 01:22AM

bucketybuck wrote:

The OP absolutely should be honoring commitments but only when doing so does not jeopardise his new position. Preaching that he should serve his full notice no matter what is a nice thought but in the real world the OP needs to do what is best for him first and his old employer a distant second.

So what happens if they hand in their notice and are waiting on a contract and next thing they're told the position is being reviewed?

You'd be very naive if you think such a thing couldn't happen.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-01-2017 01:25AM

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Tell me how · 21-01-2017 01:30AM

Patww79 wrote:

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Yeah, that's essentially just burning bridges. Not just with the company but your mates/colleagues who you may have put under pressure by not allowing sufficient time to complete/handover work correctly.

Certainly, ask the current company do they want you to work the notice but, personally, I would aim to leave on good terms.

Over 10% of the staff in the company I currently work in (over 100 staff) are ones who worked there before, left and are back a few years later.

bucketybuck · 21-01-2017 02:10AM

Tell me how wrote: »

So what happens if they hand in their notice and are waiting on a contract and next thing they're told the position is being reviewed?

You'd be very naive if you think such a thing couldn't happen.

And? Why tell me this?

Tell me how wrote: »

Yeah, that's essentially just burning bridges. Not just with the company but your mates/colleagues who you may have put under pressure by not allowing sufficient time to complete/handover work correctly.

Certainly, ask the current company do they want you to work the notice but, personally, I would aim to leave on good terms.

Over 10% of the staff in the company I currently work in (over 100 staff) are ones who worked there before, left and are back a few years later.

I'm not sure of your point here, you seem to want to have things both ways?

Tell me how · 21-01-2017 08:48AM

bucketybuck wrote:

I'm not sure of your point here, you seem to want to have things both ways?

I don't think it's that difficult to understand my point.

If it suits your current company for you to leave..... say they have reduced workload and are struggling to find work for the staff they will have remaining then they might prefer/agree that you leave immediately but I am suggesting trying to leave on good terms and if that means working out your notice (which it usually would) then I recommend the person leaving does that.

Glen_Quagmire · 21-01-2017 09:17AM

One other thing, I carried over a few days holidays from last year which I did not use which is allowed by company policy. Do I get paid for these holidays when I leave or how does that work?

ezra_ · 21-01-2017 09:35AM

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

One other thing, I carried over a few days holidays from last year which I did not use which is allowed by company policy. Do I get paid for these holidays when I leave or how does that work?

Yes, you get paid for unused holiday time.
However, some companies will insist that you use it before you leave.
So if you have had say 5 days carried over and you had 1 day accrued this year, they'd make you take the 6 days off during your notice period.

If you just walk, and ignore notice period, you probably won't get comped for unused holiday time.

Glen_Quagmire · 21-01-2017 09:47AM

ezra_ wrote:

Yes, you get paid for unused holiday time. However, some companies will insist that you use it before you leave. So if you have had say 5 days carried over and you had 1 day accrued this year, they'd make you take the 6 days off during your notice period.

So for example if my notice was 4 weeks and I wanted to go in 3 weeks I could use the 5 days holiday as the 4th week?

ezra_ · 21-01-2017 10:33AM

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

So for example if my notice was 4 weeks and I wanted to go in 3 weeks I could use the 5 days holiday as the 4th week?

If the company is happy for you to do that, then yes.

pauliebdub · 21-01-2017 02:02PM

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Only if the job is dependant on a reference from the old employer. The new employer wouldn't even be any the wiser otherwise.

You'd be surprised. Dublin is a small place especially if you work in a niche field. A bad reputation can stick.

bucketybuck · 21-01-2017 02:18PM

Tell me how wrote: »

but I am suggesting trying to leave on good terms and if that means working out your notice (which it usually would) then I recommend the person leaving does that.

And I am saying that while leaving on good terms would be preferable it does not take precedent over starting on good terms with his new company.

For the OP the single most important thing is firstly ensuring he has a new job and secondly ensuring that he starts that job well, beginning with starting on the agreed date.

If the notice period for his old company is incompatible with either of those then there is only one option for the OP.

By the way, professional reputation is important but people can be chicken little about it as well, a lot of people overstate this "small country" crap. Be aware of the concept but don't let it dominate your thinking.

Glen_Quagmire · 21-01-2017 02:57PM

Mr.S wrote:

OP just tell new company that your waiting for a contract before giving notice to your current employer, and tell them your current employer requires 4 weeks notice - which is standard procedure for any company and shouldn't impact you negatively. As a MNC, they would expect this almost.

I have done just that and the response was that the contract is being done up and will be with me soon. I don't really want to press HR any further as I may come off badly.

I'm still thinking about the fact I am literally just out of probation, with regard to time served with no formal discussions with my employer to say my probation has finished and I am being made permanent and how thar effects the 1 week and 4 weeks notice required as per the contract

54and56 · 21-01-2017 03:45PM

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

I am literally just out of probation

Therefore you are out of probation. You can't be a little bit in probation just as you can't be a little bit pregnant.

Glen_Quagmire wrote: »

with no formal discussions with my employer to say my probation has finished

No formal discussions needed. Your contract specifies a period of probation. When that period has elapsed you are no longer in probation, no discussion required.

54and56 · 21-01-2017 11:02PM

Mr.S wrote: »

You won't come off badly if you just point out that the start date will need need to pushed back as your current employer needs 4 weeks notice and you are not in a position to give notice until you sign the contract.

This is very standard stuff and the HR dept will know why are you are doing this.

It would only be an issue if the job required an immediate start and you had agreed to this during the interview stages.

I'd sit tight, sign the contract when it comes in, give notice that same day and see what your current employer says in terms of working out your notice, as you are there fairy short, they might not need you to work the full notice.

Exactly. Be professional, your current employer will appreciate it and won't have a negative impression to base a reference on for future jobs you may seek after this new one, your new employer will 100% understand that you have to honour the contractual commitments you are bound by (just as they will want you to honour the commitments you give them) and you can't hand your notice in until you've gotten a binding contract from them and you'll feel better in yourself that you did the right thing.

Treat others as you'd like to be treated yourself and you won't go too far wrong in life!! (and I'm not at all religious, quite the opposite!)

Handing in Notice

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